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Jippa posted:Gerry Adams running riot on twitter again. e: 1777 - The code duello is adopted as the proper form for pistol duels in Ireland. It is quickly denounced but nevertheless widely adopted throughout the English-speaking world.
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ronya posted:the catch is pretty straightforward, it is coded in the words "it should be clearer to customers that gratuities are optional"; are you really surprised that Tories entirely endorse the idea of customers dangling the possibility of a tip to prompt Good catch, I think it's the Unite union's enthusiasm over the news that caught me off-guard.
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May 2, 2016 14:04
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Is it bad to say that tips are optional? Otherwise you end up with a situation like in America where employers are excused from paying their staff a decent wage on the grounds that tips are just a regular part of their salaries rather than being a bonus.
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May 2, 2016 14:40
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Tips are bad in the same way that charity and foodbanks are bad. They shouldn't need to exist and act as a bandaid over the real problem. However when Sajid Javid talks about tips being optional I suspect he does not have the same end goal in mind.
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May 2, 2016 14:44
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I thought working in the kitchen was generally even worse paid and hellish than waiting tables? All the places I've worked as a waitress the kitchens were full of 14 year old kids earning £2 an hour and getting yelled at by the chef. Tips definitely shouldn't be counted as workers pay, but I don't really see the issue with splitting it between the front and back staff.
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May 2, 2016 14:52
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Tips are already optional? There's a social obligation but I'm not sure how he's going to diminish that.
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May 2, 2016 14:59
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/726790291546624000 https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/726790257589534720 Slightly more encouraging for Labour. Being beaten into third place in Scotland would suck.
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May 2, 2016 15:02
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Not sure how the Scottish left would spin it either. What exactly did Labour do that makes them worse than the Hitler party?
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May 2, 2016 15:06
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hookerbot 5000 posted:I thought working in the kitchen was generally even worse paid and hellish than waiting tables? All the places I've worked as a waitress the kitchens were full of 14 year old kids earning £2 an hour and getting yelled at by the chef. Splitting the tips evenly between the front and back is fine in principle but from experience the second you create a big pot of money that someone has control over you open a can of worms. The restaurant my partner used to work at did this but it was a tiny business where the head chef owned it with his wife who was also front of house manager, and they obviously then were responsible for distributing the pot among the staff. Long story short there was huge issues with favouritism and generally dodgy stuff. The wife would just treat the tips jar like a piggy bank and take out whatever she wanted whenever she felt like it, while the staff who were more pally with the owners always got a disproportionate cut at everyone else's expense. And because restaurant workers in general - orwell makes this observation in down and out in Paris and London - seen bafflingly averse to any sort of unionisation few complained and nothing ever changed. Tips need to be held independently of owners by maybe some employee committee if they're going to be distributed. Or else just kept by whoever is given them. Of course that doesn't help the kitchen porters etc. Really the whole industry needs reformed entirely because it's loving poisonous atm.
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hookerbot 5000 posted:I thought working in the kitchen was generally even worse paid and hellish than waiting tables? All the places I've worked as a waitress the kitchens were full of 14 year old kids earning £2 an hour and getting yelled at by the chef.
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May 2, 2016 15:08
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What's a tip club? That's the second time I've heard them mentioned, but Google only returns some business networking organisation or thinks I've misspelt strip club.
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May 2, 2016 15:41
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I wish I could just say "hey my waiter/ress was real nice/is obviously working his/her arse off so they should get a little bit more money and then they get the money.
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May 2, 2016 16:03
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I usually pay with my card and then give the waiter/ress a tip in cash 
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Marenghi posted:What's a tip club? It's not a pay-to-work scheme, because that would be illegal. It's a tips club, very different. e: it's okay though, because they've stopped doing the thing that they vehemently denied doing. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 16:12 on May 2, 2016 |
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Universal Jobmatch is completely loving useless. Hardly any jobs on there, and those that are are usually zero hour poo poo I wouldn't touch with a bargepole. It was a requirement that you use it to search for x amount of jobs, though. I didn't give them permission to access my account (and neither should anyone else). It's not required at all, regardless of how much they try to force it on you. I would take in print outs. Eventually when it was apparent that wasting any significant time on that poo poo was pointless and actually counter-productive to getting a job I used used developer mode in the browser to edit the dates for the past two week period and looked for jobs elsewhere. Eventually found one on a completely unrelated site.
