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AVeryLargeRadish posted:A few changes I would make: The R5 is a good case but it isn't worth the crazy premium that all fractal design cases have in Aus. With the money saved going for a Phanteks P400s or Enthoo Pro M you can fit in a 960/380, which is a large upgrade.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Is that really going to help for a music production machine where I would assume quiet operation is very important? I did not want to assume that they were using closed headphones vs open ones or studio monitors so I figured building towards quiet operation was more important than the video card for GPU accelerated math or something. No you're absolutely right, I read your reply but only skimmed the first post like an idiot. I would still recommend that for Australian builds you look at other case manufacturers, everything fractal design is inexplicably very expensive here which moves all their cases into price brackets where they are less competitive.
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Techspot did a cool article on memory scaling up to 4000Mhz in a high end system. I've linked the gaming section there as I feel it's most relevant to the average user of this thread. Pretty incredibly, CPU intensive games showed improvements all the way up to 4000MHz. Definitely worth looking at 3000-3600MHz memory for people getting high end systems.
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Given that the 480 is almost the best we're getting out of Polaris (it's 2304 cores versus a full fat 2560 iirc?), it'll be a relatively long wait for the 490 based off Vega. Reports are saying October/November. 480 and the XR341CK is definitely the budget option versus the 1070 and the X34, that's +$150 on the GPU and +$300 on the monitor to get the green team experience. The XR341CK is getting refreshed soon as the XR342CK so I'd definitely wait for that though (even if only for price drops on the older stuff).
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Nitramster posted:Holy hell I got my Fractal Design Define S. I thought the S stood for small, haha, this thing is massive. The S is for silent. The Nano S is it's smaller equivalent.
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WHAT A GOOD DOG posted:Can someone help me find something for my brother? He, against my wishes, bought an Alienware x51 3 years ago. It features things like an external 330W PSU, and a very small case and an absolute nightmare of poo poo to deal with inside of it. If you wait a week you can get him a GTX 1060. It's 120w, comes in blower designs, and is a hilariously big performance upgrade. The 960 would be a much, much smaller performance increase (the 1060 is looking to be twice as fast as a 960) for not too much less.
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Friendly reminder that AMD still has way higher CPU overhead in DX11 and OpenGL, so if you have a lovely ancient CPU it's probably worth looking at a Nvidia alternative.
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junidog posted:Building my first computer, and I have some dumbshit cabling questions (I've got a modular PSU): 1. Use the 6+2 plugs. That's what they're there for. 2. There's no reason you can't use it as an extension. 3. Just leave them dangling, there is no risk.
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Wheany posted:Finally got those mosfet coolers installed. It seems to help a a bit. It takes 1:40 before the first throttling, when it took about 40 seconds before. I would be very careful using that CPU on a motherboard that is not rated to handle it's TDP. It can very easily lead to an electrical fire when the VRMs fail. I wish I was kidding
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Bass Bottles posted:Can someone explain to a computer noob what Wheany is doing wrong to cause a risk like this? Is it something clearly out of the ordinary and easily avoidable?? AM3+ (the socket his motherboard uses) is really old and supports a broad range of CPUs with different TDPs. To avoid having to overbuild every motherboard, manufacturers rate their power delivery systems for certain wattages of CPUs. I don't know exactly what board that they has, but the fact that it came without VRM heatsinks and is throttling after 40 seconds means it isn't rated for his 125w FX8370. It's a relatively easy thing to avoid by checking reviews and specs, but absolutely moronic that you have to. It's easy that the decision is made for you by AMD CPUs sucking, so you can just go Intel and avoid the whole malarkey.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Hello everybody! Go for a XB271HU over the PG278Q. It's a newer model with an IPS screen instead of a TN one, which is a hell of a lot nicer. Also make sure to go for a Fractal Design R5 instead of the R4, it's newer and has noticeable improvements in many areas. Other than that, you're good to go. You're spending more than the average in a few areas, but it's obviously in budget and you'll end up with a hell of a PC 
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I just did two different builds in Phanteks P400S cases. One for a friend, and one for myself (I migrated my current system into the case). It's bloody fantastic for the money. Phanteks build quality, Velcro cable straps, noise dampening, 3 fan 3 speed fan controller, RGB LED controller (with included downlight thing), separated PSU shroud. I'm very happy with it, and I recommend it wholeheartedly for anyone looking in the price range.
