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Sinners Sandwich posted:Yucks aside, Has David Cage ever done anything real life or publicly to be labeled a sexual predator? I'm familer with his love of toilets and rape scenes but it's pretty lovely to call him a sexual predator.
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Yucks aside, Has David Cage ever done anything real life or publicly to be labeled a sexual predator? Well, for starters he IS French.
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Yucks aside, Has David Cage ever done anything real life or publicly to be labeled a sexual predator? I'm familer with his love of toilets and rape scenes but it's pretty lovely to call him a sexual predator. This is the forum where people unironically think Ken Levine is a white supremacist because they completely misunderstood Bioshock Infinite, what do you think?
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Guy Mann posted:This is the forum where people unironically think Ken Levine is a white supremacist because they completely misunderstood Bioshock Infinite, what do you think?
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Accordion Man posted:All I've ever seen is people rightfully calling him a moron for handling racism with such utter incompetence that the game's message unintentionally became "The white supremacists were right." I rest my case.
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Guy Mann posted:I rest my case. They're not wrong.
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Oxxidation posted:They're not wrong. I've only heard great things about it. Can you give me a quick summary?
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Accordion Man posted:All I've ever seen is people rightfully calling him a moron for handling racism with such utter incompetence that the game's message unintentionally became "The white supremacists were right." I agree with the first half of this, but I have no idea where you got the second.
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Cavelcade posted:I've only heard great things about it. Can you give me a quick summary? If I remember the shitstorm correctly, the way B:I handled the Vox conflict in the latter half of the game was sharply at odds with the adversaries in the first half in a way that made a lot of people really uncomfortable. The Comstock loyalists in the first half were hostile, but not universally so (you had a lot of downtime and even a few people who tried to give you shelter amidst all the soldier-shooting), but as soon as Fitzroy gives the kill order in the Vox timeline, every single Vox instantly and permanently becomes hostile until the end of the game, all while they're cackling about stealing everyone's property and burning the rich in effigy. Then there's Fitzroy herself, a militant black civil-rights activist who, as soon as she gains power, literally smears blood over her face and prepares to cut a hitherto-unseen child's throat. It was astonishingly tone-deaf. edit: basically, Levine wasn't called out as racist so much as way too dedicated to moral equivocation - he was so married to that tedious "truth is in the middle" schtick that he tried to put actual, historical slavers and bigots on the same moral level as the people they were enslaving, and it made the ending acts of B:I feel really unpleasant and inauthentic. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 19:16 on May 8, 2016 |
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I never got more than an hour into the game but 'violent revolution by an oppressed people is remarkably bloody and awful' isn't exactly in the realm of fantasy.
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Sakurazuka posted:I never got more than an hour into the game but 'violent revolution by an oppressed people is remarkably bloody and awful' isn't exactly in the realm of fantasy. Agreed, but it was the implementation and execution that rankled people. Like I said, the good guy/bad guy switch for the Vox is literally denoted by all of your crosshairs turning from green to red after a single line from their leader, as if all of the Vox are mind-linked by some evil socialist telepathy, and at one point the main characters literally state that they're just as bad as their oppressors, like the game is trying to make the pill easier to swallow. Bioshock Infinite purported to be tackling Big Social Issues from the start, so it got put under a harsh spotlight when it started to make pratfalls like this (and more so when it tried to sneak away from the conceit entirely for a lot of metaphysical alternate-dimension nonsense in the very end).
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Oxxidation posted:If I remember the shitstorm correctly, the way B:I handled the Vox conflict in the latter half of the game was sharply at odds with the adversaries in the first half in a way that made a lot of people really uncomfortable. The Comstock loyalists in the first half were hostile, but not universally so (you had a lot of downtime and even a few people who tried to give you shelter amidst all the soldier-shooting), but as soon as Fitzroy gives the kill order in the Vox timeline, every single Vox instantly and permanently becomes hostile until the end of the game, all while they're cackling about stealing everyone's property and burning the rich in effigy. Then there's Fitzroy herself, a militant black civil-rights activist who, as soon as she gains power, literally smears blood over her face and prepares to cut a hitherto-unseen child's throat. It was astonishingly tone-deaf. Sounds about right. Revolutions often become bloody fanatical shitshows. See: France. I didn't see that action as vindicating Comstock, merely that violence and extremism are poisonous no matter who wields them. I think since a lot of people think they politically are sympathetic to the Vox, they are disturbed that the "good guys" would turn so viciously bad, but of all the things in Infinite that it doesn't so right, I thought that part worked fairly well. Bioshock Infinite is a Dumb Game though.
