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Jan 15, 2005

I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but the "hot take" reaction from the media is that Wilmore flopped.

Did he actually suck, or is this the media being oblivious again, like they were with Colbert?

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Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

Fat southern boy shoots home intruder (after missing 11 times) while he was trying to leave with a hamper, and then publicly mocks him.

I think we've hit peak America.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/01/alabama_boy_shoots_burglar_mocks_him_for_crying_like_a_little_baby.html

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

Xanderkish posted:

This sounds amazing and I want to hear more about it.
Porn, politics, and rock & roll are the best ways for non-rich ugly guys to have sex with attractive women. Porn and rock require natural gifts or tremendous effort (also, ugly guys in porn hasn't really been true since the 80's), leaving politics as the seemingly easiest path to success.

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Jan 15, 2005

FAUXTON posted:

poo poo, I imagine House of Cards hasn't helped mitigate that in the least. I recall Boiler Room being one of those situations where a lot of shitters identified with the bad guys. Probably the same with HoC where everyone thinks they're some ~triangulating mastermind~ like Frank Underwood and just glosses over the trail of corpses.
Apparently douchey assholes with slicked back hair in expensive custom-tailored suits wasn't really a thing in Manhattan until everyone saw Wall Street and decided that Gordon Gecko should be emulated rather than despised.

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Jan 15, 2005

Epic High Five posted:

It's this one btw, for food stamps at least

The rest are just people being idiots or willfully ignorant because it literally says stuff like "tax credit" or "deduction" in the name
If you accept the framing that taxes are the government taking money that is rightfully entirely yours (whether or not you go so far as to call it "theft"), then it makes sense that tax credits and deductions wouldn't be considered government benefits. You wouldn't consider someone you walk by on the street to be benefitting you, just because they didn't take the opportunity to rob you.

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Jan 15, 2005

Epic High Five posted:

Things like programs where they literally give you money for having a mortgage definitely is though
But they don't literally give you money. They reduce tax liability. If you think tax is theft in the first place, you're not getting something, you're just having less taken. Of course, the end result is the same, but how a person thinks about it could be different.

quote:

In cases of people with negative income tax percentages it manages to both simply be not having money taken from them AND getting a handout
I would think people that literally get a check in the mail would be less likely to report that they're not beneficiaries of government programs. I mean, other than old people who get SS checks, that they think is coming from some designated account in their name.

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Jan 15, 2005

Luigi Thirty posted:

Trump says that the solution to the national debt is to default and cut a deal so we don't pay 100 cents on the dollar which he could do because he makes deals for a living.
Paul Krugman is going to have a brain aneurysm before this election is over, if this keeps up.

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Jan 15, 2005

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Hillary: Still planning on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/728799703811428352
Eh, it's an okay burn, if it's just a one-off, and they don't try to force a nationwide meme like they did with "Dangerous Donald".

The only thing wrong with it is it can just as easily be turned on her.

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Jan 15, 2005

amuayse posted:

Burma, Iran, China; they all still have significant problems regardless. I'm legitimately concerned by how ineffectual it all really is.
I went to a restaurant yesterday, but I'm hungry again today. Clearly, the chef was ineffectual and bad at his job.

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Jan 15, 2005

Prester Jane posted:

And people thought I was being outlandish when I confidently presicted all the way back in August that Trump would dominate The GOP Primary.
Anyone who pays attention to American politics should have had a Scooby-Doo "ruh-roh" moment when the first few polls came out after Trump's announcement calling Mexicans rapists and murderers back in June.

The chain of events that then transpired were by no means a certainty, but I was extremely annoyed with basically every journalist and web denizen dismissing him as a joke for months on end. His path to victory was clear, and it was built on the same vitriol and anger that has basically defined the past six years in D.C. Of course he had a chance, and there was no clear mechanism in place which would cause him to flame out like everyone kept saying he would.

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Jan 15, 2005

Solkanar512 posted:

Like Erlog said, what is your empirical evidence that Trump wasn't just a flavor of the month at that point in time?
Nobody could have been certain at the time that he wasn't, but everyone was treating him like a complete joke candidate for months. When the first few polls came in a few days after his announcement to run, everyone should have been paying attention. It was clear who he was appealing to, and it was clear they were responding extremely favorably to him. We've had six years straight of Trump's constituency being incredibly influential within the party, despite the party not really doing anything useful for them. Now someone comes by and just says everything they want to hear out loud, instead of through dogwhistles, and doesn't wrap it all in blowjobs for Wall Street (not directly, anyway).