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priznat posted:Ever see an Enthoo Evolv in microATX? It looks really great (I've seen some other phanteks cases and their build quality is outstanding) and I have it as my favourite for whenever I do a new build. I haven't seen one in person yet though. I've build in three Evolv mATX's. They're fantastic cases, but they're sorely missing a lot of the newer Phanteks internal layout. This word of a newer model is great, brings the mATX inline with the newer ITX and ATX versions. Phanteks are without a doubt the best case company out right now. The P400s is easily OP/goon recommended good. Especially in Aus where Phanteks cases avoid most of the aussie mark-up that hits fractal design/corsair/NZXT et all.
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If anyone has built a PC recently with a MSI Z170 Gaming or Krait motherboard, check out MSI's site. If you register your motherboard you can claim a code for Total War: Warhammer, a cool and good game.
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Biodome posted:This is great stuff! Thank you, good to know about the overkill. I have a 1440p monitor so I might run it at that instead but it would probably keep up, right? If you have a 1440p monitor neither the 1070 or the 1080 are strictly overkill. Definitely don't go lower than a 1070 if it's in budget, it sits on similar price to performance but the added performance will be very, very appreciated. Hell, even the 1080 would help you out in a lot of triple A games at 1440p, though it is less optimal for price/performance (the 1070 is 75% as fast and 60% of the cost)>
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Bioshuffle posted:My goal is to play GTA V and Fallout 4 at 60fps. I currently have a i5-2500k. My understanding from these threads was that the i5-2500k would not significantly bottleneck games, and that I could get a GTX 1070 and play modern titles without issue. The 2500K is a great CPU, especially when overclocked, but you will be "bottlenecked" in the more CPU heavy AAA games coming out now. With the 1070 you will see big gains from an overclocked 6600/6700K/5820K (in ascending order) and 3000MHz+ memory over your 2500K in demanding titles (TW:W, GTAV, RoTTR, W3 etc). FO4 in particular scales massively with memory bandwidth, so if that's a priority for you I'd seriously consider the upgrade.
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modeski posted:If anyone's able to critique the latest incarnation of my new gaming machine I'd be most appreciative. This in AUD$, so we pay out the arse for everything. I'm debating whether to go for a GTX 1070 or 1080, with the latter being $400 more expensive. I'd like to more to a 1440p 144Hz monitor, and the consensus seems to be that IPS panels are much better than the equivalent TNs. I'll probably wait a couple of months to save up the last few hundred bucks and also see if prices settle down a bit. Buy your GPU off Amazon. Even after shipping and conversion you'll save literally hundreds of dollars. Make sure to only buy from the Amazon.com seller and not a third party, because otherwise you'll get screwed on shipping. I build lots of computers for Aussies and I always buy graphic cards off Amazon.
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xthetenth posted:You mean US amazon? Absolutely. It's basically the only Amazon for Aussies (amazon au is an eBook only deal). I just saved my friend $200 AUD getting his aftermarket 1070 from Amazon US over a local seller.
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modeski posted:I'll look into that. Just wondering about the warranty. Might suck to have to RMA a dud card back to the States, even if it's possible. You can use your local RMA centre. Eg I had an Amazon bought MSI GTX 570 that I got repaired through the Australian MSI RMA service. You can also do returns with Amazon and they pay return shipping.
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The Z170 Sabertooth motherboards are only rated for 2133/2400Mhz memory, as they're marketing towards "maximum stability". Also the dominator platinum um memory kits are pure wank, they're overpriced purely for aesthetics. Unless you really really want the look you can get better kits for half the cost.
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:I just bought this at best buy. I don't want to be a dick but you definitely didn't get a bargain, and you should probably return it if you can.
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well why not posted:Work is keen to buy me a 4k monitor, looking at the Samsung U28E590D. it's £328 on Amazon. PLS and 28" look good to me. Don't wanna break their budget, but is there a better deal in the UK? It's not PLS, it's TN, so the usual caveats apply. Colours will look bad, and you will have colour shifting in the corners of the display due to it being 28" and TN. Really I've never understood the 4K TN monitors, because whatever image quality benefit 4K gives is negated by the shittiness of TN. Have you looked into the P2715Q? It's a nice 27" 4K IPS screen and typically not too much more expensive than the TN models.
