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Doctor Butts posted:I thought Captain America was created in World War II, not the Civil War. Is this a time travel movie?
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Just got back from seeing it with some buddies. Most of them loved it, one complained that it "had too much plot", I enjoyed it but it didn't blow me away. Spider-Man's scenes were easily the most enjoyable with Ant-Man and Black Panther running close seconds. The action scenes were great but I felt they were space out a little too much, things started to lag between the punchfight scenes. The ending didn't feel completely satisfying and maybe that's colouring my perception of the rest of the film. Zemo had perhaps the most authentic feeling motivation out of all the Avenger's villains but the final act of his GRAND SCHEME felt like a let down. I was sitting there thinking "Is this really the best way to end the film that the writers could come up with?" Honest Thief posted:The idea of Cap being a Civil War vet is ripe for the making, as some what if title or something No, Wolverine is the Civil War vet. Different cinematic universe!
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Pirate Jet posted:Everything I'm hearing about this movie indicates that it's so safe and consequence-free it's essentially a parody of itself. Actually from what I'm hearing it kind of says that Age of Ultron is wrong and you can't actually save all the civilians. Which is really weird considering how much they emphasized that in the previous movie. Much like Iron Man giving up his suits and the ending of Winter Soldier, I doubt it will amount to much in the long run though.
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computer parts posted:Actually from what I'm hearing it kind of says that Age of Ultron is wrong and you can't actually save all the civilians. Which is really weird considering how much they emphasized that in the previous movie. Much like Iron Man giving up his suits and the ending of Winter Soldier, I doubt it will amount to much in the long run though. Yeah the entire plot is driven from both ends because of collateral damage caused during Avengers fights, mostly Sokovia and the opening scene in this film but all their other major fights are also brought up.
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computer parts posted:Actually from what I'm hearing it kind of says that Age of Ultron is wrong and you can't actually save all the civilians. Which is really weird considering how much they emphasized that in the previous movie. Much like Iron Man giving up his suits and the ending of Winter Soldier, I doubt it will amount to much in the long run though. They only emphasized that in AoE because of how much people missed for the forest for the trees and thought the collateral damage in Man of Steel defined it. It was their way of saying "Hah, see, our people care about the civilians!" Civil War's instigating factor is that, rightfully, the blatant dig at MoS was a hollow one, and poo poo was just as damaged/hurt.
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Apr 28, 2016 16:30
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They really should have just named this movie Avengers: Civil War. One of the predictions made in the other thread is true: Tony totally wants to get it on with Aunt May.
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Apr 28, 2016 17:01
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MisterBibs posted:They only emphasized that in AoE because of how much people missed for the forest for the trees and thought the collateral damage in Man of Steel defined it. It was their way of saying "Hah, see, our people care about the civilians!" Which is pretty funny, considering how BvS handled it instead.
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Apr 28, 2016 17:14
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RBA Starblade posted:Which is pretty funny, considering how BvS handled it instead. BvS handled it completely right, though: anyone who worried about the collateral damage over the result was coded was misguided/wrong/missing-the-forest-for-the-trees.
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Apr 28, 2016 17:17
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MisterBibs posted:BvS handled it completely right, though: anyone who worried about the collateral damage over the result was coded was misguided/wrong/missing-the-forest-for-the-trees. You do realise there are actual real world equivalent scenarios where police/armed forces perform sanctioned actions but have to face hearings/tribunals/court if there's collateral damage, right? That this whole "The end justifies the means" argument doesn't actually work in practice?
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MisterBibs posted:BvS handled it completely right, though: anyone who worried about the collateral damage over the result was coded was misguided/wrong/missing-the-forest-for-the-trees. I meant the Abandoned City District and apparently no one being anywhere after 5.
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Apr 28, 2016 17:28
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Woot "it has good action. I liked Spiderman the most. Spiderman's in it for ten minutes." Everyone goes back to talking about Superman.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Woot "it has good action. I liked Spiderman the most. Spiderman's in it for ten minutes." Everyone goes back to talking about Superman. It also isn't out yet in the distant backwater of America.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Woot "it has good action. I liked Spiderman the most. Spiderman's in it for ten minutes." Everyone goes back to talking about Superman. As opposed to "it has good action. I liked Wonder Woman the most. Wonder Woman's in it for three minutes."???? How about we call it even and we stop talking about either film?  Edit: the BvS thread has regressed to arguing about MoS anyway Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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Posting from socialist hellhole Sweden, saw it yesterday. Man, they punched eachother, like BAM and WOOP and they told jokes and human lives actually had worth and they where true to the characters and Spiderman! It owns, basically
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Just saw it in Thailand. I don't really give a poo poo about MCU but this movie was awesome. Just a really solid movie that could be seen as a standalone film and still be enjoyed. Great action, great pacing. I never felt the 2 1/2 hours. Also I was happy that the big Avengers fight wasn't the climax and instead ended on a much more emotional standoff. Really well handled and well written. What a difference good directors and writers make.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Woot "it has good action. I liked Spiderman the most. Spiderman's in it for ten minutes." Everyone goes back to talking about Superman. how can you possibly be this bitter over like the first page of reactions
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Apr 28, 2016 19:13
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I was already looking forward to this, but keeping my expectations sorta tepid after seeing Ant Man & AoU being the last entries I saw from the MCU. Sounds like I can get full on excited about it now. Also yay to know Spiderman is the poo poo (because he always should be fun and great).
