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metalloid posted:It's certainly anti-LGBT bigot terribleness. What I mean to ask is how much do bigots around the world pay attention to bigots in america? There appears to be something of a fundamental disparity between the anti-LGBT people in the US (mostly religious based, believe being gay is a bad moral choice) and the anti-LGBT people in Europe (often some flavor of generic far-right shithead, believe being gay is a genetic aberration) that means that they don't usually directly help one another out, but they do sometimes unwittingly end up helping the other side by accident, or vice versa. The best example I can think of being when some scientists claimed to have found a gay gene and some LGBT groups in the US celebrated possibly having some sort of biological basis for anti-discrimination laws, whereas the UK's Daily Mail printed "Abortion hope after 'gay genes' findings" because they are literal Nazis 
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Artificer posted:No way. Was there any sort of outrage about that or is that par for course for the Daily Mail? 
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The Isle of Man has recently allowed for both marriage and civil unions for both same and mixed sex couples, which makes them the only place in the North Atlantic archipelago to allow all four. That's good news as equal civil partnerships are stalled everywhere in the UK. In other foreign LGBT news, the petition to allow people to self define their gender in the UK rather than having a medical gatekeeping process has recently been stalled until further notice. quote:There will be a delay in publishing the Government’s response to your committee’s report on transgender equality.  "
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If we tell people that they can become meaningful by killing themselves then they'll kill themselves all the time to get more and more meaningful and then they will roll around in all their meaning which they are totally capable of experiencing. Logic!
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Does that mean that Denmark will no longer require trans people to be castrated/sterilized in order to get a recognition of gender change? (I think it's Denmark that does that, definitely one of the Scandinavian countries.)
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A pill that would erase sexuality completely would be interesting, not 'turn someone straight/gay/whatever' but actually erase it, given how much of society builds itself around that. But so much of a person's self perception is tied into lived experiences that are resultant from their sexuality that unless you did it from birth you'd just create an even more unpleasant dysphoria. Like what famously happened with Alan Turing. So I don't think such a pill would even be possible without horrific side effects unless it completely changed a person's past self image or sedated them beyond caring, both of which could also be horrific. I'd imagine the same thing holds for gender. e: Interesting as in it's something I'd consider moreso than one that turns you whatever the majority of society or its loudest assholes considers 'normal'. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Good thing nobody was hurt. Shame it was a woman that did it though, there would be no  big enough if it was a man who went into the women's bathroom to commit a transphobic crime over fears that men would use Target's decision as an excuse to enter women's bathrooms and commit crimes.Has Julie Bindel been on holiday lately?
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Hollismason posted:You don't own the air above something So you can't call a no-fly zone over your house just because you don't like the noise or you're an insane sovereign citizen, but if you argued that the drones were affecting your business, even if it's a repugnant business, you might have a case. It'd be interesting to see if it applied to general positive messages under the first amendment.
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That would require self awareness that their homophobia and transphobia shares a common thread with that of others.
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Problem with immediate kneejerking violent retribution is, like another poster said about the far-right in Europe, it ends up empowering neo-nazi fuckwits who would happily beat people for 'looking gay' any other day to go around beating people for 'looking Muslim' while feeling they've got some kind of popular mandate. And that also plays into exactly what groups like ISIS want; scared, angry, marginalized Muslims. And empowers the far right who will come up with other reasons to oppose LGBT rights. No action will change what happened, but BigRed0427's thing with directing outrage into anti-discrimination legislation seems like the best kind of path, not smashing Mosques. Ball Cupper posted:Yeah, and if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.
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This attack on gay people in a gay venue by an attacker claiming allegiance to a group that calls for the brutal execution of gay people isn't the time for identity politics.
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Nckdictator posted:In keeping with the thread title the BBC did a pretty interesting interview with a Lesbian Iranian woman and her mother. I don't believe it has anything to do with human sexuality, because it requires a set of physiological conditions that don't occur in human gestation, and I'm always wary of biological reductionism when it comes to people, but lol at "there are no female cows that exhibit mating behaviors with other female cows."
