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computer parts posted:my 5 year old macbook pro still works fine my 4 year old rmbp works fine, but that's a murdered-out configuration
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I welcome an ARM branch of MacOS, as long as they don't gently caress with the proven OSX UI Windows RT could probably have been a moderate success if they didn't force you to use the clown car metro interface and developers could have mostly just recompiled their old win32 stuff, with JIT binary translation for the rest.
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Apr 20, 2016 20:50
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Shaggar posted:the combination of market saturation and the end of moore's law means everyone has and uses their pcs constantly but they don't have a reason to get a new one. maybe intel can pay Microsoft to make windows slower each release the way apple does w/ ios/osx. woah woah poo poo man watch out singed my eyelashes on this hottest of hot takes
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computer parts posted:my 5 year old macbook pro still works fine lie to yourself if you want, but we know the truth
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Apr 20, 2016 20:53
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error1 posted:I welcome an ARM branch of MacOS, as long as they don't gently caress with the proven OSX UI There is absolutely no advantage to porting MacOS X or Windows to ARM for general purpose (i.e. not mobile) computing. ARM is also dogshit slow compared to Intel.
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Apr 20, 2016 21:13
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"I want an ARM iMac!" - guy who likes change for the sake of change
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Apr 20, 2016 21:14
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*posts benchmark of single threaded arm benchmark running slightly faster on arm than x86*
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Apr 20, 2016 21:18
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in a thermally constrained environment Intel and arm are effectively the same performance-wise
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Apr 20, 2016 21:23
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computer parts posted:my 5 year old macbook pro still works fine nice worthless anecdote you worthless little bitch. go post some more in the superman and batman movie thread.
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Apr 20, 2016 21:25
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The Management posted:in a thermally constrained environment Intel and arm are effectively the same performance-wise so what you're saying is intel is equal to arm on phones but then intel is superior everywhere else? makes sense 2 me.
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Apr 20, 2016 21:26
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The Management posted:in a thermally constrained environment Intel and arm are effectively the same performance-wise So, what do we gain from porting Windows and MacOS X to ARM and making it the new desktop standard CPU?
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Apr 20, 2016 21:28
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you would make everything very slow which is how osx users like it.
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Apr 20, 2016 21:29
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Citizen Tayne posted:So, what do we gain from porting Windows and MacOS X to ARM and making it the new desktop standard CPU? battery powered imac 
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Apr 20, 2016 21:30
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the only thing i want thermally constrained is my cock and balls between some hot titties
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Apr 20, 2016 21:31
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it would be like $300 cheaper but wouldn't be able to run any 3rd party software
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Apr 20, 2016 21:33
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nationalize intel
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Apr 20, 2016 21:35
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Bloody posted:idk like on the flipside intel's server business is absolutely bonkers like yeah pc is dead but who cares when you can sell a xeon for $whatever_you_want and guarantee every unit you produce from now until the next rev will be sold virtualization means individual customers are buying way fewer chips than they ever did in the past. they might be doing okay today but the bottom is going to fall out in the server market and arm is going to start creeping in to the low/midrange market 
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Apr 20, 2016 22:15
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Shaggar posted:so what you're saying is intel is equal to arm on phones but then intel is superior everywhere else? makes sense 2 me. no, what I'm saying is that the Intel and arm cores are equal on embedded in terms of raw application processor power. the rest of the Intel chip is still garbage and totally unsuitable for phones. Intel chips are superior in servers for computationally intensive tasks, yes. that's always been true, I don't see why you're surprised. Citizen Tayne posted:So, what do we gain from porting Windows and MacOS X to ARM and making it the new desktop standard CPU? having an ecosystem of chip vendors and foundries that are competing on power, performance, and price, instead of just Intel and its 61% gross margin on chips that barely change year to year and forced market segmentation because they have no competitors.
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The Management posted:having an ecosystem of chip vendors and foundries that are competing on power, performance, and price, instead of just Intel and its 61% gross margin on chips that barely change year to year and forced market segmentation because they have no competitors. Intel is barely changing their chips year to year because they are hitting the limits of physics with current technology, not because of a conspiracy. As far as this "ARM performs as well as Intel," I'd love to see those numbers because I find them very, very hard to believe.
