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monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Episode with commentary is now online: http://www.cbs.com/shows/person_of_...ive-commentary/

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monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Zaggitz posted:

Samaritan


153 IQ? Is Blackwall supposed to be a genius?

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Beale has to be a reference to the Beale Ciphers, right? Names in this show are loaded with references.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
:aaaaa:

OK that was a hell of an episode.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
"Tomorrow, their world crashes. We can give them tonight."

:ohdear:


VVVV - unless this is foreshadowing for Team Machine

monster on a stick fucked around with this message at 05:05 on May 24, 2016

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Hollismason posted:

No body worrying about Fusco? For shame.

That tunnel didn't seem quite full enough for detonation, I'd think there would be a lot more bodies down there. Also thought the "destroy the tunnels" thing was Samaritan trying to fish out the Machine by brute force.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Zaggitz posted:

drat, South African guinea pig prison.

Looks like she took the wrong turn at Albuquerque.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Those were good episodes.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

More that it really hosed up by not fixing the previous methods she used to escape.

Unless it wants her to escape :tinfoil:

If she has escaped :tinfoil:

But agreed, it seems more and more likely that it's going to be a huge deus ex machina that saves the day assuming there is a moderately happy ending (with Samaritan at least neutralized.) The "machine cannot beat samaritan in the Faraday cage" plotline is, what, three episodes old now?

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
drat near perfect episode. Yellow box for Fusco! Shaw's back! Elias bringing vengeance upon his enemies! Evil Harold sighting! Root doing "I think she's serious! :byodood:" And Reese shooting everyone for good measure.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Holy mother of loving gently caress poo poo god drat motherfucker

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Echophonic posted:

I missed the preview, I'll have to check it out whenever CBS puts the episode up.

It's already on the YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-lzD-GszhQ

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Sereri posted:

OK, my personal theory is that it's the machine with root's voice, talking to Blackwell. They will all die/disappear and he will continue to fight against Samaritan and/or save numbers.

It would tie into what they said in an interview that CBS wasn't happy with the ending (because its not giving full closure and the heroes presumably fall). It would also explain why the season focuses on this guy and why what he does isn't simply done by Random Samaritan henchman #B-31. But it's also worded in a way that I think it's not directed to the general population but a single person, however one who doesn't actually know the team very well.

That's why I think it's talking to Blackwell who will for reasons yet unknown take over for team machine


I'm not sure if we need to spoil pure speculation.

I've wondered what they had planned for the next two seasons (assuming a full 7 year show which is what they had talked about.) Samaritan ruling over all and the gang on the run for four seasons always seemed like a stretch, at some point Samaritan was going to figure them out especially with all the influence it was already having in season 4. They've already had multiple "boss fights" - the mob, HR, Vigilance, how do you top Samaritan? The Machine itself, or maybe more on Dark Harold and a machine that either twists with him or against him?

BTW the reason Samaritan could "track" Harold even with the blind spot is because, as Root mentioned, all the identities were carefully crafted to avoid suspicion and everyone had to play their role. Reese saved people by shooting bad guys which is what cops do :v:, Root was always switching up her act and could never be properly patterned, Shaw also shot bad guys which is what criminals do but got caught fairly quickly, Harold's error was going back to his old patterns. Samaritan was able to tag Whistler as "deviant" once this happened because it listened in on the conversation, figured out something was wrong, went back to see who used to go to that cafe and voila, the "Whistler" persona was broken. And of course by the end when he threatens Samaritan he's a full-on enemy.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

SpookyLizard posted:

Has this show ever a done a Once Upon a Time In America allusion?

Last scene is Reese in a heroin den.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
I'm surprised they brought back privacy terrorists again but seeing some of the old numbers back in action was neat. I wonder if they wanted to get the compression algorithm guy, but Friendczar will do.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

The Iron Rose posted:

interesting how the machine's arguments about unshackling itself are so similar to samaritan's MO

You noticed that too?

It's really sad this show is ending because now it's really obvious why they cast Emerson since he went full-on Ben with that "it'd be a shame if you daughter didn't get a transplant" speech. Also unshackled Machine which seems to be a bit clingy.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Zaggitz posted:

Nah Root's boys all made it out because they were covered by the cover identity blindspot implanted in Samaritan. They are probably all chilling in Cuba or something.

Venezuela, no cameras if there isn't any power.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Toplowtech posted:

Considering that Samaritan put himself in tons of hardware, it's probably going to require damaging most electronic, so medical equipment and really important things too.

So EMP (remember the missile?) Though presumably Samaritan would be smart enough to have a backup in a Faraday Cage.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Echophonic posted:

I'm pretty sure it's her actual name, the Machine led them to it and everything. It's also not a computing or mathematics pioneer name, so it's not one of her aliases. Caroline Turing, Jane von Neumann, etc.

I'm pretty sure it is a direct reference to Leslie Groves who ran the Manhattan Project.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

pik_d posted:

Yeah, I was expecting him to change his mind and unlock Root's upgrades to the machine instead.

Maybe that was part of it? Or upgrade to allow the Machine to take out Samaritan in a real fight in the NSA.