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Yeah, but there's also thousands of instances of poo poo we really shouldn't be excusing by appeal to nature that occur too, like gang rape in ducks and traumatic insemination in bedbugs and all kinds of poo poo that occurs in the parasite world. Human gender and sexuality is something that seems to be quite fluid and culturally defined and the standard should be more like "this is okay because it's all risk-aware consenting adults" or "this is okay because the harms of homophobia and transphobia are far worse than any harms caused by being welcoming and inclusive" and not "this is okay because giraffes". And there are problems with those standards too, but that's what happens when you try to analyze social things from within society. Don't be poo poo to people and listen to other people's lived experiences I guess.
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Schizotek posted:This week has been pretty awful for me. I go to school in Orlando, and while I was lucky enough to be in Texas visiting family during the shooting, I still got to wake up to texts from friends telling me my community was being massacred. Discussion about it in the household ended up with a shouting argument between me and pretty much everyone else that ended with me outed and told by my grandfather that people gays and liberals aren't part of the family's values, and if I didn't hold their values I wasn't part of the family. Feels bad man  quote:Serious answer? Iran doesn't have that many cows. While I'm sure the numbers have grown since the 18th century, the comparison of local rulers wealth from that era usually listed sheep and goats in the tens, or hundreds of thousands, and I'm not sure I ever saw a rulers cow herd as being listed over a hundred.  because the mother in question threw in a random "I know nothing about animal husbandry but I'm going to use it to excuse my prejudices."
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That's functionally a rolling indefinite ban if you're in most relationships though. They could have an exception for monogamous gay couples. That then gets into 'but one of them could cheat and the other wouldn't know'. That's the same in all relationships though, and it was said further up thread that the risk of HIV is statistically higher in all cases when that happens, not just with MSM. It's the same with sex work. If you pay money for unprotected sex with a different person every weekend, it's a 12 month deferral. If you accepted money for sex even once, it's a lifetime ban. So you get into the same situation of whether this is statistics or stigma, and whether someone who did sex work with a select group of clients, always used protection, and stopped 10 years ago could be justified in lying on the form if they had consistently tested negative for blood borne diseases since.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Not every MSM has HIV though. If they are monogamous and know they and their partner are HIV free it makes zero sense unless you think it spontaneously generates. Standard counterargument is 'that's the same for het couples too, with roughtly the same risks'. But nobody is making the counterargument backed by stats at the levels where decisions are made.
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Hollismason posted:What's a good news site for LGBT news. I mostly read the Advocate , Queerty( don't judge me) and Huffposts Queer Voices. hackbunny posted:Meanwhile in Italy: hackbunny posted:"billy clubs and ricin oil" and he can't call them "faggots" because "the law is on their side. So, we have to keep the billy club in our pocket and throw away the ricin oil" Not that wanting to torture people instead of outright murder them makes them good people.
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VitalSigns posted:gently caress yeah South Africa still first republic in world to legalize same-sex marriage, so  still applicable.Fairly sure that the Isle of Man should stop being gold and start being dark blue if not now then in a couple months. They also passed civil partnerships for all couples, so same sex and mixed sex partnerships can be equal in whichever way they want.  Northern Ireland needs to get their poo poo together on multiple issues.
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Hermetic posted:Yeah, SA is cool in a lot of ways, from what a former colleague told me. She hates the African "huts and spears" stereotype with a white-hot rage. Paradoxically the old NGK was probably one of the main driving forces behind the adoption of LGBT rights, by combining homophobia with support for apartheid, the two became somewhat entwined in popular thought, so after the first full elections and the new constitution in the mid 90s there was an attitude of "yeah gently caress everything they supported." And so gay rights happened. I think that was the first time in the world that a national constitution protected against sexual orientation discrimination on the same level as race. Outside of the courtrooms though, there's still a lot of room for progress.
