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Aug 13, 2009



College Slice

BIG HEADLINE posted:

SLI just won't be worth it until things like Vulkan or its eventual successors become more widely adopted/standardized.

Even then, Vulkan and DX12 do nothing to help mGPU setups unless the engine developers go out of their way to design around mGPU. Which is rarely going to happen since engine tech is almost entirely driven by the consoles requirements, with anything PC-exclusive as an afterthought.

IMO the only thing that can save mGPU at this point is ultra-fast interconnects (NVLink/Infinity Fabric) trickling down to consumer hardware and possibly making implicit mGPU viable again.

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Kjermzs
Sep 15, 2007


I'm planning to get my wife a mid level gaming desktop, doesn't have to be anything special. Any recommendations on a prebuilt system? Or a part list someone else has already come up with. I do have a Microcenter about 3 hours away if there is a deal worth traveling for, its what I did with my laptop.

For example, I'm running a MSI laptop with a i7-6700HQ and a 1070 and I think it would be overkill for her. She likes to play things like Civ6 on high settings.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

Kjermzs posted:

I'm planning to get my wife a mid level gaming desktop, doesn't have to be anything special. Any recommendations on a prebuilt system? Or a part list someone else has already come up with. I do have a Microcenter about 3 hours away if there is a deal worth traveling for, its what I did with my laptop.

For example, I'm running a MSI laptop with a i7-6700HQ and a 1070 and I think it would be overkill for her. She likes to play things like Civ6 on high settings.

Micro Center's website appears to be hosed sideways at the moment, but they sell a pre-built "PowerSpec" PC with an B250/i5-7500 and 6GB 1060 for $799, or a Z270/7600K + 1070 for $999 which is basically the thread standard for a "I'm not really keen on building something, halp" suggestion. When their website comes back up again, more often than not they'll ship their prebuilts to you, and even if the option isn't there, it will be within the week.

Harik
Sep 9, 2001


Appreciate the help deciding on boxes for work, I bought 3 and all the parts should be here Wednesday.

Home question: What's a good UPS brand nowadays? I can either buy one or grab an older APC shell and replace the batteries.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!


Harik posted:

Appreciate the help deciding on boxes for work, I bought 3 and all the parts should be here Wednesday.

Home question: What's a good UPS brand nowadays? I can either buy one or grab an older APC shell and replace the batteries.

Cyberpower, Tripp Lite and APC are all alright. Definitely get a pure sinewave model if you buy one. They cost a little more but are more compatible with modern computer power supplies.

Kjermzs
Sep 15, 2007


BIG HEADLINE posted:

Micro Center's website appears to be hosed sideways at the moment, but they sell a pre-built "PowerSpec" PC with an B250/i5-7500 and 6GB 1060 for $799, or a Z270/7600K + 1070 for $999 which is basically the thread standard for a "I'm not really keen on building something, halp" suggestion. When their website comes back up again, more often than not they'll ship their prebuilts to you, and even if the option isn't there, it will be within the week.

Thanks! Their website is still hosed but I'll check it out. I beleive you helped my out with my laptop purchase as well.

Is there significant savings to be had in building the PC on my own? I'm perfectly capable of doing so but will take the lazy route if the price is about the same.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

Kjermzs posted:

Thanks! Their website is still hosed but I'll check it out. I beleive you helped my out with my laptop purchase as well.

Is there significant savings to be had in building the PC on my own? I'm perfectly capable of doing so but will take the lazy route if the price is about the same.

Right now? No. Buttcoiners have spiralled GPU prices into the goddamned stratosphere, and while it's certainly possible to get a 1060 now for MSRP, you pretty much have to get lucky or stab someone who's camping out in your local electronics store since he's got Skippy the Stock Boy on his payroll. Also, RAM prices are at a high-water mark at the moment, and the DRAM producers seem to be enjoying the spoils of that, so prices aren't set to go down until sometime in 2018. Lastly, Intel's panic at AMD finally putting out something that in its second revision could prove to be something that's a credible threat to them means we're going to see consumer-focused six-core processors sooner rather than later, but this means the Z270 board will be the singlemost short-lived, least-upgradable chipset platform I think Intel's ever put out, unless the rumor is true that Coffee Lake will use Z370 and Cannonlake will use Z390.

