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Spoiler question: How's the Rhodey paralysis handled? Because it sounds pretty terrible
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Apr 28, 2016 21:19
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notthegoatseguy posted:What is this exactly? https://gfycat.com/SecondhandPossibleArchaeocete PaybackJack posted:Theater went dead silent when he fell from the sky and landed with a dull thud. Next scene with him he's getting an MRI and the final scene with Tony is him helping Rhodey try walk with some bionics. Rhodey makes a comment about how he went on a bunch of missions and knew every one could have been his last. He doesn't regret backing the accords and siding with Stark even though he's paralyzed because he feels he made the right call; which essentially wraps up how you kind of feel about everyone's POV; they were right but bad poo poo still happened. It's good. It would have been really cheap if they killed him off and it's Vision who blasts him in an act of friendly fire, not Bucky or someone on Cap's side so it's kind of like how the Goliath death in the comic should have been. Someone slips up, ironically the Android that shouldn't be capable of slipping up(this is addressed), and one of their friends/allies/comrades is seriously injured. I'm more curious about the part where Rhodey gets to walk again, because it comes off has a cheap way for them to build tension with "oh no not Rhodey!" and then do away with it as "he can keep being War Machine because Tony fixed him!" You're description doesn't make it sound like that's the case, but if you don't mind expanding on that part I'd appreciate it.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:54
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Kurzon posted:It would be stupid to have Rhodey confided to a wheelchair when his best friend specializes in making robotic exoskeletons. This means for Rhodey that being War Machine will not just be a job anymore, he's going to be in that suit almost all the time because he can no longer be strong and mobile without it. Pleasures we take for granting like swimming and sex and walks in the park will become alien to him. It would be just as stupid if Rhodey got hurt, then in the next scene we see him he's doing great even with the injury because his homeboy is just that dope. Mierenneuker responded to my concern adequately and lessened my concerns.
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Apr 28, 2016 22:13
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Neurolimal posted:Basically, the film looks like its going to have an extended debate about Superman's role directly through the state, but then it focuses on a jar of piss before the entire building explodes. There's a bit more going on with the scene than this post implies.
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Apr 28, 2016 22:27
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Kal-L posted:What does 9/11 have to do with this case? They were in a building, Rhodes was in a flying machine. Tony's even had a few close calls falling through the air hasn't he?
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May 3, 2016 21:22
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I said come in! posted:I've been assuming every modern day character in the movies and TV shows are going to show up in Infinity War. Not if Ike has anything to say about it!
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May 5, 2016 18:38
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DrVenkman posted:All the movie characters are going to be showing up (I don't know how confirmed that actually is, but the Russos did mention in an interview before that they're looking forward to working with Chris Pratt, so you can at least assume that's the case) but those poor TV folk are going nowhere near them. I'm sure it'll get mentioned though in Season 3 of Jessica Jones or whatever. The Russos said Avengers 3 and 4 (still part 1 and part 2 at the time) would feature 70+ characters.
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May 5, 2016 19:39
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http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/infinity-wars-directors-clarify-how-nearly-70-marv.html “Well, we made a mistake. It’s actually 68,” Joe Russo told the Wizard World Cleveland panel audience. “But yes, there are quite a number of characters in the film.”
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May 6, 2016 04:11
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Kurzon posted:Why didn't she just attack Iron Man directly like she did with Vision? Gotta meet that per movie car destruction quota
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May 6, 2016 22:24
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Cythereal posted:He'll probably either get it back, or simply get a new one. He's in Wakanda now, the source of all the world's Vibranium - Black Panther's suit and claws are made out of the stuff. I imagine Cap's next appearance will be Tony calling him and telling him the current Avengers need the Captain. Tony handing Cap the shield will be a visual "olive branch" to use Tony's own wording.
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May 9, 2016 01:12
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:To be fair to Tony, his instructions to Peter were to web people up but otherwise stay out of the fighting, which of course Parker ignores because he's young and hot-headed and wants to impress his new benefactor. Tony realizes how badly he screwed up when he sees Pete knocked loopy after the fight. Or was forced to ignore Tony's orders because a group of people aren't just going to ignore the guy hanging out shooting webs at people.