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Hermetic posted:Though, to be honest, I'd rather just see state marriage obliterated and replaced with civil unions for everybody. e: Both in civil and religious contexts.
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As in 'queer theory' or as in being yelled from a passing car?
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fishmech posted:No it really doesn't. fishmech posted:state marriage, a concept which is older than religious marriage by far. Being as everyone has decided to redefine it as about love now, it's only fair that same word is allowed for both same and mixed sex partnerships, but some people still object to the historical connotations. I guess allowing all partnerships to choose between a 'marriage' and a 'civil union' would be the best case. Small Frozen Thing posted:No. Marriage is not some Abrahamic religion thing, it occurs in one form or another in every culture on earth. You are being myopic on this.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:It was patriarchal because it occurred in patriarchal societies! Oh my god, you can't be this dense. I admit that it's probably far too ingrained to just scrap it, but there are countries in Europe offering that alternative to all partnerships, which is a good step.
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fishmech posted:Half the EU has 0 meaningful LGBT protections. Some members are even actively antagonistic. The UK happens to be a leader in LGBT rights within the union as it turns out. And if Northern Ireland splits off over Brexit, Britain would be even more LGBT friendly, since they're easily the worst of the constituent nations. That's not really a win for folks that still have to live there though. Plus Brexit will cause economic uncertainty, and economic uncertainty + emboldened fash usually = bad things.
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I have no idea what DAE is but every Pride for the past couple years I've heard from a small subset of gay men (it is always just gay men) that hey we've achieved all our goals so why not tone down all the prancing around do we really need the parades anymore they just block traffic and annoy people guys. I hate the term 'straight acting' but really they're the sort of people that are most behind that. Or they just hate fun and street parties.
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Baka-nin posted:The source is two Daily Mail columnists, a paper that's never been regarded as an objective journal, but especially not in regards to Queer issues. Guavanaut posted:whereas the UK's Daily Mail printed "Abortion hope after 'gay genes' findings" because they are literal Nazis
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Baka-nin posted:Oh and in the UK the second highest rate of HIV infection are among heterosexual Black Britons. Somehow I don't think these groups push a pamphlet warning of the dangers of `black lifestyle`. Tommy Mair, the neo-nazi who assassinated MP Jo Cox (gently caress that was almost 4 weeks ago) was reported to be an avid consumer of stuff from a US retailer called National Vanguard that sold poo poo like this: 
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That's the same for their concern trolling of LGBT groups though. "We don't hate you, we're just concerned about the disease risk from your awful lifestyle. It's for your own good, and it's for the safety of our children that we're banning any discussion of LGBT issues in school because the only safe way to be gay is don't." The only major difference between the two is that the anti-miscegenation stuff got moved to the hardcore nazi sidelines a few decades earlier, whereas it's still 'acceptable' in some religious groups to be a homophobe. (e: Yeah, a ton of people sadly still hold those views in private, but I mean the people who actively go out flyering cities or being a shithead in public.)
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Baka-nin posted:I didn't know that, what are the restrictions in the UK for transsexuals? Being as the UK doesn't have no-fault divorce, this can lead to a partner being trapped in a relationship that won't allow them to transition. You could file under unreasonable behavior or separate, but that can take years. It happens in more cases than you'd imagine. I'm not sure if that's also the case for civil unions.
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Baka-nin posted:Last week the Tynwald the parliament Isle of Man and oldest parliament in the world legalised same sex marriage. http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/steffan-cowell-gay-isle-man/#gs.hjKuDtI
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The "outlaw rape of a male" thing would put them ahead of the UK, and inline with much of northern Europe and Scandinavia. Assuming that they mean "outlaw all non-consensual sex regardless of the genders of the victim and perpetrator" and not just "outlaw male-male rape, which we didn't need to bother outlawing before because we could just prosecute the rapist for homosexuality." I'm surprised that it took so long being as they were the last remaining non-island British territories to gain independence, well after decriminalization in the UK, and have a lot of wealthy British who immigrated there after independence, but apparently they have strong laws against immigrants involving themselves directly in politics (only indirectly  ).
