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South Town guy
Jun 5, 2011


Real hurthling! posted:

op, add kof to the upcoming games list

This please - 50 characters is nothing to sneeze at, and the KoF XIII thread hasn't been used in years.

Alfalfa The Roach posted:

I've been on a real SNK fighting game kick lately with King of Fighters XIV on the horizon. I barely have any idea where to start, though I do know that almost everything I would need could be found on Wii Virtual Console (save for things like Garou, KoFXI, CvS2, and KoF98UM). I do have KoFXIII for 360 but I've touched it all of once and don't have any desire to pick it back up unless there's some neat story mode things I could check out (and at this point I would gladly trade in the 360 version for the PS3 version anyways).

Any good SNK fight game suggestions from you guys? Anything from KoF to Fatal Fury is appreciated.

If SNK story stuff interests you, the heart of it is in the Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury games, and the story-relevant chronological order for this is AoF1, 2 and 3, then FF1 (which is overriden by Fatal Fury Wild Ambition, if you can get it), FF2, FF3, Real Bout and Garou. The Last Blade series in is continuity with these BTW.
For KoF it's release order and you can leave out 98, 2002 and XII, with story arcs peaking at 97, 2001 and XIII, although the arc from 99 to 2001 is among the poorest in the series.
Mind you, story relevance doesn't always equate with technical excellence - there's a lot of love for KoFs 98 and 2002 as well as Real Bout 2.

Baal posted:

Don't play Samsho

SS2 is good, even if Ukyo has a reputation for dominating it, and SS5 Special is also pretty well regarded.

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AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

Bear Witness

Reminder, Geese made the deadly rave by dissecting Kyokugen karate but got owned by the ryuuko ranbu anyway

Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~

Baal posted:

KoF02 UM is a fun game with one of my favorite FG characters in it. I recommend playing some of the old rear end Fatal Fury games too even if they're p old, it's always fun to see GEESE's origins.

I'd also recommend Maximum Impact because of how loving stupid it is, but that's not one I'd recommend for anything other than Schadenfreude. Ikari Warriors, Art of Fighting, basically if an old game has characters from later KoF games in it then I'd say play it to at least get familiar with character origins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xOGdVBUGOA

play any snk game on fightcade

not kizuna encounter, that game is loving trash



live picture from fightcade. these people are waiting to play with you!

Zand fucked around with this message at Apr 15, 2016 around 19:02

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA


live singles ready to MIX and FIGHT with you......

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
A > - - -
LR > > - -
LL > - - -


giogadi posted:

Thanks for all the responses about learning Skullgirls. I'm still going through each character's introductions in the tutorial room, but so far I'm most interested in Filia and Cerebella. I haven't tried Fukua yet but if I like her I might replace Filia (Cerebella owns too hard to replace). I think I'll opt for a 2 person team since the assists and such seem to be such a core part of this game.

Filia and Fukua don't play anything at all like each other, but Fukua is incredibly easy to learn and pick up the game with. Filia has a good chance of teaching you bad habits or frustrating you, although it's still very possible to win with her. Bella really shines in duos because she gets a shitload of mileage out of the damage boost over trios. There are lots of viable assist options between the two characters, but what I recommend is to put Bella on Cerecopter for Fukua mixups and then watch footage of dekillsage (the best player in the game; one of his main teams is Fukua/Bella/Double) for Fukua ideas.

dhamster posted:

So if I want to check out Guilty Gear, should I just wait for Revelator to come out in June? I'd get SIGN but I dunno if I want to drop 30 bucks with a new game coming out so soon.

In addition to what has been said about the Revelator demo, it also includes a phenomenal tutorial. They massively improved the tutorial over the Xrd tutorial, which was already pretty good. Just preorder Revelator on PS4 and go ham.

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010


Broken Loose posted:

what I recommend is to put Bella on Cerecopter for Fukua mixups and then watch footage of dekillsage (the best player in the game; one of his main teams is Fukua/Bella/Double) for Fukua ideas.

Uh, no, definitely would reccomend H Lock n Load for Fukua (or filia). Cerecopter is harder to get used to as a new player for mixups, and LnL is already the better assist in most cases + good coverage against other assists anyways. Cerecopter is good for Filia but as a duo LnL is the way to go for the neutral assist. Copter is okay for Fukua but not really the best.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

Bear Witness

Broken Loose posted:

In addition to what has been said about the Revelator demo, it also includes a phenomenal tutorial. They massively improved the tutorial over the Xrd tutorial, which was already pretty good. Just preorder Revelator on PS4 and go ham.

The wording in this is really confusing so let me clarify: the revelator demo does not have a tutorial

dhamster
Aug 5, 2013

I got into my car and ate my chalupa with a feeling of accomplishment.

