|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 14:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 20, 2024 00:36 |
|
|
Salt Fish posted:A dual processor motherboard that runs an x86 processor in one socket and an ARM in the other. I've looked into this. running a single system image on both is challenging due to the memory model differences and their incompatible atomic operations. AMD (lol) tried to fix the latter with the armv8.1 atomic instructions but they hosed it up pretty badly.
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 14:30
|
|
|
The Management posted:I've looked into this. running a single system image on both is challenging due to the memory model differences and their incompatible atomic operations. AMD (lol) tried to fix the latter with the armv8.1 atomic instructions but they hosed it up pretty badly. lol why would you take this seriously or look into it
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 14:32
|
|
|
Citizen Tayne posted:lol why would you take this seriously or look into it because that's what they pay me to do.
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 14:38
|
|
|
Citizen Tayne posted:There are dosbox ports to ARM but because they're emulating an architecture it's slow as piss compared to running dosbox on i86.
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 14:39
|
|
|
with ssds almost no one notices or cares that they 5 year old compy doesnt have abrand new processor in it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 14:50
|
|
|
The Management posted:because that's what they pay me to do. Lol
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 14:54
|
|
|
Smythe posted:nice worthless anecdote you worthless little bitch. go post some more in the superman and batman movie thread. 10 pages, now.
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 14:57
|
|
|
why isn't pleasurekevin currently probated? please fix this, fyad.
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 14:57
|
|
|
GameCube posted:why isn't pleasurekevin currently probated? please fix this, fyad. Wasn't he originally a fyad poster?
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 16:19
|
|
|
GameCube posted:10 pages, now. Goldmine
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 16:34
|
|
|
god drat Smythe is good at making GBS threads up threads
|
|
#
?
Apr 21, 2016 21:54
|
|
|
hard times for intel lay ahead, what with amd spinning up some serious competition! or uh, spinning up something, anyway http://anandtech.com/show/10268/china-calling-amd-forms-joint-venture-for-x86-server-socs-in-china quote:The hereto unnamed joint venture will see AMD pair up with Tianjin Haiguang Advanced Technology Investment Co., Ltd (THATIC), whom is an investment arm of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. The deal will, in a nutshell, see AMD provide the joint venture with x86 and SoC IP, along with significant engineering and other technical resources, while THATIC provides the remaining technical resources and the financing behind the venture. looking forward to buying crap from alibaba with bizarro chinese CPUs. all the performance of AMD with all of the security of chinese hardware!
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 13:52
|
|
|
this is China trying to reduce its dependence on Intel. if they ever get decent chips out of this you can expect them to start making it much harder to sell Intel chips in the domestic market
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 14:59
|
|
|
The Management posted:this is China trying to reduce its dependence on Intel. if they ever get decent chips out of this you can expect them to start making it much harder to sell Intel chips in the domestic market didn't russia do the same thing but with arm chips?
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 15:14
|
|
|
The_Franz posted:didn't russia do the same thing but with arm chips? Soviet Russia had a very fine line of binary-compatible PDP-11 and IBM System 360 clones back in the day and the desktop computers on the soviet market in the mid to late 80s were essentially scaled down PDP-11s. The whole Soviet and Russian technology market is fascinating.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 15:31
|
|
|
They also had a ton of Z80 clones too
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 15:33
|
|
|
The Management posted:Intel chips are superior in servers for computationally intensive tasks, yes. that's always been true, I don't see why you're surprised. power draw and heat are still really important in this scenario. but you know that and these idiots don't because it doesn't matter for games, so i'm not sure why i'm bringing it up
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 16:52
|
|
|
rjmccall posted:power draw and heat are still really important in this scenario. but you know that and these idiots don't because it doesn't matter for games, so i'm not sure why i'm bringing it up I really dumbed it down because every time I try to make a post that is encompassing of everything including design decisions and traded offs, process technologies, etc it turns into a million words and then I give up.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 17:59
|
|
|
never try anything ever
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 18:07
|
|
|
The Management posted:I really dumbed it down because every time I try to make a post that is encompassing of everything including design decisions and traded offs, process technologies, etc it turns into a million words and then I give up. post it to the realworldtech forums where people will understand, appreciate, and critique it
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 18:26
|
|
|
No, post it here where a few ignorant people will make fun of it but a few other people will read it and appreciate your contribution without explicitly saying so.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 18:50
|
|
|
Lmao if you seriously think the desktop / server market is going to drop everything and move to another architecture to gain some thermal / power advantages and lose performance advantages. Voicing that isn't "ignorant," it's the truth.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 18:53
|
|
|
Citizen Tayne posted:Lmao if you seriously think the desktop / server market is going to drop everything and move to another architecture to gain some thermal / power advantages and lose performance advantages. Voicing that isn't "ignorant," it's the truth. Ignorant people can still be right sometimes.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 18:59
|
|
|
Salt Fish posted:Ignorant people can still be right sometimes. I guess it's your turn to be a stopped clock.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:00
|
|
|
they made the watch, they made the bigphone, they're making the car they're gonna make an arm mac. guaranteed.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:01
|
|
|
papa_november posted:they made the watch, they made the bigphone, they're making the car Why would they make an ARM Mac? What advantage does switching Mac to ARM offer to Apple? What advantage does it offer to consumers?