But since a picture tells the story better than , here's why it's really hard to put together a custom system right now:

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at Jun 26, 2017 around 23:29

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Right now? No. Buttcoiners have spiralled GPU prices into the goddamned stratosphere, and while it's certainly possible to get a 1060 now for MSRP, you pretty much have to get lucky or stab someone who's camping out in your local electronics store since he's got Skippy the Stock Boy on his payroll. Also, RAM prices are at a high-water mark at the moment, and the DRAM producers seem to be enjoying the spoils of that, so prices aren't set to go down until sometime in 2018. Lastly, Intel's panic at AMD finally putting out something that in its second revision could prove to be something that's a credible threat to them means we're going to see consumer-focused six-core processors sooner rather than later, but this means the Z270 board will be the singlemost short-lived, least-upgradable chipset platform I think Intel's ever put out, unless the rumor is true that Coffee Lake will use Z370 and Cannonlake will use Z390.

But since a picture tells the story better than , here's why it's really hard to put together a custom system right now:





Is it just 1060s/1070s that are being hoarded, or 1080Tis too? I'm thinking of upgrading my system later this year.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

Neo_Crimson posted:



Is it just 1060s/1070s that are being hoarded, or 1080Tis too? I'm thinking of upgrading my system later this year.

1060s and 1070s are being bought in droves because even though AMD x70/x80 cards are the best yield/dollar out there at the moment, 1060s and 1070s perform perfectly well at that task also. The reason 1080s and 1080Tis aren't being similarly snatched up for mining is that no current mining algorithm uses GDDR5X correctly, making cards that use said memory too inefficient for mining for what they cost. However, since they're the only graphics cards which AREN'T being snatched up like candy bars in a Willy Wonka movie, their prices are going up anyway because they're kind of the only viable game in town unless you're quick on the "place order" button or have a friend who works in retail who can hide one back in the stockroom for you.

I somehow doubt the buttmining craze will last that long, but Volta cards using GDDR5X and GDDR6 might *hopefully* prevent a run on them at launch.

Ataxerxes
Dec 1, 2011


I would like some advice about upgrading my GPU. I have a GeForce GTX 750Ti and yesterday I had my screen turn weird looking and the computer freeze. When this happened about three years ago my GPU died soon after and this looks it might be happening again.

What country are you in? -Finland
What are you using the system for? -Gaming, some home office stuff.
What's your budget? -At most 250€
If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution? 190X1080, I think.

I am thinking of buying an entirely new machine around December, but if the GPU goes down in a few weeks time I will need to replace it before that.
Other specs: i7 3770k processor, 8GB memory, Samsung 500GB SSD + 1TB HDD.

The actual question is that would a GeForce 1050Ti be a reasonable replacement? Other than the GPU and the SSD the parts are about 6 years old right now.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

The 1050Ti roughly performs on par with a 960 without requiring supplemental power, so yes, it'd be a nice boost over a 750Ti. You might want to check that it's not the actual video cable first, though.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2017 around 06:48

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011


So I bought a hyper 212 turbo that the coolermaster site says works with am4 out if the box


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fsWaSHyTA8

Did I get jipped? Am I supposed to force it?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

underage at the vape shop posted:

So I bought a hyper 212 turbo that the coolermaster site says works with am4 out if the box


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fsWaSHyTA8

Did I get jipped? Am I supposed to force it?

http://www.coolermaster.com/amd-am4...mpatability/en/

Only one SKU of the 212 shows out-of-the-box compatibility.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2017 around 06:56

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011


The one I bought is the first one pictured under air cooling

It says on the front and back of the box it supports am4 too

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

underage at the vape shop posted:

The one I bought is the first one pictured under air cooling

Ah, for some reason I saw "turbo" as EVO. =/

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011


BIG HEADLINE posted:

Ah, for some reason I saw "turbo" as EVO. =/

So what do I do?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.


