Liver Disaster posted:

Augus posted:

Demo was very fun.

Note: Hard Mode, on top of ramping up enemies' damage, also makes them faster and smarter, and the demo boss has a different attack pattern and a couple new attacks on hard.

RBA Starblade posted:

I'm liking a demo but a block button would be nice; the dodge isn't very useful for actually avoiding damage, since the very next attack will likely just hit you anyway. There's so many enemies that dodging forward to the one attacking means dodging into the next hit, and dodging to the sides means running into someone else's bullet or attack.

Trojan Kaiju posted:

How did people here remap their controls? I put evade on X and jump on O because having evade on a trigger seemed like a terrible idea but I keep forgetting about my jump in fights so I don't know if there's a more ergonomic setup or if I'm just bad at it. Probably just bad at it.

Also this is my first time hearing that there was more to the Nier endings than what we got and I'm not at all surprised that a Nier sequel is going off of that information.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

All of the people that didn't buy Vanquish, because it's almost unimpeachable on a pure gameplay level.

I lent Vanquish to 4 people with my highest recommendation. 3 of them didn't get through the first level because they found it dumb and confusing. It didn't matter to me, it didn't matter to the fourth guy, but it matters to a lot of people. And yeah anecdotes aren't data, but Vanquish flopped and I'm sure a good chunk of that is because it's absolutely not a narrative experience in any way that matters, and that is a GIGANTIC priority for people that buy single-player only games.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

I think you're forgetting it sits behind a very bland tutorial with very stupid dialogue and also a cutscene with, shall we say, Heavy Anime Elements (and an 18-wheeler delivering a heaping helping of Steven Blum ham)?

One of them gave up, btw, when after multi minutes of cutscenes she didn't care about, she ran Sam down a corridor for about 10 seconds - and into more cutscenes.

Now I personally think that Vanquish is extremely excellent and the first level does, in fact, own - but we're talking about why Platinum ended up with other people's IPs. And the answer is that their stories, plots, and characters are all off-putting to the average person, which is who they needed to appeal to for mainstream success. So much of video gaming is sold on flash and hype and those initial impressions to trailers - and Platinum just falls down in this area. I'm not saying that it's fair, just that it's reality.

Genocyber posted:

It's funny, despite this being developed by Platinum this game still has a lot of really badly designed gameplay. The big open areas in this do the game no favors, since they're largely empty and just make you take longer to get to the NPCs/quest locations. First Nier was way better about this. Also the combat is honestly a lot less fun than the first Nier. You get a lot of combos but most of them don't seem all that better than the basic light and heavy attack combos, meanwhile the equivalent to the awesome magic from the first game is both more limited (you can only equip one at a time as far as I can tell) and prohibitively expensive, costing as much as the weapons to purchase.

Alder posted:

It's my first time with a digital PS4 purchase and apparently it needs 40 hrs to download via wired connection? Is this normal?

dazat posted:

2B 's audio recording for 9S, the latter of which isn't even a side quest and is super easy to miss.

Josuke Higashikata posted:

Flooded city, look at the edge of the water for a flight unit before you get to the platforming over collapsed buildings. You're right about Route C. You can also interact with A2, which is kinda interesting too.

Monomythian posted:

So minor plot hole?

How can 9S not recognise Angelic when its the language he uses to hack with?

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

I just saw in some fanart for 2b that there are fist weapons in this game? Can you get some fist weapons reasonably fast or is it locked behind a bunch of poo poo?

verbal enema posted:

Starting Route D tonight.

verbal enema posted:

What like just skip to the end beat it then repeat?

FunkMonkey posted:

Yes, the Bunker is in black and white. It's meant to emphasize that Earth is pretty and natural.

Nuebot posted:

I want them all on steam.

EDIT: Game doesn't detect my PS4 gamepad. That sucks.

Artless Meat posted:

I'm not sure if my game is hosed or what.

Path C Spoilers:

I'm at the part where Pascal's village goes crazy and I have to kill the evil robots. I've checked everywhere and killed them all, and all the robot corpses just to be safe, but nothings happening. I autosaved when I loaded in too, so I just reload at the village. Did I gently caress my save or am I just missing something super obvious? Trying to leave just makes A2 say "I can't leave the village to fend for itself"

Ekusukariba posted:

What is the missable thing?

Josuke Higashikata posted:

Pretty sure you can get multiples of this from the golden stubbies in the city ruins (can't speak for its other locations), though I can't remember if they keep spawning if you complete the event series. I definitely have more than I can use on my 100% save.

Zinkraptor posted:

So, I have an odd question for those of you with any knowledge of Japanese. (Route B spoilers) So, when 9S is trapped in his own mind or whatever and Adam is messing with him, Adam says something along the lines of "You're thinking about how much you want to **** 2b , aren't you?". I assumed the point of that statement was that **** could stand for both "gently caress" or "kill", since they're both four letter words and fit into the weird sex-and-violence themes that the game has going, like with the strangling scene. But the game is Japanese, which makes me wonder - what was that line in the original Japanese text? Having **** stand for either word only works in English. Do they do something similar, or did it perhaps turn out that they were explicitly referring to one word, not both?