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:02
|
|
|
Oh wait, I see what you're saying, Tim is desperate. He's destroying Apple.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:03
|
|
|
precisely
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:08
|
|
|
Citizen Tayne posted:Why would they make an ARM Mac? What advantage does switching Mac to ARM offer to Apple? What advantage does it offer to consumers? not paying intel money and better margins
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:32
|
|
|
BangersInMyKnickers posted:not paying intel money and better margins I wonder what the break-even is on saving a few bucks not paying Intel versus the tremendous expense to port everything (again).
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:39
|
|
|
Citizen Tayne posted:I wonder what the break-even is on saving a few bucks not paying Intel versus the tremendous expense to port everything (again). Nah they'll just repurpose ios apps for desktop use. You can already see them eyeing that direction with ipad pro.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:42
|
|
|
Citizen Tayne posted:I wonder what the break-even is on saving a few bucks not paying Intel versus the tremendous expense to port everything (again). they're doing fat binaries and from what I hear it would be mostly a matter of recompiling for the additional architecture. there would obviously have to be a lot of optimization work as well for CPU heavy stuff but I don't think its as bad as you're thinking. They learned a lot from the PPC to x86 move
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:44
|
|
|
BangersInMyKnickers posted:they're doing fat binaries and from what I hear it would be mostly a matter of recompiling for the additional architecture. there would obviously have to be a lot of optimization work as well for CPU heavy stuff but I don't think its as bad as you're thinking. They learned a lot from the PPC to x86 move i don't think they learned anything
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:48
|
|
|
if Apple switches to ARM, it will just continue to be a computer system intended for casual use by hipsters, and programmers who can't figure out how to install Linux
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:50
|
|
|
Sagebrush posted:if Apple switches to ARM, it will just continue to be a computer system intended for casual use by hipsters, and programmers who can't figure out how to install Linux sounds lucrative
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:52
|
|
|
Citizen Tayne posted:Why would they make an ARM Mac? What advantage does switching Mac to ARM offer to Apple? What advantage does it offer to consumers? a lot. apple has been building all kinds of custom poo poo into their SoCs, like Secure Enclave. and Intel has really help them back because their chipset didn't support USB 3.0 for ages so Apple was amongst the last to support USB 3.0. they could potentially move more quickly and create differentiating features in their products. also, AMD has a semi-custom business now where you can put AMD cores in your own design. they'll probably still stick with Intel but there's more valid reasons to switch now than ever.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:54
|
|
|
PleasureKevin posted:a lot. apple has been building all kinds of custom poo poo into their SoCs, like Secure Enclave. Hmm.
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 19:55
|
|
|
apple has a really good in house cpu team so yeah I could see them going down that road
|
|
#
?
Apr 22, 2016 23:58
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 20, 2024 00:36 |
|
|
ARM more like apple's ridiculous mistake!
|
|
#
?
Apr 23, 2016 01:08
|
|