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The Management posted:having an ecosystem of chip vendors and foundries that are competing on power, performance, and price, instead of just Intel and its 61% gross margin on chips that barely change year to year and forced market segmentation because they have no competitors. pffffft yeah right. just admit that what you really want is an excuse to throw out decades of legacy x86 software so that we can all "start fresh" or something
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Apr 20, 2016 22:36
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Citizen Tayne posted:Intel is barely changing their chips year to year because they are hitting the limits of physics with current technology, not because of a conspiracy. what hes saying is if you focus on a few computational tasks that phones do arm can do just as well as intel as long as you do it single threaded and clock the intel chips down to match the thermal output of the arm. likewise arm has no business outside of a phone I don't think anyone is arguing that arm could replace laptop/desktop or server processing.
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Apr 20, 2016 22:36
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maybe they could move to a subscription model
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suffix posted:maybe they could move to a subscription model I dunno if you're joking but I don't see why not want avx512 support unlocked? that'll be $500/core/year
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Apr 20, 2016 23:16
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Smythe posted:the only thing i want thermally constrained is my cock and balls between some hot titties
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Apr 20, 2016 23:23
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Smythe posted:nice worthless anecdote you worthless little bitch. go post some more in the superman and batman movie thread. dont be mean to animals, not in the intel thread
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Apr 20, 2016 23:24
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DuckConference posted:I dunno if you're joking but I don't see why not your cpu is overheated from video decoding and needs to rest [buy more FLOPberries in the intel store]
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Apr 20, 2016 23:45
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broken clock opsec posted:yeah it's been just over half a decade again (since Windows 7) that Windows upgrades haven't really made computers slower performing just as a matter of course 2011 mac mini running 10.11 with an ssd running gr8
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Apr 20, 2016 23:46
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suffix posted:your cpu is overheated from video decoding and needs to rest a FLOPberry can be bought for 10 SPARCs or for a limited time at our special discount rate of $200 SPARCs cost $10 each
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Apr 21, 2016 00:24
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:pffffft yeah right. just admit that what you really want is an excuse to throw out decades of legacy x86 software so that we can all "start fresh" or something my code already runs on arm and Intel, I don't have to do anything to switch and I won't be throwing out anything.
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It's me, the steam library that becomes obsolete overnight because no company is going to rewrite a three year old game for a new architecture.
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Apr 21, 2016 02:03
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poty posted:if you think thats bad wait until macos arm is announced at the wwdc still lolling at the apple's surface ripoff "for creatives" that can't even run adobe's buggy garbage software that literally every "creative" uses. i mean it's a good idea b/c it means starting from scratch and allowing someone actually competent to create the replacement software for ios but still lomarf
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Apr 21, 2016 07:27
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Citizen Tayne posted:It's me, the steam library that becomes obsolete overnight because no company is going to rewrite a three year old game for a new architecture. yeah this is def a problem but the cool solution to this is to make steamboxes a Windows appliance you stick in a closet and stream from
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Apr 21, 2016 07:35
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ahmeni posted:yeah this is def a problem Lol
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Apr 21, 2016 07:40
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dosbox but for windows 10
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ahmeni posted:yeah this is def a problem you can't possibly be this dumb
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jony ive aces posted:dosbox but for windows 10 There are dosbox ports to ARM but because they're emulating an architecture it's slow as piss compared to running dosbox on i86.
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Apr 21, 2016 13:50
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A dual processor motherboard that runs an x86 processor in one socket and an ARM in the other.
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Citizen Tayne posted:The last desktop CPU I bought was an i5-3570k or whatever back in late 2012 and it's still perfectly serviceable. I run one of these at 4.2ghz and I can confirm I would have to be an idiot to upgrade.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:virtualization means individual customers are buying way fewer chips than they ever did in the past. they might be doing okay today but the bottom is going to fall out in the server market and arm is going to start creeping in to the low/midrange market cool now do one of these with storage or ram or any other aspect of a computer over any ten year period
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Bloody posted:cool now do one of these with storage or ram or any other aspect of a computer over any ten year period ssds are actually a huge leap in performance iirc
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