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Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Ramadu posted:

Also what the hell is going on in that picture in the op? Why are there 2 godzilla tails?

There's only one tail, it just wraps completely around Godzilla.

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Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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I read that as Crustaceous King Ghidorah and imagined some kind of three headed alien Baltan.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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david_a posted:

His appearance and ponderous movement remind me of a lava flow. Slowly and inevitably creepy forward, demolishing everything in its path, unstoppable by conventional means.

His new design is also very evocative of a lava flow. Compare his cracked and hosed up skin to this:

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Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Gen Urobuchi's Godzilla will undoubtedly be a trip.

I don't know what the odds are I'll enjoy it, but it'll be a trip.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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I'm in the middle of upstate New York, so I'll guess I'll wait for the blu-ray.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Oh, it's showing in Syracuse. That's not too bad!

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Nice fuckin 2XSAI emulator filter on the classic Disney cartoon.

Didn't Disney also saw off the top and bottom of the picture to make it widescreen?

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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mandatory lesbian posted:

so like, does it literally play evangelion music are are y'all being hyberbolic, watching godzilla burn people to the tune of Cruel Angel's Thesis is totes something i want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0DayCP5Q60

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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The scene where proto-Godzilla finally stands up is an incredible moment.

Before, things were disastrous, but there was also this sense of nervous uncertainty at just how surreal things were. Afterwards, there is no more uncertainty. Surrealism gives way to terror.

Absolutely awesome, in all senses of the word.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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BattleTech posted:

Like when they're celebrating in the office because they think they found a way to fight him, you could slowly pan over to a window and tilt down and look at all of the destruction and death Godzilla has caused, it would have been a great juxtaposition of scenes.

That would have been pretty crass.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Choco1980 posted:

Also, for the record, I never watched Eva, but from what I've heard, most of the "ideas" were improvised off the cuff, and the creators have all admitted they were making stuff up on the fly with zero research or knowledge of the subject matter, because it sounded cool to them.

There are a few religious terms and imagery that are used haphazardly (and which is the source of the "we did it because it sounded cool" quote) but it isn't really a problem because it isn't a show about religion.

More than anything, Evangelion borrows from Ultraman, which has ties to Godzilla. (Eiji Tsuburaya was one of the cocreators of Godzilla, and later started the Tsuburaya Productions studio that produced Ultraman.)

Choco1980 posted:

Oh, sidenote, I forgot to look...how many toes does Shin Goji have?

I don't recall off hand, but you do get a pretty prominent look at his foot.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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jivjov posted:

I think there's room in between "static camera shots" and "the camera is always moving"

There's a time and a place for both, which Shin Godzilla seems to understand.

There are several found footage shots. The film is absolutely willing to wave the camera around when appropriate to do so.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Al-Saqr posted:

The American ambassador though was really super bad and I'm surprised they didn't bother making a couple of phone calls to an LA talent agency to find an American Japanese person to spare us that horrible English. You could feel the enthusiasm leave the room whenever she was on screen.

Her English was bad but that aside she was fantastic.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

The bureaucracy's obsession with formality and legality is demonstrative of an unhealthy fear of self-determination borne from the hubris of 1941, and is is rectified by an honest reckoning with the past that necessarily destroys the entire current power structure.

On that note, "do what you will" is a such a great line. in this regard, since it's a call for the government to take responsibility. No one else is going to tell them how to respond. They're absolutely free to decide on their own how best to handle that situation, and that freedom is terrifying.

It could also be a taunt: go ahead, give Godzilla your best shot!

Finally, it's suiting last words (quoting occultist Aleister Crowley) to have before summoning a demon.

resurgam40 posted:

And if he is destroyer, well... he was always meant to be the Nuclear Problem personified, and therefore can never be truly destroyed any more than Oppenheimer can unsplit the atom and undo Trinity. The genie is out of the bottle now, and our destiny forever after is to either live with him... or die with him.

Mankind must learn to coexist with Godzilla.

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Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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david_a posted:

One question I had from the epilogue: they mention something about the Godzilla particle having a really short half-life so it would be gone in two years. Was that just the radiation or is it for the big guy himself? Will he melt away or are they stuck with a giant frozen Godzilla statue forever?

I think that was just the radiation from Godzilla. Compare it to the Fukushima Daiichi disaster a few years ago, where residents of Fukushima are still not able (or, at least, aren't advised) to return to their homes.