I just looked to see if there was a Youtube installation video for the LED 212 and couldn't find one.

Maybe you got an older revision of the HSF: http://coolermaster.force.com/pkb/a...4-Compatibility

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011


Which would mean they put an old version in a new ones box. No physical stores near me sell the bracket so I have to wait for it to be delivered

What a boner kill

Actuarial Fables
Jul 29, 2014



Nap Ghost

The older versions don't have the two slits that yours has, so you have the newer model compatible with AM4.

The latch you're having issues with doesn't seem to be fully set in the heat sink. It's sitting up at an angle unlike the other side. Try re-fitting it and see if you can get it to lay flat.

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011


Actuarial Fables posted:

The older versions don't have the two slits that yours has, so you have the newer model compatible with AM4.

The latch you're having issues with doesn't seem to be fully set in the heat sink. It's sitting up at an angle unlike the other side. Try re-fitting it and see if you can get it to lay flat.

It's sitting up because the other side is attached. If I take 1 side off, the other is too short to reach. Looks like just the bracket is wrong then.

underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2017 around 08:33

Ataxerxes
Dec 1, 2011


BIG HEADLINE posted:

The 1050Ti roughly performs on par with a 960 without requiring supplemental power, so yes, it'd be a nice boost over a 750Ti. You might want to check that it's not the actual video cable first, though.

Thanks for the advice. Would a Radeon card be a reasonable replacement also? The last time I owned one was somewhere around 2007. Also, what would indicate that there was a problem with the cable? Blatant wear and tear or is there something I should keep an eye out for?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

Ataxerxes posted:

Thanks for the advice. Would a Radeon card be a reasonable replacement also? The last time I owned one was somewhere around 2007. Also, what would indicate that there was a problem with the cable? Blatant wear and tear or is there something I should keep an eye out for?

Provided you can find one, sure. As for the cable, every time in the past few years when I've had my monitor display weirdly, unplugging and replugging the Displayport cable has fixed it, until it doesn't anymore, at which point I've replaced the cable entirely and it works again. I've gotten into the habit when a friend uses Displayport to tell them to constantly keep a spare cable handy, because they aren't readily available locally, and if they are, the stores charge a small fortune for them. Displayport cables tend to be hardier than HDMI cables, but I've never had a digital video cable *not* fail eventually - HDMI cables are particularly susceptible to failure even sooner than DP cables.

It's also way cheaper to diagnose a potentially bad cable (which can produce 'symptoms' of a bad monitor or video card since it's an inferior and fallible interconnect) than to replace a monitor or video card that might not be broken or worse, is off-warranty.

eszett engma
May 7, 2013


underage at the vape shop posted:

So I bought a hyper 212 turbo that the coolermaster site says works with am4 out if the box


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fsWaSHyTA8

Did I get jipped? Am I supposed to force it?

The cooler isn't centered on the CPU. Shift it towards the PCI slots a bit so that the cross piece on the arm is between the two taller fins.

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011


eszett engma posted:

The cooler isn't centered on the CPU. Shift it towards the PCI slots a bit so that the cross piece on the arm is between the two taller fins.



Yeah I'll get it more centered. Apparently it is supposed to need a shittone of force.

It was off center there because I had the bracket out before I started recording and put it back in 1 handed.

Gyrotica
Nov 26, 2012

Grafted to machines your builders did not understand.

OK, server-building question:

I'm moving from a one bedroom apartment to a townhouse that has gigabit FIOS available and is wired for gigabit ethernet. I figure now is as good a time as any to put together a file/gaming server. Right now I've got my old Z68 (with 6970) powering a combined media server/HTPC/low powered gaming rig, and I want to separate out the server part.