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MinibarMatchman posted:how can you possibly be this bitter over like the first page of reactions What makes you think he's bitter?
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Apr 28, 2016 19:26
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This was like an Avengers movie but, you know, waaaayyy better.
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Apr 28, 2016 19:33
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So for those who have seen it, do you feel they did a good job with the portrayal of Black Panther and Spider-Man? Did it leave you looking forward to their solo films? Also how much screen time does Vision's cardigan get? The answer to this may prove vital to how much I enjoy the film.
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:So for those who have seen it, do you feel they did a good job with the portrayal of Black Panther and Spider-Man? Did it leave you looking forward to their solo films? For sure. The casting is impeccable, and although Spider-Man is mostly there for show and comic relief, T'Challa has a solid arc that sets up his solo film. What little they showed of Wakanda looked impressive. Shuri makes a brief appearance too. Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:Also how much screen time does Vision's cardigan get? The answer to this may prove vital to how much I enjoy the film. A couple of scenes, good length. Vision gets way more to do here than he did in Age of Ultron (which is why I forgot he was even in this movie before I went to see it, not after) Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Woot "it has good action. I liked Spiderman the most. Spiderman's in it for ten minutes." Everyone goes back to talking about Superman. I'm entirely baffled at how you get this from an entire page of "here's how the film deals with accountability, here's talk about how the villain, like in many MCU films not involving Ultron or Thor, serves as a motivating factor and metaphor than a fleshed out character. Spider-Man is in it for a little bit I guess, doesn't really do much". Of course Superman is going to get brought up; he was just in a film that considered the same topic as this one.
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I am actually surprised at how excited I am about a new Spider-Man. 1) He actually looks and sells you on being a high school kid. 2) He will get hooked up with some more sweet gear from future uncle Tony. 3) They are hopefully not going to spend much time on the origin story beyond a brief flashback. I think they've talked about that, right? 4) He plays well of other characters in this movie. I'd love a Spider-Man that doesn't just work solo all the time, because we haven't really seen that outside of Spider-Man 3's finale.
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Neurolimal posted:I'm entirely baffled at how you get this from an entire page of "here's how the film deals with accountability, here's talk about how the villain, like in many MCU films not involving Ultron or Thor, serves as a motivating factor and metaphor than a fleshed out character. Spider-Man is in it for a little bit I guess, doesn't really do much". He's trolling. Most of his posts in the comic movie threads are trolling. Do not engage, you make good posts but waste most of your time getting trolled by SMG.
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Just got back from a showing in Taipei. Worth every single 98% it current has on the tomato meter. The contrast between how well developed Black Panther is and how underdeveloped Wonder Woman was is shocking given that both are slated to have their own movie coming up. Even Spider-Man who you knew they'd give a lot to, was really good as well. Zemo was a great bad guy, very true to the books in terms of wanting to mentally and spiritually destroy the team. Loved that the movie actually ended with Iron Man vs Cap and Bucky when it felt like they were really setting the stage to pull a bait and switch right down to "4 heroes enter bad guy lair where we know 4 super powered bad guys are", but it didn't instead it came back to a seemingly tied up plot point and brought it home. I loved the dialogue, I actually enjoyed just watching the characters interact outside their suits. Paul Bettany has the perfect screen presence to play Vision and the movie really did a lot with every little moment each character had. The airport fight scene is really good, the ending fight is also really good. The fight scene from the trailer where Bucky and Cap fight Iron Man should have been how that whole fight was shot but I understand it was probably really tough just to shoot that scene without a cut but I'd love to see them do more fixed shot sequences like that because it looked amazing.
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The movie looks passable (save for all the grey and a distressing lack of America), but you're all making it sound like just an important episode of a TV series.
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:Also how much screen time does Vision's cardigan get? The answer to this may prove vital to how much I enjoy the film. While this is the most important question, I'd also like to know how close Tony is to being Spidey's Uncle Tony. Like is Aunt May definitely getting hit on, or is Tony one Spidey Sense alert from getting caught sneaking out of Casa de Parker?
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It pains my rear end to admit that I'm this curious about it, and don't want to wait, so can someone spoil this for me? Christ, I don't know if I should spoiler block the question for not. Who 'wins', for lack of a better term? I'm guessing it doesn't end with a 1:1 similarity with the original comic.