Oh, wait a sec. I thought Revelator was already out for PS4 and the PC release was in June. Looks like I'll get SIGN on Steam after all, when I get around to it..

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
A > - - -
LR > > - -
LL > - - -


Ventana posted:

Uh, no, definitely would reccomend H Lock n Load for Fukua (or filia). Cerecopter is harder to get used to as a new player for mixups, and LnL is already the better assist in most cases + good coverage against other assists anyways. Cerecopter is good for Filia but as a duo LnL is the way to go for the neutral assist. Copter is okay for Fukua but not really the best.

Fukua doesn't need a neutral assist. Fukua has phenomenal neutral. Copter as a learning tool for the game is a great addition to Fukua because it's intuitive lockdown and you can do shadow/command throw mixups off of it. LnL is a great assist but won't teach this gameplay concept as clearly. Once giogadi is more familiar with the game they can more fully explore options to cover their weak points as a player, whether it's using LnL to aid with zoning or even if it's Excellabella to keep enemies vulnerable to ground-based mixups.

AnonSpore posted:

The wording in this is really confusing so let me clarify: the revelator demo does not have a tutorial

poo poo, really? I thought this was in the demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMH6OABh7bw

mycot
Oct 23, 2014


Broken Loose posted:

poo poo, really? I thought this was in the demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMH6OABh7bw

Nah that's the preview for the full release. The demo has a ugly placeholder menu with "Versus-Training-Episode".

von Braun
Oct 30, 2009


Broder Daniel Forever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jClsVOjKjbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFdAkUqWzXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pq11XPesxo

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club

Lipstick Apathy

Can this thread just be "Post the FGC-est video you got" forever instead of going back to arguing about Smash Bros or whatever?

Content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0HcuDZ98wc

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010




Sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBGVWiP2ls#t=272s

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

I can't find the Jazzy NYC acapella, you know the one

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

It's okay, I found something better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDLdN2KFC3A

Dias
Feb 20, 2011



I SURVIVED THE AWFUL BLOCK, AGDQ 2018


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLFx8uY6GwY

Did this one show up already?

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007



Jmcrofts posted:

Can this thread just be "Post the FGC-est video you got" forever instead of going back to arguing about Smash Bros or whatever?

Yes. Yes it can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anHQWQlAxaw

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

Bear Witness

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.



Watching that live was SO GOOD

Garnavis
Aug 25, 2011

Hey, I calls 'em like I sees 'em! I'm a whale biologist.

interrodactyl posted:

I bet you play box instead of neogeo layout for kof

How do people generally map Neo Geo buttons on an 8-button layout? I've been trying to find a good setup for my HRAP and nothing feels particularly comfortable. Four buttons in one row? A on the bottom for and B/C/D on the top row? Are you supposed to use your thumb for A? I've never used a real Neo Geo cabinet so I'm not sure.

von Braun
Oct 30, 2009


Broder Daniel Forever

pyro <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VprwaMIxxdI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBNC6G776cM

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club

Lipstick Apathy


See my baby girl I'mma have to neglect her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9qgMCwRKRE

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club

Lipstick Apathy

Here's a deep cut. Count the uppercuts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0F_aVAnFU

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

I will become THE PIRATE KING!!!


What the hell am I watching?

LibrarianCroaker
Mar 30, 2010


punk rebel ecks posted:

What the hell am I watching?

full anime

Commissar Ken
Dec 9, 2006

"Children love me, dammit!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_okABO3zY

inthesto
May 12, 2010

There is a point where we needed to stop, and we have clearly passed it.

BUT LET'S KEEP GOING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!


http://playthirdstrike.com/

interrodactyl
Nov 8, 2011

you have no dignity


Garnavis posted:

How do people generally map Neo Geo buttons on an 8-button layout? I've been trying to find a good setup for my HRAP and nothing feels particularly comfortable. Four buttons in one row? A on the bottom for and B/C/D on the top row? Are you supposed to use your thumb for A? I've never used a real Neo Geo cabinet so I'm not sure.

a on bottom left for your thumb, bcd on top row starting from the left

it's an arc for your hands

if your hands are bigger shift bcd over one button i guess

Booyah-
Dec 21, 2004



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42UQy9vNKE

Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~

https://cdn.streamable.com/video/mp4/pmof.mp4

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010


Broken Loose posted:

Fukua doesn't need a neutral assist. Fukua has phenomenal neutral. Copter as a learning tool for the game is a great addition to Fukua because it's intuitive lockdown and you can do shadow/command throw mixups off of it. LnL is a great assist but won't teach this gameplay concept as clearly. Once giogadi is more familiar with the game they can more fully explore options to cover their weak points as a player, whether it's using LnL to aid with zoning or even if it's Excellabella to keep enemies vulnerable to ground-based mixups.


