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Man Dancer
Apr 22, 2008


There's a great podcast interview with Saulnier about the script and the filmmaking process: http://www.theqandapodcast.com/2016...een-room-q.html

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spaceships
Aug 4, 2005

i love too dumptruck

guacamole aficionado

as someone who enjoys throwing bricks at nazi punks and telling them to "gently caress off," is this a movie for me

LORD OF BOOTY
Feb 11, 2015

THEY MAKE SURE YOU AIN'T BOOTY!!!


spaceships posted:

as someone who enjoys throwing bricks at nazi punks and telling them to "gently caress off," is this a movie for me

MOTHERFUCK YES

spaceships
Aug 4, 2005

i love too dumptruck

guacamole aficionado

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

MOTHERFUCK YES

i believe this film may be extremely my jam

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



There's barely any Nazi stuff in this movie. Not Nazi enough.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!


I did Nazi anyone else in this thread complaining though.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



i like that Saulnier said he just picked neo nazis as the villain because he needed a group with ties to hardcore punk that wears combat boots and tends to have weapons on hand.

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"


Plus nobody really feels bad about having to murder someone if they're a Nazi.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Coffee And Pie posted:

Plus nobody really feels bad about having to murder someone if they're a Nazi.

I dunno this movie did manage to make me feel bad for at least one or two neo nazis (more if you count the dogs)

Parachute
May 18, 2003



I guess the alternative would be to make the villains a bunch of hardline straight edge kids and set it at an Earth Crisis show in 1997.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Parachute posted:

I guess the alternative would be to make the villains a bunch of hardline straight edge kids and set it at an Earth Crisis show in 1997.

That's gonna be the DTV sequel

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!


That got me thinking about Daniel choking one of the kids (Tiger maybe?) early on when they mentioned getting drunk before the show, and he said to "shut the gently caress up about it". Is that a thing in the neo-Nazi skinhead movement, where they don't want their members drinking or they don't want other people drinking around them? It looked like they had beers backstage and there was a bar so that was kind of an odd moment.

Also that made me think of how that moment ties into what we find out later. Daniel probably just doesn't want them stirring up trouble with the crowd because he wants the show to go off without a hitch so that he can run away with Emily.

One other thing I was wondering, what was the deal with the baseball bat that they find in the trunk? I get that it was some kind of evidence but it's not really mentioned why it's important.

UnknownMercenary
Oct 31, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


I remember Patrick Stewart telling that bouncer guy that he just saved their asses by telling them about Daniel wanting to run away after he finds the bat. I assume they were going to use it as leverage in case any of the gang wanted to get back at them for leaving.

XIII
Feb 11, 2009


King Vidiot posted:

That got me thinking about Daniel choking one of the kids (Tiger maybe?) early on when they mentioned getting drunk before the show, and he said to "shut the gently caress up about it". Is that a thing in the neo-Nazi skinhead movement, where they don't want their members drinking or they don't want other people drinking around them? It looked like they had beers backstage and there was a bar so that was kind of an odd moment.

I kind of missed this too, but someone (either in this thread or the general horror discussion thread) pointed out that Tiger (or whoever) said something about having been drinking at Tad's (the kid with the mohawk) and something about Daniel and Emily going over to Tad's, which was supposed to be a secret. That's what Daniel was telling him to shut up about, not the drinking.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!


Ah okay, that's one of those moments that happens so fast that it's easy to miss, especially when you don't know the additional info that you find out later.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

TOO EASY

Saw it in the theater and really liked it. Absolutely brutal and really intense. I appreciate as well that the setting is not well tread ground in cinema, and they did a lot to make things feel more accurate. It's interesting that they chose Oregon as a setting as well, because there's KKK history there and the underground punk/metal scene in the Pacific Northwest crosses into a lot of white supremacist stuff like national socialist black metal and skinhead punks. The setting felt real to me, which helped a long way toward the believability.

One minor criticism: Sam's death wasn't made very clear - it was almost blink and you miss it. It was also the second time a dog killed someone, so they'd already hit that note. I thought with her body getting loaded into the truck after not clearly showing her death, she was going to get up later and try to crash the truck. Though to be fair I do like how sudden everything happens - one mistake and you're done.

Loki_XLII posted:

This movie loving owns. I love how almost everything attempted has something go wrong.
Yeah, between this and Blue Ruin, the director is great at using real life awkwardness - your best laid plans can always fail because you can never quite plan on how people will react to you and how others will screw up.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

No whammy, no whammy, no whammy...