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MisterBibs posted:It pains my rear end to admit that I'm this curious about it, and don't want to wait, so can someone spoil this for me? Christ, I don't know if I should spoiler block the question for not. The side whose name is in the movie title. The trailer fight scene with Cap/Bucky vs Tony is the end fight and it ends with Cap sticking his shield through Tony's arc reactor and shutting off his power then him and Bucky limp away. Gyges posted:While this is the most important question, I'd also like to know how close Tony is to being Spidey's Uncle Tony. Like is Aunt May definitely getting hit on, or is Tony one Spidey Sense alert from getting caught sneaking out of Casa de Parker? Tony mentioned that he and Pepper are 'taking a break' and it very much plays into his motivations and self-confidence in his actions throughout the movie. The Aunt May thing was just a joke for the scene. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The movie looks passable (save for a distressing lack of America), but you're all making it sound like just a particularly big episode of a TV series. these movies are serialized fiction, while each film can be individually evaluated on its own merits, they naturally invite comparisons to both past and future installments in a way that will be reminiscent of a TV series as that is the closest analogue
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The movie looks passable (save for all the grey and a distressing lack of America), but you're all making it sound like just an important episode of a TV series. http://theyoungfolks.com/review/movie-review-captain-america-civil-war/76890
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Well, judging by the comments that were posted after they were reopened, they should have just left them closed.
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Completely disagree with his assessment of the non-action sequences. I thought each character had a moment that gave you an insight into what they were thinking and doing, the inital debate about the Sokovia accords was really good and the later scene between Rogers and Stark was great as well. I guess maybe he was expecting an ending that had more conclusivity to it in terms of finality but I think the ultimate idea was that the "problem" the characters faced isn't going to go away by them out-punching one another. I really don't know what risks he expected the movie to take. At the end Captain America & co are in hiding in Wakanda while Tony Stark has a 2 man team of Avengers. Did he want a bunch of people to end up dead or something?
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Haven't seen the film myself yet, but from reading the posts (not the spoilers) it sounds like a lot of pro-marvel jokes are going to revolve around comparing the Sokovia Accords debate to the Piss Jar scene in Superman and Batman.
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Hakkesshu posted:For sure. The casting is impeccable, and although Spider-Man is mostly there for show and comic relief, T'Challa has a solid arc that sets up his solo film. What little they showed of Wakanda looked impressive. Shuri makes a brief appearance too. Awesome, glad to hear it! I recently rewatched AoU and realized I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed his scenes, so it's great to hear he'll have a bigger presence. I've also been extremely psyched for the Black Panther film, so I hope your reaction is a sign of things to come! Neurolimal posted:I'm entirely baffled at how you get this from an entire page of "here's how the film deals with accountability, here's talk about how the villain, like in many MCU films not involving Ultron or Thor, serves as a motivating factor and metaphor than a fleshed out character. Spider-Man is in it for a little bit I guess, doesn't really do much". Here we see SMG arguing against the film that exists in his own mind, stymied by his inability to post 300 pages of out-of-context still frames.
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Spoiler question: How's the Rhodey paralysis handled? Because it sounds pretty terrible
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PaybackJack posted:The side whose name is in the movie title. The trailer fight scene with Cap/Bucky vs Tony is the end fight and it ends with Cap sticking his shield through Tony's arc reactor and shutting off his power then him and Bucky limp away. PaybackJack posted:At the end [spoiler] Captain America & co are in hiding in Wakanda while Tony Stark has a 2 man team of Avengers. I may have been unclear contextually about 'winning', so does your second quote mean that Iron Man's side is successful?
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MisterBibs posted:I may have been unclear contextually about 'winning', so does your second quote mean that Iron Man's side is successful? The Accords pass in the first act. Tony loses the fight while Captain America is successful in getting his friend Bucky to safety. Tony returns to Avengers HQ with War Machine who's now crippled and Vision. MacheteZombie posted:Spoiler question: How's the Rhodey paralysis handled? Because it sounds pretty terrible Theater went dead silent when he fell from the sky and landed with a dull thud. Next scene with him he's getting an MRI and the final scene with Tony is him helping Rhodey try walk with some bionics. Rhodey makes a comment about how he went on a bunch of missions and knew every one could have been his last. He doesn't regret backing the accords and siding with Stark even though he's paralyzed because he feels he made the right call; which essentially wraps up how you kind of feel about everyone's POV; they were right but bad poo poo still happened. It's good. It would have been really cheap if they killed him off and it's Vision who blasts him in an act of friendly fire, not Bucky or someone on Cap's side so it's kind of like how the Goliath death in the comic should have been. Someone slips up, ironically the Android that shouldn't be capable of slipping up(this is addressed), and one of their friends/allies/comrades is seriously injured. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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Neurolimal posted:Piss Jar scene in Superman and Batman. What is this exactly?
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