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I feel like the idea of devil's advocating how B:I's story turns out, is undone by the DLC campaign where they retcon the story in a self-aware bid to save face
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Guy Mann posted:This is the forum where people unironically think Ken Levine is a white supremacist because they completely misunderstood Bioshock Infinite, what do you think? he's a big stupid fuckhead nobody wants to work with more than once so who gives a poo poo, that description works for me
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Mass Effect Andromeda delayed to 2017, will be shown the week of E3quote:With Mass Effect™: Andromeda, our team at BioWare™ is exploring how far they can take this beloved franchise. Yes, we’re building the best of what we all love about Mass Effect – amazing stories, characters and fun third-person shooter combat – and bringing them along with us on the expedition to Andromeda. But we’re also excited to be introducing new features and ways you can enjoy a Mass Effect game.
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Quest For Glory II posted:Mass Effect Andromeda delayed to 2017, will be shown the week of E3  Well, I guess I can wait.
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They shouldn't have, because the delay was announced some time ago, I think at EA's last earnings call.
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Davincie posted:didn't like every team lead leave. there's no way its going to be good It might be! It'll almost certainly be different, but that doesn't rule out good.
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Quest For Glory II posted:I feel like the idea of devil's advocating how B:I's story turns out, is undone by the DLC campaign where they retcon the story in a self-aware bid to save face Yeah, I was willing to stand up for the story in the base game to some extent despite all its flaws, but then the dlc made it clear that the entire thing was exactly as lovely and garbage as everyone thought it was. And it dragged down BioShock 1 with it.
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MinibarMatchman posted:did people really expect Andromeda to launch in 2016? There wasn't any inkling it would have been out this year either, there hasn't been any footage of it at all. Fallout 4 didn't reveal any footage or screenshots until a few months before it came out.
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CottonWolf posted:It might be! It'll almost certainly be different, but that doesn't rule out good. Isn't DA: Inquisition the template Bioware plans to base all games going forward on? If so, then I'd argue the "different."
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Alfalfa The Roach posted:How unfinished will it be in comparison to EA's Star Wars Battlefront I don't think it's possible to be as unfinished as the latest Battlefront while still including a box.
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Anatharon posted:I don't think it's possible to be as unfinished as the latest Battlefront while still including a box. Tony Hawk 5 did happen.
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Anatharon posted:I don't think it's possible to be as unfinished as the latest Battlefront while still including a box. Tell that to Street Fighter V
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Quest For Glory II posted:I feel like the idea of devil's advocating how B:I's story turns out, is undone by the DLC campaign where they retcon the story in a self-aware bid to save face How did they retcon it?
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I said come in! posted:Street Fighter V is hands down one of the most unfinished games ever. I dunno, there's always that one game where nobody could get past the first level and the creator kept insisting the game was just really hard, up until someone went into the files and discovered that every level past the first was clearly a dummy file.
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RatHat posted:How did they retcon it? The Luteces apparently told Daisy that she had to induce suicide-by-Elizabeth in order to abolish her innocence so she'll have the courage to kill Comstock and I always knew it was stupid but it became even more so after I realized what I was typing halfway through this sentence.
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Pirate Jet posted:The Luteces apparently told Daisy that she had to induce suicide-by-Elizabeth in order to abolish her innocence so she'll have the courage to kill Comstock and I always knew it was stupid but it became even more so after I realized what I was typing halfway through this sentence. This raises way more questions than it answers.
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The announcements keep coming! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvBf6WBatk0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK7Sv_LuBQg
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Real hurthling! posted:Civ is basically out of ideas now and everyone prefers one of the older ones right? Yes. And on another note I cant believe people still play bioware games after the poo poo theyve been shoveling out for the past 5 years
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Ways to make Civ better : Taking political cartoons as an example, personicate my nation with a giant 150 version of my Leader standing above the home city That's all I need
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FMV is making a comeback, Civ 6 needs to have advisors again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlTIk80uBPg
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Ways to make Civ better: don't make it unless Sid wants to be actively involved in the development.
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