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TGLT posted:Bridget's in game bio uses she/her and people who are talking about UH WELL ONLY ONE ENDING SHE SAYS SHE'S A GIRL are desperate morons grasping at straws. A bunch of them are also pulling 'but the Japanese bio says Bridget's a boy' while completely missing, willingly or not, that Japanese (and other Asian languages the game's translated into, like Korean) doesn't really have gendered pronouns, all gender is implied, which the machine translation they tend to rely on to prove their point isn't really very good at understanding. It's generally not all that fun to report on 'Here's How The Bigots Are Spinning This', but this one I think is genuinely interesting and something to learn from. I'm really thankful Testament came out first, just because they were a goddamn crash course in Japanese non-binary representation and depiction, including with such things as pronoun selection.
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Aug 10, 2022 16:38
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Does the other ending say Bridget is a boy or something? I don't really see how "this one doesn't say she's a girl, therefore she's a boy" makes sense. It'd be like if one of Nagoriyuki's endings had him sucking blood from someone's neck and the other had him reading a book, and the latter was used as evidence he wasn't a vampire.
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Aug 10, 2022 16:46
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The dumbest thing is the whole enphasis on "it's a bad ending!" when someone actually compared it with Baiken's arcade mode and it turns out that Baiken's endigs also all cover the same themes, some detailing more than others. From what I saw there's no "bad end" and "true end", that's just people considering the Extreme ending to be the only valid one because it's the hardest. Sadly the post detailing that got deleted because you know, this whole situation is a loving mess thanks to the sheer quantity of transphobia.
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Aug 10, 2022 16:47
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i think it's only a mess if you look specifically at the people and places dedicated to making a mess out of it and anything representation related in general
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Aug 10, 2022 16:48
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Countblanc posted:Does the other ending say Bridget is a boy or something? I don't really see how "this one doesn't say she's a girl, therefore she's a boy" makes sense. It'd be like if one of Nagoriyuki's endings had him sucking blood from someone's neck and the other had him reading a book, and the latter was used as evidence he wasn't a vampire. the flawless run ending has bridget asking ky advice for coming out, so
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Aug 10, 2022 16:49
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Coming out as a gearfucker!! NOT gay!! I don't know what subtext is
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Aug 10, 2022 16:53
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Some people are going full mental gymnastics that the Extreme ending is actually "Bridget asking for adivce to stand up to Bridget's village and openly present as a boy!" which just shows the leaps some people will make just to stay bigoted.
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Aug 10, 2022 16:53
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Countblanc posted:Does the other ending say Bridget is a boy or something? I don't really see how "this one doesn't say she's a girl, therefore she's a boy" makes sense. You are not missing anything! That argument is in fact complete bullshit. I’m still holding out hope that Arcsys will step in and continue to affirm it in no uncertain language, but I don’t exactly expect them to do so.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:01
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I dont play arcade mode usually and am shocked that people not only do, but also read everything while doing it.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:02
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Know what would be really controversial? Putting Zappa in Strive...please
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Aug 10, 2022 17:03
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Brought To You By posted:Know what would be really controversial? Putting Zappa in Strive...please Zappa's gender changes randomly.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:09
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Pollyanna posted:You are not missing anything! That argument is in fact complete bullshit. I believe Daisuke did clarify things regarding Testament (I mostly remember the explanation being explained as 'Japan has five different types of non-binary gender presentation, Testament's moved from one to another'), so it wouldn't be weird to see him actually make a statement that clarifies things, even if indirectly. It's just been... what, two, three days? Not a lot of time for any statements to be made.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:15
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Your lives would improve if you did not engage at all with the people being stupid about this.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:19
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chumbler posted:Your lives would improve if you did not engage at all with the people being stupid about this. But someone is wrong on the internet.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:24