Sir Kodiak posted:

I feel like the movie pulls its punches a bit here. For a movie about a punk band, it sure didn't want to show much punk music, including switching to something more atmospheric during the dance montage. Don't know if I'd call it a "punk film" so much as a film that happens to include a punk band as being the sort of band most likely to end up playing for a bunch of neo-nazis.

This movie having no full punk songs except for Nazi Punks gently caress Off is the punkest thing about this movie.

Being played to a crowd of nazi punks no less.

who end up loving their set in the end.

loving hard man. Dug this movie. like a box cutter to the guts.

COOL CORN
Jun 1, 2003




Buglord

ruddiger posted:

like a box cutter to the guts.

I can't stop thinking about that. It was just so... easy.

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"


COOL CORN posted:

I can't stop thinking about that. It was just so... easy.

The lack of a squish sound effect really adds to it, because before you even realize, he's dead.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!


COOL CORN posted:

I can't stop thinking about that. It was just so... easy.

That's the thing that really hits you when you watch the movie, all of the violence is portrayed with a frankness that you usually don't see in movies. It's not over the top to make it comical to lighten the blow, it doesn't linger that long on shots like a Saw movie or whatever, and when the violence happens it's quick and the victim doesn't have much time to even scream or struggle. If somebody gets cut with a razor-sharp box cutter to the gut, they're not going to scream for five minutes as the cutter slowly digs in, that cutter is going to go straight through the soft flesh effortlessly.

Also, I can't remember what actually happened to Werm early on. Do we see him die, does he just leave and not come back? After he was being kind of creepy and menacing backstage I don't recall him being in the movie after that.

COOL CORN
Jun 1, 2003




Buglord

King Vidiot posted:

Also, I can't remember what actually happened to Werm early on. Do we see him die, does he just leave and not come back? After he was being kind of creepy and menacing backstage I don't recall him being in the movie after that.

Someone later on mentions that he was sent home. We only see him leave from the green room.

plz dont pull out
Sep 14, 2011




King Vidiot posted:

That's the thing that really hits you when you watch the movie, all of the violence is portrayed with a frankness that you usually don't see in movies. It's not over the top to make it comical to lighten the blow, it doesn't linger that long on shots like a Saw movie or whatever, and when the violence happens it's quick and the victim doesn't have much time to even scream or struggle. If somebody gets cut with a razor-sharp box cutter to the gut, they're not going to scream for five minutes as the cutter slowly digs in, that cutter is going to go straight through the soft flesh effortlessly.

Also, I can't remember what actually happened to Werm early on. Do we see him die, does he just leave and not come back? After he was being kind of creepy and menacing backstage I don't recall him being in the movie after that.

They take him to some dude's house while they took care of things at the venue. They probably figured he was too heated to act professionally. He was already freaking out the band with his weird murder talk when the other nazis were trying to calm them down and reassure them, which probably pushed them further towards not trusting any of the nazis.

Funny that he's one of the only neo-nazis who gets away because he's the one who hosed everything up while everyone else is stuck cleaning up his mess.


EDIT: ^^^^You see him at the end hanging out at some other dude's place.

justlikedunkirk
Dec 24, 2006


Patrick Stewart's character mentions towards the end that there's tainted dope going around, which implies that he poisoned the dope he gave to pay everyone off so there will be no loose ends. At the end it cuts to someone with a needle in their arm, then pans over to show Werm eating cereal without taking any drugs. So one of these scenarios happened: 1) Werm and his band weren't given bad dope, and go on to live their junkie lives, 2) the band got tainted dope but Werm stays alive since he didn't take any.

Either way, the person who caused the whole poo poo storm got away unharmed. That's life in the Green Room, I guess

Parachute
May 18, 2003



Clevermuldoon posted:

They take him to some dude's house while they took care of things at the venue. They probably figured he was too heated to act professionally. He was already freaking out the band with his weird murder talk when the other nazis were trying to calm them down and reassure them, which probably pushed them further towards not trusting any of the nazis.

Funny that he's one of the only neo-nazis who gets away because he's the one who hosed everything up while everyone else is stuck cleaning up his mess.


EDIT: ^^^^You see him at the end hanging out at some other dude's place.

Dead from a heroin overdose holding a spoon to his mouth (Remember before he and the other guy leave they are given a couple little bags of white powder, which turns out was laced). I love how by the end I forgot about that guy entirely, and his death was really well done - just another mess for the nazi squad to clean up.