Godzilla itself doesn't seem like it's going anywhere, though.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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david_a posted:

That's actually a more satisfying way to think of it - it's a super goofy specific power he developed for a very specific threat. It fits in with the mini-monsters on the tail too. Those pesky humans seem to be able to incapacitate a single large organism, so try breaking up into a swarm of smaller critters instead. Did he have the tail laser in the first fight or was it only the last one?

Only the last one.

During the final shot of the tail, you see that the tip of the tail has become a tiny (comparatively) Godzilla head.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Raxivace posted:

The paper crane at the bottom is a super dope touch.

I'm a fan of the people on the tip of the tail reaching toward heaven.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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zenintrude posted:

I really liked the movie but I kinda wish the filmmakers had the balls to never show Godzilla and instead have the entire film set in conference rooms. That would have been amazing.

I'd leave in the scenes where 1) the politicians are watching Godzilla through the TV, and 2) when the politicians are observing Godzilla directly.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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I was recently linked to an article that quotes Hideaki Anno (the director of Shin Godzilla) and I think it might be pertinent.

The Atlantic posted:

Anno understands the Japanese national attraction to characters like Rei [a character from Evangelion] as the product of a stunted imaginative landscape born of Japan’s defeat in the Second World War. “Japan lost the war to the Americans,” he explains, seeming interested in his own words for the first time during our interview. “Since that time, the education we received is not one that creates adults. Even for us, people in their 40s, and for the generation older than me, in their 50s and 60s, there’s no reasonable model of what an adult should be like.” The theory that Japan’s defeat stripped the country of its independence and led to the creation of a nation of permanent children, weaklings forced to live under the protection of the American Big Daddy, is widely shared by artists and intellectuals in Japan. It is also a staple of popular cartoons, many of which feature a well-meaning government that turns out to be a facade concealing sinister and more powerful forces.

Anno pauses for a moment, and gives a dark-browed stare out the window. “I don’t see any adults here in Japan,” he says, with a shrug. “The fact that you see salarymen reading manga and pornography on the trains and being unafraid, unashamed or anything, is something you wouldn’t have seen 30 years ago, with people who grew up under a different system of government. They would have been far too embarrassed to open a book of cartoons or dirty pictures on a train. But that’s what we have now in Japan. We are a country of children.”

The post war period never ends.

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Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Yoshifan823 posted:

That said, is Eva really a Star Wars level phenomenon over there? I watched the show when I was in junior high and still have some interest in it (watching End of Evangelion was a somewhat formative moment in my adolescence), but I didn't think it was on that level.

I'm not quite comfortable saying it was a "Star Wars level phenomenon" simply because I'm not sure how you'd go about measuring that, but it was certainly tremendously successful and influential, and remains one of the most valuable anime marketing properties to this day.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Gozinbulx posted:

all the machinations and play by play of the international side of things. OBVIOUSLY the theme of Japans relation to the rest of the world and especially the US in regards to its sovereignty/self defense is a huge part of this story, but it didn't need to be quite so long winded and shown on screen. Every scene where an american pol/military talks on an airplane or staring out of a window could have been axed. And not just cause the actors were terrible, but because they added jack poo poo to the story. Ultimately, I don't even really know why Kayoco Patterson even needed to be in the movie, but if she did, she definitely did not need as much screen time/awful english time, as she did. All of that plot could have been just as impactful and significant in half the words/runtime as it was.

I disagree quite heavily that Kayoco Patterson was unnecessary to the movie. The character provides a very necessary contrast to the timid Japanese bureaucrats.

In regards to the actress Satomi Ishihara herself, her English may have been bad but her acting was fine. To be honest, I'm a little astonished every time someone says otherwise.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Hollismason posted:

I enjoyed the film first Japanese Godzilla Film I've seen. I have may have missed some subtext but I can see where people would be critical of the nationalistic , fascist, antiglobalism message this film kind of has.

Godzilla is only defeated through the cooperation of several nations, including Germany, France and America. How is that antiglobalist?

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Hollismason posted:

Like it was all that one woman's plan because she literally went against the USA wishes. That's why the guy is like " Oh if you gently caress this up it's going to totally ruin your career" and they she is all " gently caress that my Grandmother was at Hiroshima, My Ancient Homeland! It was only when all the Japanese companies pulled together. I mean the US team even just bailed the gently caress out and obviously knew what was going on and it's implied they hid it because it may be a source of energy . Like the USA and Japan do not "stand together " in that film. The Japanese American woman feels the call of her homeland and instead helps Japan.

She didn't go against the American government's wishes--she went against the American public's wishes. She didn't choose to help her "Ancient Homeland" at the expense of America, she chose to take what she felt was the most responsible action as an American politician rather than the politically safe one. The American President actually backs her decision.