Vermain posted:

It's deliberate commentary on the relationship between love, sex, and violence, especially the latter two. I can get into more detail if you really want, but consider this (ending B spoilers): When 9S is being taunted by Adam, he has the line, "You're thinking about how you want to **** 2B, aren't you?" Most people are immediately going to think of "gently caress," but this is a game that already has swears in it; why the censorship? In the context of all his talk about "hate" before, can you think of another four letter word that could fit in there?

Mordiceius posted:

Does ending E just pick up from there? How long is the journey to ending E after getting c/d?

RanKizama posted:

Yeah they did. Cover in Route B.

Possible spoiler? Just being safe.

9S uploaded both his and 2B's info to the Bunker when 2B was fighting the Goliath and he was laying all jacked up on the roof. That way their info and memories were saved to their backups in the Bunker. The other members of her squad never had the chance.

FunkMonkey posted:

Deadly heal +3 or better is basically "I win, gently caress you" for anything outside bosses. It's absurd, you need absolutely nothing else defense-wise in my opinion.

As far as pod programs go, I'm gonna be honest: I pretty much just stuck with laser throughout the near-entirety of my playtime. It was there to swat ranged units out of the sky or triple-charge for a little extra oomph on top of my melee.

Ciaphas posted:

As someone who didn't play the first Nier can anyone clarify how the routes work? Is it a clear direct progression from A through to E or what?

I'm only at the beginning of the game still, having just conquered the boss in the desert you encounter after chasing a machine through an apartment complex. Digging the music though.

Also I'm worried from the Steam thread that I'm not gonna want to play this, since I'm on something fierce of a sadbrains downturn and Yoko Taro is a jerk I guess?

lets hang out posted:

Someone in imp zone tried to do it without help and said that after many, many restarts the credits just stopped taking damage entirely. Surprised no one on pc has cheated their way through it yet.

Dias posted:

Huh, I just realized Ending E is a very effective anti-piracy measure. Now I kinda wanna see if people make a workaround for the thing.

dumb and kinda scared posted:

Finished the game but there is still some things I don't understand:
who are "they"? The ones who prepared yorha to be destroyed and replaced. Droids from the moon or something?
how was the "backdoor" supposed to destroy yorha? If the plan worked they would just join the machines, giving machines more weapons, how is this a good idea in any way?
who were those 2 girls in the tower?

dumb and kinda scared posted:

Ahh, I see. Is there information on how this came to be? I assume there was initially an actual android vs machine war but now they ultimately control the androids. Also the moon situation in unclear. The commander gets her orders from the moon server or? Moon broadcasts certainly seem to be part of the system to keep androids going so why build a missile to destroy it?

CrashScreen posted:

Where is it stated that the machines rebuild YoRHa?

RanKizama posted:

This is just personal theory, but I think "they" refers to the android authority that oversees the human genome on the moon. YoRHa is given just enough information to be functional to their purpose and when they've outlived that, the backdoor is opened and they're wiped out so that the next cycle can begin and fresh data can be accumulated while simultaneously building better androids. I believe that the purpose of this isn't just for combat ability, but to further android evolution on even an emotional level to make them progress into what humanity once was. If they do have the human genome on the moon and their task is to save humanity, then it would make sense for them to conduct these continuous cycles to evolve the androids to a point that they can be possibly be used as a vessel to actually restore humanity in the future.

I'm kind of talking out of my rear end since I don't have all the info, but that's what I think. Am I even close?

Sakurazuka posted:

Yeah it seems to me like there's still two separate groups fighting, the machine consciousness and whoever is overseeing the androids, presumably some remnant of human consciousness/AI on the moon. The latter group is responsible for the YorHa destruction cycle, I guess they used the machines to do it as basically a false flag operation to keep the other androids around, like the resistance group, in the dark.

Omi no Kami posted:

Man, maybe it's just because of the way it's used in route B, but holy cow do I ever hate hacking. Every single time they have a mandatory section in-story, it seems like it brings the momentum screeching to a halt.

No Wave posted:

The lack of save points in the first forty five minutes in the game is dogshit. How am I supposed to actually play or enjoy the game if I'm going to get punished that hard if I lose?

Omi no Kami posted:

Aw man- I know ending E is so uncharacteristically happy for a Yoko Taro game that the price had to be paid somewhere, but that sucks.

Snak posted:

(Big spoilers)

I've seen several people (in this thread and elsewhere on the internet) who seem to be under the impression that YorHa was created by the Machines. From what I can tell, this is simply not true.

Snak posted:

Not having autosave can save your butt if you lose chips. Like, if you fail to reclaim your corpse, you can just load your game. Because there's no autosave.

Josuke Higashikata posted:

Exactly.
It's thinking like that which makes Yoko Taro a good developer. I know this is the Taro circlejerk thread basically so yeah, you're gonna expect this kind of post in here, but he's just generally more inventive, interesting and more forward thinking than basically every other dev in the industry. People bring up Kojima but even he plays most things more straight forward.

Dias posted:

Yeah, I guess that's one of the things that I appreciate in the game. The camera isn't actively fishing for perv shots, even if you might be, and it would've been very easy to just shove those angles in.