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Saoshyant posted:This Dickinson fellow offers good advice, not gonna lie. I was having a discussion on Goldlewis of all people being the person to help Bridget come out, and I can't decide if it's a joke (the hyper masculine guy that styles himself on a notoriously conservative and queer-phobic American region helping someone come to terms with their identity), an attempt to expand an underdeveloped character and their backstory, or a simply a "who's the daddest guy we got to parent this kid?" thing. I don't want/think it's the first, because it seems to be played way too straight for that, and I don't necessarily expect a Japanese development team to know all those nuances of American culture, but there's something hilarious about gendering someone as "cowgirl" or "cowboy". Either way, Goldlewis went from a nothing character to one of my favorites in the cast.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:25
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https://twitter.com/denfaminicogame/status/1556927491649835013?s=20&t=h5dGJ8hGG93PDHK7FmL-Nw The number of people playing Strive on Steam has jumped up five times since Bridget
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Aug 10, 2022 17:25
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I don't necessarily expect a Japanese development team to know all those nuances of American culture, Goldlewis works for the President and his brother owns a hamburger shop, they know everything important.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:27
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Honestly I haven't even seen a single thing except from people saying that someone is complaining. I can't imagine that people can spare the effort to hold onto this when Bridget is basically impossible to distinguish as a male in any sense. Like I'm sure someone is mad but they're probably mad at a lot of things for a lot of reasons, so they aren't gonna say or do anything new. Edit: also ofc player activity is gonna go up. Bridget is a cute. thechosenone fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Aug 10, 2022 |
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Aug 10, 2022 17:28
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The people have spoken and they demand more representation for yoyos.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:36
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A lot of this focus on the complaints and the transphobic poo poo is because so many people care about this, and feel the need to defend her. There is nothing wrong with knowing what is good and true and standing up for it is noble. I won’t stop anyone from fighting for it. Ruminating on the chuds, however, is indulgent and self-destructive. They will always exist, there’s nothing you can do about that. But you can do something about the suffering you feel from seeing and experiencing this hate and resentment. Don’t go Twitter diving - it’s just going to make you feel worse. The best thing to do, in my opinion? Drown it out. Retweet fan art, share stories of self-discovery, express effusive praise for this unambiguously good development. That’s a positive thing and it is always worth it to bring good into the world.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:37
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I mean, I don't interact or argue with those. I sadly have a terminal disease that makes me go read drama wven when it's bad for me. See: me everytime I read QCS.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:40
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We need a stance character like Lei Wulong or Street Fighter's Gen but every stance is a different gender.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:40
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:I mean, I don't interact or argue with those. I sadly have a terminal disease that makes me go read drama wven when it's bad for me. See: me everytime I read QCS. Does it really make you happy?
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Aug 10, 2022 17:43
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thechosenone posted:Honestly I haven't even seen a single thing except from people saying that someone is complaining. I can't imagine that people can spare the effort to hold onto this when Bridget is basically impossible to distinguish as a male in any sense. I mean, you can just look at the comment section of a YouTube video to start seeing multiple examples for yourself But overall, nah, Daisuke doesn’t have to explain poo poo beyond what is already super obvious in the game itself and chuds can continue to seethe
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Aug 10, 2022 17:43
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Jack Trades posted:We need a stance character like Lei Wulong or Street Fighter's Gen but every stance is a different gender. Leo already exists.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:44
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Potsticker posted:Teppu owns. Fantastic read.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:45
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Real hurthling! posted:Leo already exists. Leo exists in a gender superposition
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Aug 10, 2022 17:48
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Jack Trades posted:We need a stance character like Lei Wulong or Street Fighter's Gen but every stance is a different gender. I too want Zappa back.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:53
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does kum haehyun count as a drag king
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Aug 10, 2022 17:54
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:does kum haehyun count as a drag king Depends on whether the old man counts as a vehicle or a costume.