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May 9, 2016 16:44
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I said come in! posted:Avengers 1 would still have happened so the world would have been destroyed either way. Would it though? If Thor hadn't have been born, would Loki have been raised with more love and not become a total sleazebag?
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May 9, 2016 18:16
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I said come in! posted:Whoops, yeah I saw the flaw in that after the fact. Would Thanos have just found someone else then? Or would earth even be on his radar if it wasn't for super heroes? What about Hydra and their plans for world domination? The Tesseract would still be on Earth and Thanos would be hunting it. (Cap 1 plot) Halloween Jack posted:I'm pretty sure if Steve Rogers hadn't been born, the world would have been a super-Nazi dictatorship (or more likely a smoking ruin) by that point. This is a good point. Red Skull's plan would have succeeded and we'd be a hell hole planet. Thanos would still come for the Tesseract though, probably sooner than modern day. e: I had forgotten the Tesseract was part of Cap 1's plot, was thinking it was from Thor 1.
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May 9, 2016 18:27
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Red Skull only got his powers when one of his henchmen stole the Super Soldier Serum, if there was no Captain America then there probably wasn't any super soldier program so there probably wouldn't be any Red Skull and without him there wouldn't have been any Hydra. I don't think that's right. Erksine made the first formula while in Germany, and then fled the country.
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May 9, 2016 18:48
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Phylodox posted:Star Lord? Ant Man? Ant-Man is just fixing the original Ant-Man's created problems. Star-Lord is a good example though. Kurzon posted:Thank God the writers of this movie saw sense and lowered the stakes to something more believable. Seriously, Thank God the writers decided to be non-committal to an interesting ideological discussion after hyping the movie up as one. Took a strong spine to eschew the political conversation of the movie. e: Snowglobe of Doom posted:poo poo you're right, I remembered it all wrong All good, happens to the best of us! (and the worst of us, like me)
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May 9, 2016 18:59
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Phylodox posted:The conflict in the movie stems from an Ant-Man, but not that Ant-Man. He did say "directly". Hank Pym is the one trying to solve the problem he created, he just recruits Paul Rudd because he's younger and disposable. You win on a technicality.
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May 9, 2016 19:08
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So brave of Marvel. Finally a dramatic movie that ends with punishing the mentally unstable.
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May 9, 2016 21:15
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I said come in! posted:Bucky made the choice to be put on ice, Steve felt he was overdoing it. Isn't that a big difference from forced incarceration? You usually don't let mentally ill people prescribe themselves.
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May 9, 2016 21:45
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I said come in! posted:I don't think I would appreciate a scene where Steve Rogers starts playing doctor on Bucky. He is stuck in a situation where he needs to make his own choices at that moment. Often times in reality the mentally ill are stuck with just themselves and that means making a lot of questionable choices. It's a good thing they were in a Super Science Laboratory when they had the conversation with Bucky about what's next for him. The conversation couldn't have been about being in isolation being treated by specialists in brainwashing or anything, nope.
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May 9, 2016 21:56
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Gyges posted:Bucky is Sci-Fi programed though. You can't actually say a string of phrases to a person and force them to do things against their will. It's a literary/cinematic exaggeration held over from the cold war and all the sleeper agent stories. And they could use Sci-Fi Medicine to treat him like another character in the movie was getting.
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May 9, 2016 21:57
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TFRazorsaw posted:The fact that the mentally ill don't have any control over their own treatment is actually a serious issue in the community. Fair enough, I apologize if that comment was inappropriate.
