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Noxville posted:Sure, the 7/7 connection gets made even more explicit in the print version. does the conservative party have a problem with islamophobia? 100% of respondents said yes.
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Noxville posted:Sure, the 7/7 connection gets made even more explicit in the print version. Wow. How that isn't breaking some kind of election campaign law or press regulation I do not know.
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EvilGenius posted:I do feel for them, clearly not for their cause, but stripped back to raw human experience they've either wilfully or naively entered into this hopeless situation, because their path through life lead them into the hands of ISIS. I don't believe in inherent evil. If these people were born anywhere else, their lives wouldn't have ended in a mobile shed full of incompetence, nor would they be out trying to kill people. The depressing thing is that since ISIS is a major player in a giant, genocidal sectarian war, there are actually rational reasons to join it. If you're a Sunni Muslim in western Iraq or eastern Syria, joining the organisation that keeps you and your family from getting massacred, raped, and eaten* (in no particular order) by Iran-backed Shia death-squads can seem like a pretty good idea, even if it means you'll also be signing up to do the massacring, raping, and eating to innocent Shia civilians. * OK, there's not hard evidence of cannibalism in Iraq/Syria, but they've been literally cooking dudes and posting the videos on YouTube.
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NewMars posted:OP is good except. This presents a certain conundrum, since he hosed a dead pig. EvilGenius posted:I do feel for them, clearly not for their cause, but stripped back to raw human experience they've either wilfully or naively entered into this hopeless situation, because their path through life lead them into the hands of ISIS. I don't believe in inherent evil. If these people were born anywhere else, their lives wouldn't have ended in a mobile shed full of incompetence, nor would they be out trying to kill people.
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Guavanaut posted:See #4 though. The only evidence we have that he hosed a dead pig is in the Daily Mail, which as we know lies. Even once true things become lies once printed in the Mail. DAVID CAMERON hosed A DEAD PIG
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Firos posted:Zac Goldsmith is getting bulldozed on Sunday Politics Its a right shoeing.
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Firos posted:Zac Goldsmith is getting bulldozed on Sunday Politics Got a link?
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Darth Walrus posted:Got a link? Not on iplayer yet, and Zac Goldsmith isn't on it any more.
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Firos posted:Not on iplayer yet, and Zac Goldsmith isn't on it any more. You also need to pick Sunday Politics London
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Firos posted:Not on iplayer yet, and Zac Goldsmith isn't on it any more. Its on live tv, and you can rewind to it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone
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serious gaylord posted:Its on live tv, and you can rewind to it. These newfangled internets are difficult.
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So I was reading the latest bunch of handwringing in the Guardain, and I was hoping the good people of the UKMT could help me out, since I seem to be missing something: is there any concrete evidence at all that Labour does have a problem with antisemitism? So far we've got Naz Shah being hauled up for stuff she said years ago, and Ken, who has no filter at all and is the living embodiment of Godwin's Law. Both of them have been dealt with about as quickly as you could hope for. So where is this insidious poison the left/Labour (obviously interchangeable, delete as applicable) apparently needs to confront? Has McDonnell been quoting from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while I wasn't paying attention? Every columnist seems to have met some unnamed Labour activist/guy in the pub with dodgy views on international banking, but the list of people in positions of power seems pretty short. Sarcasm aside, I'm genuinely curious - when was the last time anyone in the Labour party from local government up actually said something antisemitic?
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Gato posted:So I was reading the latest bunch of handwringing in the Guardain, and I was hoping the good people of the UKMT could help me out, since I seem to be missing something: is there any concrete evidence at all that Labour does have a problem with antisemitism? So far we've got Naz Shah being hauled up for stuff she said years ago, and Ken, who has no filter at all and is the living embodiment of Godwin's Law. Both of them have been dealt with about as quickly as you could hope for. So where is this insidious poison the left/Labour (obviously interchangeable, delete as applicable) apparently needs to confront? Has McDonnell been quoting from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while I wasn't paying attention? Every columnist seems to have met some unnamed Labour activist/guy in the pub with dodgy views on international banking, but the list of people in positions of power seems pretty short. Sarcasm aside, I'm genuinely curious - when was the last time anyone in the Labour party from local government up actually said something antisemitic? There was that Labour councillor who called Hitler the greatest man in history and that Ed Miliband shouldn't be prime minister because he's Jewish.