The US also doesn't bail, they contribute needed supplies and operatives. The US absolutely stands together with Japan in their effort to stop Godzilla. The US doesn't actually want to nuke Tokyo, but as Godzilla is a global threat they maintain that final resort.

The film isn't about Japan telling the UN and America to gently caress off--it's about Japan moving past a dependence on the US and taking a role (and accepting responsibility) as an political partner.


Terrible Opinions posted:

It seemed about as nationalist as Independence Day. Lip service to international cooperation but you always know who the "real" heroes are.

Absolutely, it's all the Germans who bravely overcome their fear of having their data stolen.

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Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Shin 神 can also mean god or spirit, as in the Japanese religious Shinto.

It's definitely no accident that it's written phonetically, but I don't think it's meant to a jokey pun so much as being purposely ambiguous.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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The Godzilla toy you've all (or, at least I, myself) have been waiting for finally exists!

Shin Godzilla spoilers:



http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10388743
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10388744

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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ACES CURE PLANES posted:

You kid, but I'd love one of those.

I absolute do not kid.

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

Actually, no, I'd love a plush toy of the first form that has a little motor inside it that you can turn on to let it flop around. It'd be adorable and I'd buy ten.

I would buy this as well.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Tommy 2.0 posted:

drat, those are good. People in my theater first laughed when G was revealed (me included) but I started to really REALLY be creeped out by him.

The scene where goofzilla first stands up is one of the most powerful and disturbing in the film. Just a small change in posture and perspective changed the monster from a silly (if unnerving) frog muppet to something truly strange nd terrifying. It's spectacular!

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Ramadu posted:

I mean, were they really trying to make me laugh at his goofy rear end face as he flopped about out of the river? Were they trying to make me laugh as his back shot off poit defense lasers? If so, mission freaking accomplished because I was dying with laughter at 4 in the morning at it.

Certainly to the first, probably on the second. Godzilla has frequently been a little goofy.

I found "fresh from the river" Godzilla to be sincerely unnerving, even as goofy as he was.

Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Dec 12, 2016

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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PriorMarcus posted:

Actually my understanding is that loving up Rogue One and leading to extensive reshoots where he had to have a babysitter on set killed Legendary's enthusiasm for working with Edwards again, especially given Godzilla's mediocre reception.

Wait, how was Rogue One hosed up?

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

Eco Fucker is def one of my least favorite kaiju

Yeah, but their first album was pretty solid.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

05-1999 United States, New York-Boston area witnessed the appearance of the first of the giant organisms [Kaiju] named: Kamacuras. Estimated number of casualties: 2.5 million people.

One year after the release of the American Godzilla.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

Some entries seem to be allusions to other things as well. Like the 2017 one feels like a nod to Pacific Rim or Godzilla making his fist appearance on San Francisco.

The story is very similar to Pacific Rim, complete with building a wall to contain the kaiju.

Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jun 30, 2017

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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mllaneza posted:

I'd compare Skull Island to Aliens.

They're both films that reference Them (1954).

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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It's drat near a perfect film.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Lord Krangdar posted:

I read somewhere there were two cuts of Shin Godzilla, with one being truncated for Western audiences. Is the Blu-ray confirmed to be the full cut?

I've heard that a truncated cut of the film exists, but I don't think it had anything to do with the Western audience.

At least, the cut I saw in theater (Syracuse, NY) contained every scene that was supposedly removed.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Lord Krangdar posted:

Oh, I thought the shorter cut removed the parts that most heavily referenced Japanese politics (which is nuts because that's the topic of the whole film).

From what I understand most the omitted scenes were mostly politics, however this wasn't for the benefit of Western audiences but to make the film short enough to run during an airplane trip.

If you saw the scene where the Prime Minister complains about his noodles, you watched the full cut.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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I can't believe the poor people of Tokyo will have to live beside and navigate around a giant, petrified Godzilla for nearly a decade to come. What a preposterous inconvenience for them.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Burkion posted:

Really guys, you missed the Godzilla Hotel joke here?


I'm disappoint

I'm going to need some education about this.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Godzilla is a literal congregation.

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Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

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Vintersorg posted:

Oh man, a stand alone Ghidorah movie could be so good in the right hands. A menace from outer-space just loving things up. Not sure how you'd end it tho...

He fucks off after ruining stuff?

Ghidorah wrecking the world is only act 1.

In act 2, a pair of shady space men announce that they have some friendly kaiju that can chase Ghidorah off, and would be willing to part with them for the right price.

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