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lmaoboy1998 posted:Tips are already optional? There's a social obligation but I'm not sure how he's going to diminish that. I suspect the idea is that a lot of places automatically add tips to the bill, guilt-tripping their customers into paying them. Given that the Tories aren't big on consumer protection either I don't see how it counts as a mark against them, though. If anything it'll help prevent shady businesses guilt-tripping consumers and skimming the tips from the rank-and-file staff, so actually this does seem like a win to me.
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Ddraig posted:Universal Jobmatch is completely loving useless. Hardly any jobs on there, and those that are are usually zero hour poo poo I wouldn't touch with a bargepole. Highfive date editing buddy. It's slightly terrifying how easy it is for someone with a bit of technical knowledge to get around stuff like that, it sucks because it only catches people who make mistakes or who don't know what they're doing, anyone committed to defrauding the state could do so easily.
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the Tories were looking into this only because their PARTY OF THE WORKING CLASS living wage got an entirely predictable reaction of restaurants raising wages by cutting benefits stuff like this quote:The new deal increases basic pay to £7.35 an hour, higher than the national living wage, but cuts overtime from double time to time and a quarter. Unite says most workers will lose out, because they regularly do more than 10 hours of overtime a week. But Seachill said the vast majority of our employees would see their pay improve overall. smells oddly like the JD contract dispute we are, I think, at a logical endpoint of a SPAD somewhere thinking about how to put all the scroungers to work: it implies that zero-hour basic-pay jobs must be relatively more common, and so the nature of mass workplaces must be altered so that they rely less on the handful who do a lot of overtime and thereby cost a lot. this also diminishes the inequality statistics, albeit for entirely the wrong reasons
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OwlFancier posted:anyone committed to defrauding the state could do so easily.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Not sure how the Scottish left would spin it either. What exactly did Labour do that makes them worse than the Hitler party? Not sure about the rest of Scotland but Glasgow Labour are breathtakingly corrupt and incompetent in almost every way imaginable. See for example numerous dodgy land deals around the Commonwealth Games, ruining George Square then spending £100k commissioning a redevelopment plan which was abandoned and ended up with a Police investigation into the whole process and the former Council leader having (alleged) links with organised crime and a massive drug problem. And those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head.
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Rolled Cabbage posted:Khan is basically a non-blairite Blairite. He's pro-cuts to government services and spouts tosh about keepin' r females safe in his campaign crud. He also says he's pro-nationalisation, but my local Labour option for the assembly is a senior manager in southeastern, so er, I'm guessing his nationalisation means 'endless PFI'. peanut- posted:Clear proof that the British public shouldn't be given a say on important issues I mean, I would vote Leave Eurovision despite Remain in Europe, it's not like Eurovision really knows what's Europe and what's not considering Russia, Georgia, Israel and Turkey are all in this contest and very definitely not in the EU. Shout-out to Australia for their future entrees in twenty-something. Regarde Aduck posted:Not sure how the Scottish left would spin it either. What exactly did Labour do that makes them worse than the Hitler party? Though in all fairness I don't know how many people in Scotland actually want Trident to stay or not. That's certainly one of the reasons, even if not the main.
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I work in a very busy bar and I don't know how the waiting staff do it but the night bar staff split all their tips between the 6 bartenders and 3 bar backs that are working that shift, on the night. Everyone likes it because everyone gets the same amount, and the bartenders who, for example, are more chatty, aren't making way more than those who tend to just do a higher volume. Plus if you have a bad night or something you don't get stiffed. It just seems like a nice, fair, equitable way to do it.
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Jakabite posted:I work in a very busy bar and I don't know how the waiting staff do it but the night bar staff split all their tips between the 6 bartenders and 3 bar backs that are working that shift, on the night. Everyone likes it because everyone gets the same amount, and the bartenders who, for example, are more chatty, aren't making way more than those who tend to just do a higher volume. Plus if you have a bad night or something you don't get stiffed. It just seems like a nice, fair, equitable way to do it. That is good, as said before we give like a fifth of a quarter of our tips into a pool at the end of each night which is split between bar backs and glass collectors because there's is a hard, lovely job and also the most important in the pub yet no customer would ever tip one walking past.
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Jakabite posted:I work in a very busy bar and I don't know how the waiting staff do it but the night bar staff split all their tips between the 6 bartenders and 3 bar backs that are working that shift, on the night. Everyone likes it because everyone gets the same amount, and the bartenders who, for example, are more chatty, aren't making way more than those who tend to just do a higher volume. Plus if you have a bad night or something you don't get stiffed. It just seems like a nice, fair, equitable way to do it. This seems like it would just take one douchebag who gives terrible service and gets no tips to ruin the system, since everyone would get pissed off with them getting the same amount as people who work for it. Basically benefits street all over again.