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May 9, 2016 22:00
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Gyges posted:Oh, I agree. Especially since he's still down a robot arm and is in a very safe place with his buddy Steve looking out for him. Plus a psychiatrist/psychologist to the super human community would be an interesting addition to the Marvel Movie rosters. I was just pointing out that, no, you can't just throw a standard deprogramming expert at him. Oh gotcha! Cythereal posted:And which he might very well be getting. In the meantime, Bucky feels it's safest for everyone if he's not up and walking around. He made it pretty clear that it's his personal choice that he's too dangerous and should go under until such time as his programming can be removed. But when the writers come out and say they wrote it that way to punish the Bucky character for bad deeds it murkies the water on what their intended message is with that scene. TFR's post does cause me to pause on the subject though because this: TFRazorsaw posted:The fact that the mentally ill don't have any control over their own treatment is actually a serious issue in the community. could be what they are trying to get across with the specific action, but the movie is so non-committal with it's own themes, it's hard for me to read some statement about advancing the prescriptive rights of the mentally impaired into the scene especially when combined with the "punishment" comment.
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May 9, 2016 22:11
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Neurolimal posted:Some of the pro- posts seemed pretty absurd or even offensive; I assume they went in expecting Comic Thread discourse. In spite of that the thread was pretty decent for civil arguments. There were plenty of drive by shitposts in the BvS thread. I said come in! posted:I am hoping Bucky becomes the next Captain America to be honest. That would be cool. Did anyone find the airport fight a bit inappropriate? I like the spectacle, Giant Man, Spiderman, etc., but it felt odd to me that the fight would be so jokey. I get they're pulling punches and don't want to ruin friendships, however, they absolutely wreck that tarmac. Giantman rips a wing off plane, the terminal gets wrecked, small planes are exploded, etc. all against the back drop of them fighting over "accountability" for collateral damage. If they're at the point of actually engaging in combat why do it jest? Especially when the scale of your horsing around can amount to city infrastructure getting destroyed.
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May 9, 2016 23:52
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It was touch football to the point where they established an "end zone". Please explain because I must have missed a line if your referencing dialogue. Antman asking for orange slices after it was over reminded me of playing youth hockey.
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May 9, 2016 23:58
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TFRazorsaw posted:I actually liked the fact that Ant Man was still a wisecracking doofus, and everyone acted like they were still a character in their own respective "movie". Just because he's not in Ant-Man anymore doesn't mean Scott is suddenly gonna realize he's in a different kind of action movie and serious up. You bring all these different kinds of characters together, you have to manage differing tone shifts like that. The problem with that though is all of them do it. It's not just Antman. None of them are taking it that seriously for a major chunk of the fight. I said come in! posted:I think he was referring to the airplane that Steve and Bucky need to get to in order to fly away. That was the end zone. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Midway through, they point to a hangar and basically say "it's game over if you reach the Quinjet." Oh yeah, what you meant should have been more obvious to me. 
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May 10, 2016 00:02
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Well, Antman is really interesting because he almost kills people a couple times totally by accident. You can take Antman out the hood but you can't take the hood outta Antman.
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May 10, 2016 00:06
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BrianWilly posted:There's really a ton going on in this film, character-wise. They could drop the secret word thing within the MCU and no one from the audience would blink or care. There's even a built in explanation, HYDRA is completely destroyed and the only book with that info was destroyed after Cap and Bucky beat Tony. Instead it's to the cryo with him! Also, I just thought about this, every time he completed a mission he'd be put into cryo until the next one, seems like a reinforcement of that concept since they will totally wheel him out when the MCU needs him again.
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May 10, 2016 06:28
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RatHat posted:So Pepper was strangely absent this movie. Were they trying to avoid bloating the budget even more or was it a contract issue? Tony is explicitly asked about this and says they are on a "break" because he couldn't stop being building suits and being Iron Man. e: Zemo found out about it from Winter Soldier when Widow released the documents on SHIELD publicly. It took him until the movie to decrypt the data and find something useful. MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 06:32 on May 10, 2016 |
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May 10, 2016 06:29
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Vintersorg posted:And the giant fonts were terrible and distracting. After the first few I couldn't help but laugh every time one came up. It was like someone involved with post-production read the complaint about BvS not having enough clear establishing shots so someone at Marvel decided the audience should clearly know where people were at all times.
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May 10, 2016 17:01
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Cavelcade posted:Was that really a complaint people had about that movie? Like...what? It was. One of my buddies read a review mentioning it and now it's his biggest knock on the movie. e: It also got brought up in the thread several times.