It would seem to me that this refurbished workstation (http://www.servermonkey.com/worksta...sion-t7400.html) would do the trick in spades, and for only about 550$ (I'd be moving my hard drives over, so don't need new ones). Seems like it would be stupidly overpowered for what I wanted, which is kind of awesome. Is this a sound plan? Is there a better way to do this for as much/less money?

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009


Gyrotica posted:

OK, server-building question:

I'm moving from a one bedroom apartment to a townhouse that has gigabit FIOS available and is wired for gigabit ethernet. I figure now is as good a time as any to put together a file/gaming server. Right now I've got my old Z68 (with 6970) powering a combined media server/HTPC/low powered gaming rig, and I want to separate out the server part.

It would seem to me that this refurbished workstation (http://www.servermonkey.com/worksta...sion-t7400.html) would do the trick in spades, and for only about 550$ (I'd be moving my hard drives over, so don't need new ones). Seems like it would be stupidly overpowered for what I wanted, which is kind of awesome. Is this a sound plan? Is there a better way to do this for as much/less money?

Well, how many drives do you want in it? If it's not urgent and 4 drives total is enough, watch for deals on this: http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop...s/poweredge-t30

It's dropped down to $179 for the base config repeatedly. Old servers / workstations are fine, but they tend to be loud, hot, and bulky. Depending on what you're planning to do, you might do better with a super-cheap self build or something like I've done, which is run an Intel NUC as a server for the last couple years. Tiny, low power usage, quiet, but a giant rats nest of cables and ugliness because I'm hanging external drives off of it for the ultimate poor-mans experience.

If you're looking to build one yourself, I'd check out a Pentium G4560 and mobo with 6+ SATA ports. Those giant old workstations don't look like a great deal.

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Gyrotica
Nov 26, 2012

Grafted to machines your builders did not understand.

Twerk from Home posted:

Well, how many drives do you want in it? If it's not urgent and 4 drives total is enough, watch for deals on this: http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop...s/poweredge-t30

It's dropped down to $179 for the base config repeatedly. Old servers / workstations are fine, but they tend to be loud, hot, and bulky. Depending on what you're planning to do, you might do better with a super-cheap self build or something like I've done, which is run an Intel NUC as a server for the last couple years. Tiny, low power usage, quiet, but a giant rats nest of cables and ugliness because I'm hanging external drives off of it for the ultimate poor-mans experience.

Not urgent and 4 drives is indeed enough. I was afraid it might turn out to be hot and loud, which are non-desirable traits. That might be unavoidable though, given that I'm looking for cheap but (relatively) powerful. I can also roll my own pretty easily, so I suppose I should also just look for boards. Surely there's a sweet spot for cheap, relatively powerful but not crazy hot/loud.

PlushCow
Oct 19, 2005

The cow eats the grass


BIG HEADLINE posted:

Right now? No. Buttcoiners have spiralled GPU prices into the goddamned stratosphere, and while it's certainly possible to get a 1060 now for MSRP, you pretty much have to get lucky or stab someone who's camping out in your local electronics store since he's got Skippy the Stock Boy on his payroll. Also, RAM prices are at a high-water mark at the moment, and the DRAM producers seem to be enjoying the spoils of that, so prices aren't set to go down until sometime in 2018. Lastly, Intel's panic at AMD finally putting out something that in its second revision could prove to be something that's a credible threat to them means we're going to see consumer-focused six-core processors sooner rather than later, but this means the Z270 board will be the singlemost short-lived, least-upgradable chipset platform I think Intel's ever put out, unless the rumor is true that Coffee Lake will use Z370 and Cannonlake will use Z390.

But since a picture tells the story better than , here's why it's really hard to put together a custom system right now:



I delayed buying a 1060 card a month ago and now I've just accepted that I'm not going to be upgrading anytime soon. At least at next summer's Steam sale maybe I will be able to get the more resource-intensive games for a little cheaper!