Fukua has good neutral on top level, but for people learning the game, Fukua isn't going to steam roll anything and needs a neutral assist about the same as any other character. Copter isn't a good learning tool because the last hit always makes conversions hard (especially for new players) and mixups in general are harder to grasp for people starting ou because of SG's options. It's a good assist that will end up feeling very meh when they have no concept of when to call assists, and unlike LnL there are a lot less times where you can call copter. LnL is the perfect "call it to keep yourself safe" in almost any situation including mixups cause armor usually blows up most every counter attempt from normal reversals (character dependent) or people mashing on assist so you get the best counter call. You're REALLY overestimating how good cerecopter is as a newbie tool imo, since from my experience trying to use it when I started out or trying to get other new players to use it always lead to people not understanding anything and watching the opponent fly away on the last hit of copter, where as LnL was clearly the assist that just made sense for how good and simple it is.

I would tell people not to use copter in very much the same way I would tell new Parasoul players to *not* convert off of throw with H Bike or tell new Eliza players to use H Servant for the grab despite them being of very great use. While on high level they have very good applications, converting off of them is something that takes a long while to get used to because of how awkward they usually are, and would instead prefer to tell people to use other more simple tools until they have a good grasp of the characters.

Ventana fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2016 around 11:38

StabMasterArson
May 31, 2011



I decided to step my game up and get my first stick (hori rap v3) and try to learn something properly. I was into SFIV but played with a pad, and Capcom are having some hard times making sensible decisions lately so what game should I start with? none of the videos in this thread make any drat sense to me

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.


A stick won't make you a better player. If you've spent your entire life playing on pad, you should probably stick with that.

Also, try Killer Instinct. It is a good and fun game.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011



I SURVIVED THE AWFUL BLOCK, AGDQ 2018


StabMasterArson posted:

I decided to step my game up and get my first stick (hori rap v3) and try to learn something properly. I was into SFIV but played with a pad, and Capcom are having some hard times making sensible decisions lately so what game should I start with? none of the videos in this thread make any drat sense to me

Read the OP!

No, really, Brosnan did a good job adressing your question (and the stick thing too). See what type of game appeals to you and try out one of his suggestions. SFV is the vanilla option - itīs simple, you can find players everywhere and it will teach you the basics of any fighting game.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010


A.o.D. posted:

A stick won't make you a better player. If you've spent your entire life playing on pad, you should probably stick with that.

Also, try Killer Instinct. It is a good and fun game.

I switched from pad to stick cause it helped with RSI

StabMasterArson
May 31, 2011



A.o.D. posted:

A stick won't make you a better player. If you've spent your entire life playing on pad, you should probably stick with that.

Also, try Killer Instinct. It is a good and fun game.

I'm managing to pull off things far more reliably with the stick than the pad, except DPs. I think I do prefer it.
I tried KI but I have no idea how these mechanics work and it feels like we're just trading combos lol

And yeah, I bought and have played a bit of SFV but the netcode is really bad and lacks any real singleplayer so I don't play it much. I tried SF3 on fightcade and got owned

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

I will become THE PIRATE KING!!!

I find stick's to be better with pads as having your fingers hover over a button to press it is faster than using a thumb and shoulder buttons. Though the split micro-second delay in response won't be too hindering if at all. Fighting games aren't like Star Craft where they require godlike reaction time and KPM.

I would at least recommend trying out a stick for a month or so to see how well it fits you.

Safety Scissors
Feb 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Even though I never played in the arcades and mostly used pads or keyboard/mouse all my life, when I started playing SFIV, I found it way easier on stick. The problem is the last console I had that required me to use the d-pad instead of the analog stick was the Super Nintendo. I was not really used to using the d-pad and found analog sticks to be very unreliable in terms of inputs, especially the diagonals. Also if you use them for a while your thumb begins to hurt. I don't think the if you used pad to play video games all your life the stick won't make things better argument is really valid.

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009



the best control method is the one you put effort into learning

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A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.


I'm in a really weird situation with fighting game controls. I grew up with the NES and SNES as my consoles (yes I'm old), so the + pad is what I know best, especially since I played a TON of street fighter on the SNES. I never got into 6th or 7th gen console gaming, so analog sticks are completely alien to me. With motion characters, I do best with something like a fight pad, and basically never use shoulder buttons. Charge characters cause me crippling pain (no I am not kidding) after about 15 minutes on pad, so I have to use a stick to play those. For USF4 I mained Vega, so I used a stick, but for SFV, I switched back to pad because I did better with that. If I end up picking up Guile and he's a charge character, I'll have to switch controllers to play as him. KI doesn't require pad, because there are no charge characters.

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