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It's a Lynton Crosby patented dead cat, and everyone from the 1922 committee to John Mann and the Guardian wants in on the Corbyn-kicking because they all hate him like poison. It doesn't have to be real, it just has to (with media complicity) drown out any positive Labour message for the elections.
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I don't think Labour has a problem with antisemitism. Both Shah and Livingstone's comments smack of poorly-phrased anti-Zionism rather than antisemitism, and anyone who says they think otherwise is an idiot or an opportunist. There is a slight problem with antisemitism in the wider Left, but that's mostly younger activists straying over the line in a bid to prove who's the most anti-Israel and thus most Correct. There probably are some elements on the extreme left that are antisemitic, but they're so small as to be insignificant and they almost definitely aren't going to be interested in joining the Labour party. That won't stop the usual suspects from finding one or two and using them to paint Momentum as Corbyn's Blackshirts, though.
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Firos posted:Zac Goldsmith is getting bulldozed on Sunday Politics I'm shocked the interviewer didn't just toss that Mail column onto the table and just walk away.
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serious gaylord posted:Goldsmirth squirming when put under pressure was lovely. When someone stops defending their views, or stating any views at all, and starts just defending their right to "ask questions" then you know they don't have a leg to stand on. He's not calling him a Muslim extremist, he's just asking the question of whether he's a muslim extremist, and implying an answer, that's completely fine
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I hope Sadiq Khan's first act as London Mayor is to expel Zac Goldsmith from the city, preferably by catapult.
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I don't think labour has a problem with anti semitism either - turns out they're really good at it.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think labour has a problem with anti semitism either - turns out they're really good at it. I thought you supported labour but just hated Corbyn?
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think labour has a problem with anti semitism either - turns out they're really good at it. You're unpleasant.
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Mega Comrade posted:I thought you supported labour but just hated Corbyn? Does that mean I have to support anti Semites?
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Pissflaps posted:Does that mean I have to support anti Semites? Naturally. Didn't you know?
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You claim to be working class so yes you have to support antisemites to eat.
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Dabir posted:You claim to be working class so yes you have to support antisemites to eat. What do you mean 'claim'?
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I mean that as far as we know you could be Viscount Rothermere himself, but you have previously said that you're working class.
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Pissflaps posted:Does that mean I have to support anti Semites? Of course not but your comments suggest you believe its a deep rooted issue with Labour as a whole. I'm just curious if this means you no longer see yourself as a labour supporter.
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I do not believe for a nanosecond that pissflaps is working class
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Namtab posted:I do not believe for a nanosecond that pissflaps is working class Why not?
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Pissflaps posted:I wouldn't say deep rooted, the opposite in fact: it seems to be coming from the top down. Okay so it comes back round to Corbyn and his backers again then?
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Namtab posted:I do not believe for a nanosecond that pissflaps is working class
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Namtab posted:I do not believe for a nanosecond that pissflaps is working class Don't project onto others.
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Mega Comrade posted:Okay so it comes back round to Corbyn and his backers again then? It would help if he resigned.
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LemonDrizzle posted:I thought the established thread position was that anyone who has to work for a living is working class. True but sometimes someone is annoying and so you want them not to be.
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Pissflaps posted:It would help if he resigned. That's not gonna happen before the referendum and I also don't think it would help labour. The official party line being told is there isn't a wide spread problem, Corbyn resigning would be saying the opposite.
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Pissflaps posted:I wouldn't say deep rooted, the opposite in fact: it seems to be coming from the top down. Apparently I missed Corbyn calling for lebensraum and deathcamps.
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