I wonder if I will have an easier time getting the newly announced SNES mini

Non Serviam
Feb 25, 2006

N-n-n-ice m-m-muh-muh-meltdown, f-f-faggot.

Non Serviam posted:

I built my PC back in 2012 and, by and large, it has served me well. Although I don't play a lot, some of the games I'm interested in playing (like the new Resident Evil, Styx 2, Witcher 3, Fallout 4, etc.) are too much for my machine. Additionally, I'm doing more and more video editing, and it can be pretty slow sometimes, particularly because I sometimes handle 4K video.

This is my current setup:
Graphics card: ASUS AMD EAH6850
CPU: Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz 6MB LGA1155 Quad-core
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V LE
8GB Ram DD3

Also an SSD HD, normal HDDs, etc.

Do I need to do a general change of parts, or can I get a significant improvement swapping, for example, just the CPU or the graphics card?

Thanks!

Although A Bag of Milk already provided the following, very useful, advice :


A Bag Of Milk posted:

The GTX 1050Ti would be a great upgrade if your monitor isn't more than 1080p, or the GTX 1080 for 1440p. It might be the worst market for buying video cards ever right now though, honestly not too many other options. 

I'd like to get a second opinion before going down this road.

I appreciate the help. Thanks!☺️

Fake edit : I don't doubt the accuracy of the answer I got, it's just that since I'm kind of at a loss here, I'd like to be sure I'm not screwing up.

ddogflex
Sep 19, 2004

blahblahblah

I've never bought a prebuilt PC before, but through work they're offering what seems like an insane deal and I'm in need of a new desktop PC at home.

Mostly would use this for web browsing, some VMs, and a little gaming.

Would I be better off building a PC or getting this? This seems much cheaper than what I've been pricing out recently. The case is ugly, but I don't really care a ton about that.

It's $839 for a Lenovo Y710. I'd most likely pair this with a 27" 1440p monitor or possibly a 34" UW.

Specs:

Processor
6th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-6700 Processor (3.40GHz 8MB)

Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64

Memory
16.0GB DDR4 UDIMM 2133 MHz

Motherboard
Intel® H170

Hard Drive
1TB 7200 RPM + 128GB SSD

Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB

nigga crab pollock
Mar 26, 2010

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

Paul MaudDib posted:

I can't understand this. If you have a NIB Hyper 212 Evo then yes, you have whatever you need for the i5. Every cooler comes with its own mounting system and you don't need to re-use any parts from the stock cooler if that's what you're asking.

AMD/LGA2011 style coolers sometimes use a bar with a lever that clamps it down. LGA1150/51/etc often have an X-shaped gizmo that you screw down onto a backplate.

i have an amd motherboard sitting in a closet with a hyper 212 on it, and i likely long ago threw away any parts that came with it. if i buy an i5 i will want to use something that isn't the stock cooler, so i can just move it over to my current motherboard, right? there aren't any intel board specific pieces that came with the cooler that i might no longer have, since it has a scissor mount and a dual purpose backplate?

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Blinky2099
May 27, 2007



Blinky2099 posted:

I stream overwatch and play at 144 hz. I drop frames under 144 fps (like 80-144 depending) while streaming despite reasonable stream settings. Any ideas for what I need to upgrade? I'm fine playing overwatch and other games on low, just looking for framerate + stream.

Video Card
: XFX Radeon R9 390 8GB
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core
Memory: 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+
Motherboard: ASRock - Z170 Extreme3 ATX LGA1151

I spent $1k on this build 15 months ago and it's still a $1k build =O

edit: if I simply need to check if I'm CPU limited or GPU limited while playing I'll do that today. I know I'm hitting peak 100% CPU usage but not sure if that's the framerate issue or not

Following up on this; I'm still getting ~120fps fairly often, and dipping below 100 sometimes.

Anyone have any opinions on what I should be looking to upgrade, or my strategy to figure out how big of an upgrade I need to make?

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