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Yes but if you have one person at work making everyone's job harder that's sort of the thing that you would bring up.
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We don't have glass collectors, that job is kinda shared between the floor manager and the bouncers. Being a floor manager doesn't get you tips, I think, but you clock off early and can have a few drinks on a high discount. Working the cash desk doesn't get you tips either but you sit on your arse for 8 hours and then help with the cleanup.
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jabby posted:This seems like it would just take one douchebag who gives terrible service and gets no tips to ruin the system, since everyone would get pissed off with them getting the same amount as people who work for it. Basically benefits street all over again. I dunno, nobody really keeps track of their own tips unless they're killing it on one night, it's just never really come up before. I think if someone's bad enough that they're never getting tipped, they're probably going to be getting fired quite quickly anyway.
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Only 4/10 more years of Pissflaps moaning about Corbyn and people beating the skeletal horse of "this is bad for Corbyn". I need a drink.
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I would hope not one with a biology department because otherwise that is very easily refutable.
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The stupidest thing in this image is that someone printed out an email and took a photo of it.
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Random Integer posted:Not sure about the rest of Scotland but Glasgow Labour are breathtakingly corrupt and incompetent in almost every way imaginable. See for example numerous dodgy land deals around the Commonwealth Games, ruining George Square then spending £100k commissioning a redevelopment plan which was abandoned and ended up with a Police investigation into the whole process and the former Council leader having (alleged) links with organised crime and a massive drug problem. And those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. There was practically nothing about the Commonwealth Games bid that wasn't scummy as gently caress. The Clydesdale Bank told over 150 back office staff in Aberdeen that they were being laid off citing an inability to afford them, then the next day announced their sponsorship of the Games bid.
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Baron Corbyn posted:The stupidest thing in this image is that someone printed out an email and took a photo of it. Stop the screenshotting of letters. Monitors cannot view "emails"
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May 2, 2016 19:22
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Stop the writing of petitions, words are purely projections of semiotic constructs that cannot actually convey 'ideas'.
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FinalGamer posted:I mean, I would vote Leave Eurovision despite Remain in Europe, it's not like Eurovision really knows what's Europe and what's not considering Russia, Georgia, Israel and Turkey are all in this contest and very definitely not in the EU. See like most Sun readers you're conflating a completely independent European institution with the European Union. The EBU was formed a year before the European Coal and Steel Community, the eldest of the EU's ancestors, and included Lebanon - very much not a European nation - from the beginning. When the first Eurovision was held the EEC was still a twinkle in the eye of bureaucrats negotiating the first Treaty of Rome, and the EBU had admitted Israel and was negotiating to add Morocco, Algeria, and Jordan (unfortunately the Suez adventure and subsequent unpleasantness kept them out until the 60s). Also the EBU has absolutely no opinion on how straight our bananas should be, whether or not we're allowed to torture people for looking a bit foreign, or how much tax you should be allowed to dodge, unlike those other, younger institutions. All it cares about is making sure people in Venice can watch telly without interference from Serbian stations, that your car radio shows the correct FM station no matter where you drive, and beaming the cheesiest pop music possible to the peoples of it's extended family.
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Jakabite posted:I work in a very busy bar and I don't know how the waiting staff do it but the night bar staff split all their tips between the 6 bartenders and 3 bar backs that are working that shift, on the night. Everyone likes it because everyone gets the same amount, and the bartenders who, for example, are more chatty, aren't making way more than those who tend to just do a higher volume. Plus if you have a bad night or something you don't get stiffed. It just seems like a nice, fair, equitable way to do it. You agree on that between yourselves though, rather than having it imposed on you from above.  Brb, gotta tell my haematologist mother that half her career has been a sham.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Also the EBU has absolutely no opinion on how straight our bananas should be, whether or not we're allowed to torture people for looking a bit foreign, or how much tax you should be allowed to dodge, unlike those other, younger institutions. All it cares about is making sure people in Venice can watch telly without interference from Serbian stations, that your car radio shows the correct FM station no matter where you drive, and beaming the cheesiest pop music possible to the peoples of it's extended family. Bolded parts contradicting each other, fyi
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Dabir posted:alright which Student Union is this all of them
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Also the EBU has absolutely no opinion on how straight our bananas should be, whether or not we're allowed to torture people for looking a bit foreign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5kgSeZHfw
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