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Baka-nin posted:Most of the time colonial law was far more brutal then in the UK, for example physical punishments and executions were far more common in the Colonies even after the UK banned them. Though interestingly enough the law on homosexuality was much harsher in the UK, it used to be punished by death, then forced castration, but in most colonies it appears to have punished by prison terms.
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OwlFancier posted:What is "animus" in this case? I'm not familiar with the term as applied to laws.  I think as used here it's not in a strictly legal sense (mens rea would be a rough legal equivalent but implies something more specific) but just to imply that they are motivated purely by enmity or ill will, they cannot prove a material reason or definition of harm as understood by a court, just that they hate the group in question.
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I'm glad the brief set the tone with the bit that has been medically and scientifically shown to be wrong, it helps anyone that's undecided about taking it seriously.quote:Gender identity is nothing more than a “feeling” that people use to trick others. 
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Something about nature vs. nurture that is neither here nor there, uranians gave the gay aids to Africa using antiretrovirals, poppers caused grids, the goal of elite gays is to destroy the family, the sole drive of schizophrenics is to murder people in the street, and that's just part one. 
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Does he go full Hoxha and start blaming the feminists and Frankfurt school Jews for betraying the revolution?
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TinTower posted:So, uh, bunkers? I found an part of that article that I agree with. quote:No group of people should have special rights based on their sexual behaviour.
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I had more than a few  moments reading through it, but I don't think I got truly angry at the guy. He just threw far too many "I am a loving idiot" (not a wordfilter) cards on the table too fast for me to even take him seriously and I just started playing rear end in a top hat bingo (and boy did he hit a lot of the classics. Freemason Jew media brainwashing the kids, holoI think this has come up a few times in the conspiracy crowd/crazy forwards threads, and is applicable to the tankie mode of thought. A lot of the western capitalist accounts of Stalin were heavily biased, which leads them down the 'academic coverups' rabbit hole until they're coming straight out of the starting gate with AIDS denial as if everyone is going to follow along with them rather than write them off as an idiot. I also found a fair few inversions of alt-right tropes in there, like 'Jewish record producers are feminizing black men' as a direct parallel to 'Jewish record producers are Africanizing white kids'. Also "attempts to distort research by defaming the researcher by the homosexual agenda" presented uncritically right next to "Kinsey hosed kids and so all his research should be ignored". If you want a palate cleanser, this was basically my internal monolog for most of the first half of part one. But the anarchist position is petty-bourgeois now apparently.
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Yeah, it's a bit flippant or whatever, but as a counter to "I will support literally any theory, no matter how discredited, if I can tie it into the evil gay threat to orthodox Marxism" it works, the author does not deserve a better response. Speaking of contrarians, guess who else writes for that paper.
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It seems about on par for stupidity with the Keith Vaz thing. Dozens of potential things for a media outlet to investigate in terms of nepotism, shady property dealings, expenses, use of charities, has supported some lovely causes in the past (but generally okay on gay issues), and the thing that the press are going wild over is that he purchased sexual services from some younger (but still way over majority) men. There might even be a legit call for outrage if it turns out to be true that he used charity funds to do so, but so far the media angle has been almost entirely "lolol mansex! poppers!" or saying that because he did something that isn't illegal he has a conflict of interest in chairing a committee into whether that thing should continue to be legal. I only assume that for the sake of consistency they will nod sagely in approval if the government commissions a report into alcohol prohibition and only allows observant Muslims and Quakers on the board. And while there is room for debate around making sex work safer and less exploitative, far too much of the public and press satisfaction has been about the angle of outing his private life.
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