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Q_res posted:So, I was just gifted a Dell Ultrasharp U2515H. It's a really nice 1440P@60Hz IPS monitor. I'd really love to use it, but I know my current system can't play games at that resolution. My problem is, I'm not sure it's worth trying to upgrade the video card. Unfortunately I'm looking for a new job, I could swing a new 1060 but a whole system is a good 4 or 5 months away at this rate. I have an i5-750 oc'd to 3.36Ghz, 16GB of RAM, an 840 EVO SSD and a 2GB GTX 760. I know the CPU is going to hold my system back at this point, just not sure if it's bad enough to make a 1060 not worth it so I can use this swanky new monitor... Increased resolution leads to an increase in GPU requirements, but almost no increase in CPU requirements. If you can play a game at 60FPS at 1080p with your 760, you will be able to get 60FPS at 1440p if your GPU is fast enough. Considering your circumstances I'd definitely say GPU upgrade now (the 1060 is great), then CPU upgrade down the track when you can afford it.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Yeah, the 'it boots without the PCIe lead plugged in' thing makes me think there's a short in the PSU. Asus has literally the worst service reputation of any tech company, so I dunno why it makes that list on that merit.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Yeah, but they have localized regional service depots, whereas I still think Zotac will send your poo poo even in the US back to China. Regions can play a big part with service. I've heard only bad things about Australian EVGA support, but they are the golden standard in the states. Luckily we have our retailers responsible for returns/refunds, in addition to the manufacturer's warranty.
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Khablam posted:Honestly, I don't agree. In the mid-range AMD and nVidia are pretty even, with the RX480 being a superb mid-range card, slightly slower than the 1060 but a bit cheaper, and with OC performance exceeding the 1060 making their absolute potential closer. If it is a matter of cost, RX480+freesync is going to be a nicer experience than 1060+no-sync every time. You may prefer to turn down settings to get 90+ FPS but a lot of people would prefer ~60 with a few dips, and in that is where *sync shines the most. I'm a bit confused by this post. The average OC potential of the 480 is completely abysmal, and doesn't even come close to filling the gap with the 1060. It isn't even cheaper, with aftermarket 1060s being available at MSRP and aftermarket 480s (the ones you'd actually want to buy) at $270-300 I agree with you on the Freesync comment, but if Freesync didn't exist the 480 would be outclassed by the 1060 in every feesable way.
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Paul MaudDib posted:You're gonna need benchmarks for that statement. It's certainly not going to be supportable in gaming benchmarks and I question whether it's even going to be supportable in memory-latency sensitive benchmarks like database stuff. The last link is basically what I am quoting. Digital foundry first reported it but it's been tested by a bunch of other sites as well now as well. In CPU limited scenarios in newer AAA games performance increases can be seen from 2133 all the way up to 4000MHz (though it definitely plateaus around 3200MHz), and if you look at the kits they test with and indeed most of them on the market follow a fairly linear increase of CAS latency with bandwidth (2800C14/3000C15/3200C16 etc). I'm on mobile and my touchscreen's freaking out, otherwise I'd get more specific links.
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Jago posted:Is this our group-think opinion here? You're being very authoritative. Moot point as the RAM in question appears to be unavailable anyway. It's really not. RAM is RAM. There are like three companies that actually make the stuff, everything is a rebadge. If you get RAM and it doesn't run at the listed speed, return it. Plus basically all ram comes with extremely long to lifetime warranties because fail rates are very low.
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All the ones that are "regular SSD name + M.2" are just SATA SSDs that using the M.2 physical form factor (confusing as it is). They perform identically to their SATA counterparts, but are a bit more compact at the cost of a M.2 port that you could use for an actually faster NVMe M.2 SSD (such as a 960 EVO/PRO).
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VelociBacon posted:Only mentioning it because I've now seen it on a couple recent pages. Ram speed is really not something to care too much about if you're building a gaming PC. You can find benchmarks online that demonstrate the ~1% FPS gains. I haven't looked into it for rendering and the like but I would have to think most people in here are just gaming and doing light media editing. Many modern games scale massively with RAM speed. In fallout 4 you get great scaling up to 4000MHz+, and in other triple A games you can get good scaling into the mid three thousands. What you've said is the conventional wisdom but it isn't true anymore. Here are DDR4 comparisons up to 4000MHz, and you can find other good reviews from Digital Foundry on YouTube.
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ETPC posted:So I've come into a hefty chunk of money and I wanted to update my system, but I'm worried I'm *completely* overdoing it. Someone tell me if I've lost my mind or if this is a good build or not? Take money from the PSU/Hard drives/Blueray burner/sound card (Christ you certainly don't need that) and put it into a better CPU cooler so you can run that 7700K at 5GHz, a faster kit of RAM, and more GPU horsepower. Those are the things that are actually going to help your game performance substantially. When it comes time to get a new monitor, I'd skip 4K and go for a 1440p144Hz GSync IPS screen like the Acer XB271HU. The resolution decrease is mainly a positive as it is half as intensive on your GPU, and the increased smoothness is massively worth it. The only monitors that I'd recommend over that are an X34 if you want 21:9 or an Asus PG279UQ (4K144Hz HDR) if you can wait and want to go all out.