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Aug 10, 2022 17:56
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They should make a rupauls drag race where all the costumes are mecha
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Aug 10, 2022 17:58
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Cleretic posted:A bunch of them are also pulling 'but the Japanese bio says Bridget's a boy' while completely missing, willingly or not, that Japanese (and other Asian languages the game's translated into, like Korean) doesn't really have gendered pronouns, all gender is implied, which the machine translation they tend to rely on to prove their point isn't really very good at understanding. ive compared the jp and english arcade modes and honestly theres some places where the jp is even more explicit about it, at least in terms of the stereotypical language of trans storytelling in japanese, like talking about her 'heart,' which ties into phrasing like 'body of a man, heart of a woman' that used to be fairly common in jp gender discourse. so yeah, people are just coping hard.
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Aug 10, 2022 18:24
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And they’ll cope forever. Nothing to be done but to defend and advocate for those who are at risk and vulnerable.
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Aug 10, 2022 18:25
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Real hurthling! posted:Leo already exists. Leo's stances aren't genders, they're whether he feels like being a top or a bottom at any given moment
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Aug 10, 2022 18:26
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I mean there's also just, regardless of language, Bridget straight up says the words "I'm a girl." Flat out. I keep tonguing the battery on this poo poo but it's driving me up the wall every time I see those folks trying to deny it. I can't argue but people are wrong on the internet and it's upsetting.
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Aug 10, 2022 18:31
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It is. But they’re not going to change their minds - they know what they are doing and are not acting in good faith. It is not worth spending time on them.
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Aug 10, 2022 18:32
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thechosenone posted:Honestly I haven't even seen a single thing except from people saying that someone is complaining. I can't imagine that people can spare the effort to hold onto this when Bridget is basically impossible to distinguish as a male in any sense. It wasn't that bad on release day but unfortunately the trolling is getting actively worse and more malicious. But whatever - they're wrong and are going to stay wrong. This is basically going to be the new Venom is Gay and Black.
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Aug 10, 2022 18:37
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Endorph posted:the jp bio does use male language for bridget but, in the past tense, in the same places the english bio does: to refer to the objective fact that she was dmab to explain the bit about same-sex twins. Yeah, the bio specifically says "sons," and part of that is that I've noticed, besides explaining Bridget being amab and, is that on the JP side of things that it is more common when referring to oneself in the past as the gender one was identifying as at the time. Contrasting on the EN side where it seems more common that one is referred to by one's preferred current gender identity no matter the context of time. There was a biography of a trans woman in japan whose title escapes me at the moment that I remember highlighted the differing views on terminology. So that might be where there is a slight disconnect in terms of wording. But regardless of all of that, it's very clear that by the end of the story that she wants to be referred to as a woman no matter the language and so female pronouns are appropriate.
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Pollyanna posted:It is. But they’re not going to change their minds - they know what they are doing and are not acting in good faith. It is not worth spending time on them. It's like trying to argue with someone saying fire is wet and cold. You can show them video evidence of fire burning things, you can take them to a fire and show them its hot, you can show them how fire makes water boil and eventually dissolve into steam, and they'll still insist fire is wet and cold. The misunderstanding isn't 'I don't know how fire works but I've heard its like this,' there is a clear intent to disrupt and mislead. Potsticker posted:Yeah, the bio specifically says "sons," and part of that is that I've noticed, besides explaining Bridget being amab and, is that on the JP side of things that it is more common when referring to oneself in the past as the gender one was identifying as at the time. Contrasting on the EN side where it seems more common that one is referred to by one's preferred current gender identity no matter the context of time. There was a biography of a trans woman in japan whose title escapes me at the moment that I remember highlighted the differing views on terminology. So that might be where there is a slight disconnect in terms of wording. But regardless of all of that, it's very clear that by the end of the story that she wants to be referred to as a woman no matter the language and so female pronouns are appropriate. Neither is really right or wrong, it's just a cultural difference in how its viewed. It can sometimes lead to misunderstandings, especially when it comes to concepts like dead names and what contexts they're acceptable in, but in this case it doesn't really change how the story plays out at all.
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