Also Imogen Poots trying to make sure "he was out" so she could kill him suddenly without him waking up and screaming/freaking out was brutal as gently caress, wow.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!


Ah okay, when they said the name of that band that Werm was in I thought it was the stage name of a specific guy, so when Patrick Stewart said he gave (the band) some dope he meant he was hoping that Werm would shoot up too. But I don't think that Werm actually shot up, he's eating cereal next to a guy that he doesn't notice is dead. But since he was seen from the side in the dark I didn't notice it was Werm.

So yeah, I guess I'm bad at watching movies

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

No whammy, no whammy, no whammy...

Doesn't matter, dude who's heading to get the cops is going to roll on everyone considering he pretty much knows what's up and seemed genuinely exhausted at all the murder at the end there.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

He was definitely gonna say The Ain't Rights.

Did you not stick around til after the credits to hear what it was?

mary had a little clam
Apr 23, 2003

Well I am
over-fucking-whelmed...


Young Orc

King Vidiot posted:

Ah okay, when they said the name of that band that Werm was in I thought it was the stage name of a specific guy, so when Patrick Stewart said he gave (the band) some dope he meant he was hoping that Werm would shoot up too. But I don't think that Werm actually shot up, he's eating cereal next to a guy that he doesn't notice is dead. But since he was seen from the side in the dark I didn't notice it was Werm.

So yeah, I guess I'm bad at watching movies

That cereal scene is weird since the spoon is just hovering and not moving. He definitely shot up because he's spacing out dreamily like someone on heroin would. But he also wasn't dead, so I'm not sure what the implication is.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!


Anal Surgery posted:

That cereal scene is weird since the spoon is just hovering and not moving. He definitely shot up because he's spacing out dreamily like someone on heroin would. But he also wasn't dead, so I'm not sure what the implication is.

I think the implication was that he was fuckin' hard, man.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


ruddiger posted:

Did you not stick around til after the credits to hear what it was?

I stayed for the credits but either missed or forgot a post-credits sequence...

COOL CORN
Jun 1, 2003




Buglord

Anal Surgery posted:

That cereal scene is weird since the spoon is just hovering and not moving. He definitely shot up because he's spacing out dreamily like someone on heroin would. But he also wasn't dead, so I'm not sure what the implication is.

Darcy gave the guys heroin, then later mentioned that there's a "bad batch of n***** heroin going around"... I think the implication is that he purposefully gave Werm and his friends some bad heroin to kill them. I think what we see is Werm very nearly dead from it.

Blast Fantasto
Sep 17, 2007

USAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I stayed for the credits but either missed or forgot a post-credits sequence...

The credits begin with a CCR song. That's what he's referring to.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Blast Fantasto posted:

The credits begin with a CCR song. That's what he's referring to.

Doesn't somebody else say Creedence when asked that question? That's why that didn't register for me.

Blast Fantasto
Sep 17, 2007

USAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Doesn't somebody else say Creedence when asked that question? That's why that didn't register for me.

No, the other bands given in the green room were Simon & Garfunkel, Prince, Madonna, and (still) The Misfits.

Parachute
May 18, 2003



I liked the Steely Dan and Slayer options myself.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Blast Fantasto posted:

No, the other bands given in the green room were Simon & Garfunkel, Prince, Madonna, and (still) The Misfits.

Then I'm just a drat IDIOT

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

TOO EASY

ruddiger posted:

This movie having no full punk songs except for Nazi Punks gently caress Off is the punkest thing about this movie.

Being played to a crowd of nazi punks no less.

who end up loving their set in the end.

I love the little bit where the big scary dude is like "What was the name of your second to last song? That was really loving hardcore, man."

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012




Saw this last night with my friend and we were literally the only people in the theater. Never had that happen before. Shame that a great indy horror is finally released and it bombs horribly.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


i've decided dead nazis is an extremely good measure for the quality of a movie. obviously this one came through in spades.

Parachute
May 18, 2003



My expectations are so low for horror in terms of fan reception/draw that I'm really happy when the majority consensus of a movie is that it was either "pretty good" or "loving awesome".

My wife and I were the only two people in our large theater to see The Raid 2, which was a good thing because the whole time we were just yelling holy poo poo and karate chopping the air in front of us.

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


to me this thing had a cool undercurrent of putting money in mouth by creating a situation where surf nazis must, in fact, die. active struggle only way to fight fascism, etc, etc. the most unintentionally communist movie of 2016? perhaps

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