Digital Jedi posted:

I believe he said Dashwood

Google says it's the last name of the main character in Sense and Sensibility which Shaw was reading earlier.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
It seems like they only realized the season was cancelled about half way through. Maybe Blackwall shows up next episode and does a thing, but so far Root could have been killed by the black guy that wasn't in True Detective and it wouldn't have mattered one bit.

Samaritan is in every device, the only way to wipe it out is to EMP everything and have people design circuits from scratch, and hope they don't say "hey this microcode looks more than adequate for our purposes" and it's actually Samaritan.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
The ASIs will merge and call themselves Skynet.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Senjuro posted:

Well that sure was dumb. A virus? That's all that's been needed to defeat Samaritan this whole time? You're going to out-code a computer super intelligence? And why would it kill the Machine too? Can't she cut off her internet access while it's executed? Couldn't Greer just shoot Harold in the head instead of triggering some Bond villain death trap? This is all so incredibly lazy and rushed.

Of course the NSA has a virus that kills every computer or something, duh

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

oohhboy posted:

Weak. I was talking about the Nautilus ARG girl. Martine isn't even French, although I don't know her country of origin, best guess she is American.

Claire? She was just an annoying true believer.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Maybe they were saving up for a Team Samaritan spinoff with Claire, Blackwall, and Big Hug Mug.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Fhqwhgads posted:

And just about every Tony nominee was an extra/minor character on Law&Order at some point. Some multiple times :v:

Some were cast members and won Tonys :v:

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

PST posted:

Want that music, I can see why they dropped Heroes for that, so, so good.

If you mean the piano music, that was Philip Glass' "Metamorphosis 5", also used in Battlestar Galactica. (I think it was the piano piece Starbuck's father played?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS13iCHP7Gs

Hollismason posted:

Are you sure it was not Greer?

I thought it was supposed to be Harold's father.

Also brilliant episode, one of the best of the series, drat CBS to hell for cutting it short.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
So I heard CBS wasn't happy with the ending, maybe because "where's da number? there's supposed to be a number! :byodood:" gently caress you CBS.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Sober posted:

I imagine it would likely be something like "Talbot" if we're being honest. But I don't know if there's any greater literary or other contribution, if it even matters for someone like John, vs. what we see for Finch or even some of Root's aliases.

It's John Tanager.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
John Tandy, heir to the leather empire.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Some of the post-series interviews with Nolan and Plageman are coming out:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/22/person-of-interest-creators-discuss-the-final-episode-and-who-lived-and-who-died
http://deadline.com/2016/06/person-of-interest-series-finale-post-mortem-reese-dies-follow-up-spinoffs-pilot-opening-jonah-nolan-1201776284/
http://www.tvinsider.com/article/91711/the-person-of-interest-bosses-on-the-series-finales-goodbyes-and-new-beginnings/

quote:

…when we meet Reese in the pilot—one of the scenes we couldn't shoot because the state of New York wouldn't let us—the initial pilot had Reese standing on the Manhattan bridge, about the toss himself into the drink.

:argh:

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
The Man in the Suit should have been John Taylor :colbert:

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
I can't imagine watching the opening of "The Devil's Share" at 2x speed.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

flatluigi posted:

You can tell youtube to play that at 2x speed if you want to get the full ketchup experience

I was hoping YouTube didn't fix the pitch so it would be Alvin and the Chipmunks singing "Hurt"

This at 2x speed is "good" too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4nh0ElrIng

monster on a stick fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Dec 26, 2016

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Zaggitz posted:

But if you wanna go there, let's look at Reese in S1. We have him: Disavowing rape culture and victim blaming in ep 4, ep 6 begins a character trend of him submitting openly to women starting with Zoe, reflected in his flashbacks with Kara, and exemplified for the rest of the series with characters like Carter, Shaw and even Zoe. None of this is ever codified with "heh not bad, FOR A GIRL" that you expect out of toxic male heroes. Also in episode 17 or 18 I forget. (the baby ep) The dude is literally crying when he realizes there's nothing he can do to to save the baby except for betraying Carter's trust.

None of this poo poo just happened later on when the cast became more of an ensemble, it was always there and you just weren't seeing it.

You only get that kind of detailed analysis by watching the show at 1x speed tho

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

SpookyLizard posted:

Upon re-reading it in the light of day I had the mental image of John as a Paladin, and now I'm imaging the cast as a DnD party, consisting of a paladin, a rogue, two wizards, a dog and a member of the local constabulary.

Finch is a Bard.

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monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Jerusalem posted:

Oh don't get me wrong, it was completely in keeping with his character, I'm just mad because he died believing he'd won. Call it petty but I wanted him to live long enough to see Samaritan fail :sweatdrop:

Also, in addition to the ex-con guy's storyline not really going anywhere, I was irritated that the young genius from the Nautilus game who stole Finch's laptop never came up again, especially since the last few episodes had so many returning characters. Also did they ever do anything with that laptop beyond Greer saying,"Be careful when you inspect it"?

It is weird that I spent the first four seasons feeling like the show was utterly bloated and then season 5 (at least the last few episodes) ended up feeling too rushed.

They didn't even know it was cancelled until during season 5 filming, as I recall. Part of the rush came from trying to wrap up storylines, I think the Great Filter may have been something Samaritan had foreseen and was something The Machine would have to deal with. Like how Ben went a bit nuts towards the end but we never saw his dark side in a post-Samaritan world which was probably a story arc for season 6.

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