Alarms should have been going off for people earlier. Everyone expected him to just drop in the polls, despite no mechanism in place which would cause him to do so.

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Jan 15, 2005

I'm a bit torn on this. If there is one group in the world that can make the Republican bathroom horror fantasies come true, it's American high school boys. The combination of teenage idiocy and incompetent school administrations could put together the conditions for boys to just start going into girls' bathrooms and harassing them. A few stories will get out about boomers' daughters being bothered by "transexuals" in their schools' bathrooms, and this could turn very ugly.

On the other hand, I feel for the situation that transexual students are in, and this hopefully can make things better for them.

But for things to work out, teenagers need to act in a mature and responsible way, and for school administrations to be reasonable, and I don't have much trust in either of these things.

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Jan 15, 2005

Dubstep Jesus posted:

There are already policies in place against harassing people in the bathroom. All the bathroom laws have managed to do is encourage creeps to "police" bathrooms to ensure gender conformity, which just makes the problem worse. Not to mention the psychological impact being singled out as monsters is already having on trans kids & adults, which is why I'm so glad the Obama administration is taking such a strong stand on this.
I'm with you, and I totally agree when it comes to places like Target or McDonald's or whatever, where one can expect that reasonable adults should make up the critical mass of people, and police are the enforcers of peace (lol, I know) for the few confrontations that occur.

But a high school has idiot teenagers as the critical mass of people, and the main line of enforcement of policies are school employees, who might very well interpret this new mandate as allowing everyone to use whatever bathroom they want at all times. It's not a recipe for good things to occur, unless measures are taken to ensure that this is done well. And a lot of school administrators would love for this to blow up in Obama's face, so I don't really see this being implemented sucessfully across the country without incident.

I hope I'm wrong, and that the main effect of this is that transgender students feel more comfortable in their schools.

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Jan 15, 2005

Party Plane Jones posted:

Yeesh, Trump's butler keeps digging himself in a deeper and deeper hole. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the probable white supremacist/nutjob tree for Trump?
I've now decided to believe that Trump was just a harmless and stupid, if brash, idiot kid. Then, one fateful day, by chance, he purchased the estate Mar-A-Lago, where he first encountered an innocent-seeming butler. But, it turns out, this butler was actually a hateful man, who saw in Trump a potential protégé to mold into a monster.

Basically, the butler is Palpatine, Trump is Anakin, and we are all the jedi about to be wiped out in horrific violence.

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Jan 15, 2005

WampaLord posted:

The bigoted ones who are the ones that are super pissed about men going into women's bathrooms, though? :confused:

They're going to to allow any guy to go into any bathroom just to make Obama/transpeople look bad?
Bigoted men are currently going into women's bathrooms to "check" for transexuals, so yes?

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Jan 15, 2005

fishmech posted:

Whatever will we do when someone can walk into the other bathroom and see people's feet under the stall doors, or maybe watch people wash their hands or do makeup at the sink? :rolleyes:

Seriously, get a grip.
The issue is not really kids needing to use a restroom and just using whichever one they feel like. It is that some high schoolers pay enough attention to the news that a small group of idiot teenagers will realize they can use this mandate as an excuse to get internet-famous by harassing some girls. And at least one school administration out there somewhere will let it happen so they can say that this outrage is all because of Obama and the Democrats, and the media and the people will eat it right up.

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Jan 15, 2005

SedanChair posted:

High school kids actually understand trans issues better than anyone else right now, so if they wanted to do this it would have already happened.
Are these the same high school kids chanting "Trump!" at visiting sports teams that are mostly hispanic?

I get what everyone is saying. I just think that it's entirely possible that the right wing spin on this will be "the president says boys can go into the girls room at schools and cause trouble", and some boys will take this as an invitation and do it, the school administration will react terribly, and people are going to flip out. I hope I'm wrong.