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Status_Surge posted:i do actually value you helping me out, and i promise on my SA account that i'm not trolling. give me 2-3 weeks and ill make a post on my build. that said i am actually this terrible when it comes to picking parts for my computer. that being said this is what i've revised my build to. Assuming that your major priority is gaming, this build is a lot closer to optimal. Fast cores, fast ram, and fast graphics cards are what actually matter. With your budget, the next logical step is to do a full water cooling loop. A not-insignificant investment (thought I doubt it matters), and it lets you have the best case of near silence and near ambient temperatures. Plus, it looks dope. For monitor, I would either recommend the Acer X34, or the XB271HU. The X34 is an ultrawide, so it is way more immersive and spacious in games, and can play 21:9 content like most movies without black bars. The tradeoff versus the 16:9 XB271HU is that it is only 100Hz instead of 144Hz (though this is a small tradeoff as the noticeable difference between refresh rates reduces past about 90Hz). Do you have a favoured colour combination? Aesthetically there is a lot of freedom between the motherboard/case/cooling loop/etc. If you want just a plain black look and silence this is a potential build PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS IX FORMULA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($388.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-4000 Memory ($194.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-4000 Memory ($194.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 960 Pro 2.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($1299.99 @ B&H) Storage: Seagate Enterprise Capacity 10TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($563.08 @ Amazon) Video Card: NVIDIA Titan X (Pascal) 12GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($1200.00) Video Card: NVIDIA Titan X (Pascal) 12GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($1200.00) Case: be quiet! DARK BASE PRO 900 | BLACK ATX Full Tower Case ($219.90 @ Newegg Marketplace) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA T2 1600W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($384.99 @ SuperBiiz) Monitor: Acer Predator X34 34.0" 3440x1440 100Hz Monitor ($1099.99 @ Newegg) Mouse: Logitech G900 CHAOS SPECTRUM Wireless Optical Mouse ($122.22 @ Amazon) Other: 5.2GHz 7700K ($719.99) Other: Topre Realforce RGB ($269.00) Other: EKWB Cooling Loop ($832.96) Total: $8691.09 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-31 19:37 EST-0500 The mentioned EK water cooling loop is here. The keyboard and mouse are extremely well regarded and my pick (but are, as always, subjective), but I left the headphones slot empty as a great ranger of preferences come into account (we have a really good headphones thread for that!). This is just as far as I could take it with parts in stock, and more reserved aesthetic choices. As Big Headline mentioned, if you want to go crazy and try and find one, the ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier is best in class, and the dual 16x PCI-E slots actually have a measurable benefit for Titan X Pascal SLI. The high end ASRocks are also very well regarded for their extreme memory support, and you could probably try and find some DDR4-4266 for nothing else other than having the literal very best. If you want to go for a particular aesthetic the sky is the limit there as well. E: I feel I should too add to everyone else saying that this is a poor investment, but you already know that 
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Status_Surge posted:so should i go with 64 gigs of ddr4 3200 ram or 32gb of 3733? also if im running 3 Acer XB271HU's will i be better off with just one titan xp? The DDR4-4000 kit that I picked above is on the QVL list for the SuperCarrier, so you know it will work to it's rated speed.
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booseek posted:Thanks! Games scale more with bandwidth, and there is a measurable improvement for 3866 over 3200. At a given ratio of MHz/CL the higher bandwidth is better (3200/16 is WAY better than 1600/8 even though they have the same latency). The latency advantage for the 3200 kit is small and doesn't balance out the bandwidth advantage the 3866 has.
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Mad Katter posted:Thanks for that, the Intel is pretty close to the price point I was looking at, and seems to be available at the shop around the corner from work. The 960 EVO is comically better than the 600p, which is actually a fairly mediocre drive that can get beaten by fast SATA drives in some workloads and often is barely faster. To quote Anandtech: "Anandtech posted:Even with our expectations thus lowered, the Intel SSD 600p fails to measure up. But this isn't a simple case of a budget drive that turns out to be far slower than its specifications would imply. The SSD 600p does offer peak performance that is as high as promised. The trouble is that it only provides that performance in a narrow range of circumstances, and most of our usual benchmarks go far beyond that and show the 600p at its worst.
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