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May 10, 2016 17:16
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Jenny Angel posted:Even when I try to say something nice about a Marvel movie I end up being contrarian, I can't win Hey now! Your opinion on them is actually pretty interesting, and made me rethink the narrative purpose of the location names. It was just so goofy after the 3rd time while in the theater. less contrarian and more of a enlightener.
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May 10, 2016 17:35
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RBA Starblade posted:To be fair he just watched a youtube of him murdering his family. That'd get anyone salty. That was a pretty weird plug for ID's Cold Case Files.
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May 10, 2016 19:18
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:What kind of crazy logic chain is this? You compare the Avengers to the average person and then immediately bring up breaking bones, extorting money, and murder? That's not stuff you need to worry about from the average person. Maybe he's from Gotham?
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May 10, 2016 19:27
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Terrible Horse posted:The reminds me of a part I really liked, the POV shot through the Iron Man HUD of Cap going apeshit on Tony. Shows how scary he must be to the villains. My favorite shot in the movie is Rhodey's POV after the suit's power is disabled. The utter blackness of it all with tiny windows of the world for him to gaze through really captured the terrifying feeling of his fall.
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May 12, 2016 17:33
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ashpanash posted:The same shot (more or less) was in Iron Man 1. Guess it isn't that impressive then, oh well.
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May 12, 2016 19:45
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Cavelcade posted:No, that was just good timing for him. He had to go there to get the file, he was probably gonna email it to Tony, or set up something else. This just worked out the best way it could for him. It wasn't just good timing. Zemo was hanging out in that secured room waiting for them. e: He even gives himself a dramatic reveal. Tony, Bucky, Cap walk into the room of killed Winter Soldiers, the back wall blackened. Bucky on the left of the frame, the mind control chair in the middle, then Cap and Tony. "They brought you here" A shot of the darkened wall, a window on a door lighting up in the middle with Zemo's face appears. Tony prepares his hand laser and Cap throws his shield, catching it as it bounces back to him off the wall. "Please Captain. The Soviets built this chamber to withstand the launch blast of UR 100 rockets," Zemo remarks. "I'm betting I could beat that" Stark threatens. "Oh I am sure you could, Mr. Stark. Given time. But then you'd never know why you came." MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 00:13 on May 13, 2016 |
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May 13, 2016 00:05
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Cavelcade posted:I mean, yeah, but if they didn't show up his plan wasn't ruined. It's better for him that they did (and it's nicely dramatic that they do) but it's not the end of the world if they don't. Oh yeah, you're completely right there. Should have read what you were quoting. I'm having rough posting day 
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May 13, 2016 01:28
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They're both wrong.
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May 13, 2016 16:08
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Atoramos posted:I'm not sure if there has ever been a conflict in a Marvel movie that had even 24 hours of time to have the UN go 'yup, we approve this' when action was needed. In the last Captain America movie most of the UN would have been murdered. In the movie, Tony is willing to have the rest of the team secretly sign Wanda into imprisonment to relieve the Avengers of the liability of Sarkovia (ect.) when the entire conflict was created by Stark in the first place. Apparently in the comic super heroes making a reality show blow up a school, killing a ton of kids which makes more sense as a moral wedge. None of Tony's points work, and the only time in the entire movie Captain does something morally questionable is the very first time he thinks Bucky might not be the real bad guy and stops him from getting shot to death. I'm torn on how much of Ultron is too blame on Tony. He's building peacekeeping bots and working on AI prior to Wanda's mind messing, but the image she shows him does send him in a spiral of paranoia that ultimately creates Ultron. He's always been a weapons developer though, even after he's just making weapons for Iron Man, it is pretty much all he does. So he was likely to make a world ending weapon at some point that could be used nefariously if in the wrong hands.
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May 13, 2016 17:06
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Guy A. Person posted:This but it's actually gonna be Squirrel Girl with a swarm of squirrels Sorry BSS has already vehemently informed me that mcu squirrel girl can never happen because she's too silly. Case closed.
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May 15, 2016 16:30
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