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Jan 15, 2005

Tatum Girlparts posted:

then you loving punish them like you always have

Like, did you know that right this second there's not some kinda Dick Cop posted outside bathrooms keeping this from happening? Funny enough back when I was in school, I'm almost positive it never came up, but if some dude went into the girls' room to hassle women then he'd, ya know, be punished for being a creepy little weirdo.
The news and idiots' behavior are not mutually exclusive - they feed off each other. Normally, there wouldn't be any incentive for boys to go into the girls room, and there wouldn't be incentive for right wing school administrations to convert an incident of boys in the girls room from a minor disciplinary action into a headlining scandal where Obama and the Democrats can be blamed for this latest outbreak of deviant behavior against the boomers' precious daughters.

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Jan 15, 2005

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Oh jesus loving christ. Media attention isn't going to suddenly cause a wave of boys going in the girls locker rooms/bathrooms AND EVEN IF IT DID WHICH IT WON'T it wouldn't be blamed on OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS. Like jesus titty loving christ here dude.
Yeah, you're probably right.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

Spatula City posted:

There was a pretty decent article on Slate...
I didn't think anything could still surprise me in this election season.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

Taerkar posted:

Australia wasn't named, checks out.
As an American that has seen several nature documentaries, I'm pretty sure that getting water in Australia requires taking a bucket down to the local billabong, where one is constantly at risk of attacks from crocodiles and drop bears.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

Radish posted:

I'm really curious what a Trump-Clinton debate is even going to be like. All the GOP primaries were a mess since they all supported Trump's viewpoints but were used to just dog whistling about how the Muslims needed to be deported or that miscarriages should be investigated as possible murder. They couldn't fight against it too strongly since they know that their base wants that and to say otherwise is RINO territory. Also the Right Wing bubble is a fact free zone. Clinton doesn't have that problem and we all saw what happened when the tiniest bit of truth got into the Obama-Romney debates.
The expectations will be so low for Trump that all he has to do is (not) answer questions with non-sequitur Republican platitudes to "win". It will be the Palin vice presidential debate all over again.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

FAUXTON posted:

How will that be reconciled with him spending all week claiming to be a polymath and diplomatic superstar beforehand, and afterwards immediately calling in to CNN and claiming he mopped the floor with Clinton? At least with Palin they were able to hand her the sippy cup full of Coors light and manage the aftermath while she was preoccupied.
Do you not remember just a few weeks ago when Trump was being hailed as "presidential" when he one time called Ted Cruz "Senator Cruz" instead of "Lyin' Ted"?

His pompous, arrogant claims with no substance to back them up are why everyone thinks so lowly of him, and why any deviation from it is considered brilliant politic-ing.

I'm not saying that anyone will change their minds based on Trump simply not being a raving xenophobic misogynist for two hours, but anyone expecting Hillary to wipe the floor with him and for the public to finally recognize him as the charlatan he is will be sadly disappointed when the media and polls show that Trump "won" the debate because everybody judged his performance based on the steepest curve possible.

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Jan 15, 2005

FAUXTON posted:

And I'm saying that you're expecting a raging narcissist not to try claiming victory beforehand and afterwards. Sure, almost anyone else would be letting their people talk about how Hillary is a tenured statesperson steeped in the traditions and inner workings of government so that "the steepest curve possible" became a thing. Trump? Nah. He'll be out there claiming he'll win it in a walk, tweet during commercials that he's winning it in a walk, and go to the news afterwards claiming he won it in a walk. They could show the tape of her clowning on him about how the 14th amendment makes his "just renegotiate for lower payments" plan flat out illegal and he'd still claim he has the secret to doing it legally.
Expectations for Trump are not set by the words Trump says.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

Mr Hootington posted:

gently caress they aren't. Do you not watch the same news as the majority of Americans? Everything he says sets the tone, conversation, and expectations.
If you had asked Trump at any point in the last year if he was presidential, he would have said something along the lines of "I'm so presidential. I'm the most presidential of all the candidates. The other candidates are weak and sad and not at all presidential. I'll be the most presidential of all American presidents."

But the media only called him presidential when he called Ted Cruz "Senator Cruz" one time because he had a single time beaten their extremely low expectations of him based on his past behavior, not based on taking his arrogant proclamations at their word. His boasts actually serve to lower the expectations of him.

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Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

I feel stupid for never realizing that arbitration services by the conductor were included in the price of a train ticket.

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