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Murmur Twin posted:And for the sake of helping out here, I have some information (that I wanted to confirm with CPig before sharing): Maybe he visited someone who killed him upon visiting? Is that a thing?
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Absurd Revolver posted:I don't see how claiming watcher and giving us useless information looks like anything but a desperate attempts to displace blame. ##vote Absurd Revolver - the fact that he's not even considering "what if Murmur is telling the truth and I'm trying to get a town PR lynched?" makes me think he's faking an opinion.
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May 10, 2016 18:58
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Whoops. I pulled the voting right from the votefinder post, didn't think to remove the dead one before I cased them!
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May 10, 2016 18:59
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Mayor Glowku posted:Maybe he visited someone who killed him upon visiting? Is that a thing? The explanations I can come up with in order of likelihood are: (a) scum has a ninja (b) there's a bus driver or some other fuckery with targets (c) YPM ran into a PGO and scum withheld the kill / got doctored / poisoned someone
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May 10, 2016 19:08
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It's a really weird time for MMT to claim. I don't really know what to make of it yet.
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May 10, 2016 19:20
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Kashuno posted:It's a really weird time for MMT to claim. I don't really know what to make of it yet. It's a way smaller game than normal - with only 7 players left I don't think there's any benefit in waiting, especially given that my result indicates that something out of the ordinary happened.
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May 10, 2016 19:22
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I also don't like so many people calling out MMT but not voting.
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May 10, 2016 19:23
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Kashuno posted:I also don't like so many people calling out MMT but not voting. Fair enough, I thought it might be too early for a vote. ##vote: MMT
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May 10, 2016 19:26
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I'm at work so I can't do a major read, but MMT is pretty clearly not scum here and that is a pretty clear attempt to get her voted off.
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May 10, 2016 19:31
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##vote absurd
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May 10, 2016 19:39
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Murmur Twin posted:I would argue that D1 lynches almost always hit town, and now the game has a higher concentration of people trying to hunt scum.  Murmur Twin posted:I am a watcher and watched YPM last night. No one visited him. I'm not really sure what to make of that. Murmur Twin posted:It's fine, either (a) I'm lynched and you see I was telling the truth, (b) scum NKs me and you see I was telling the truth, or (c) scum lets me live and risks getting caught watched. I voted for BK because he didn't post any game content, which is as reliable of a method to scumhunt on D1 as any other. Murmur Twin posted:The explanations I can come up with in order of likelihood are: Weirdly timed claim - I wish you had waited for more people to check in for the day first, so we could maybe catch a lie. But the thought process here feels genuine, and I agree that with a small game like this, holding meaningful results close to your chest becomes less useful. That being said, assuming you're not fakeclaiming watcher (risky but possible) I think scum having a ninja is the most probable option (as a direct counter to a watcher). The OP said that roles would be standard, so Occam's Razor. Absurd is looking pretty bad for this immediate push on MMT but I'm not going to put him at -1 till everyone checks in.
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Murmur Twin posted:And I'm more than a little bit suspicious that 4/7ths of the game (Glowku, Kash, AR, AA) started day 2 in full agreement about who they think is scummiest. This also bothers me. I looked back at who YPM cased on d1 - he was most ready to vote out Glowku and AR, notably.
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Right now I'm currently most suspicious of Absurd Revolver and Kashuno. AR makes a big list of posters, and Kashuno made some pretty bad votes yesterday. Glowku doesn't ping me as scum. I think this is the right vote, and yes it's more of a gutfeel based on their post history.... ##vote Kashuno
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May 10, 2016 19:49
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Also neither of them mention one another outside of Absurd responding to Kash's untargeted remark about suspicion on MMT and Kash's unexplained vote on absurd.
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May 10, 2016 19:51
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Also neither of them mention one another outside of Absurd responding to Kash's untargeted remark about suspicion on MMT and Kash's unexplained vote on absurd. I'm voting absurd because they didn't vote MMT after saying they were scum, but the second I mention that it's pretty scummy the way people are doing exactly that, they self consciously vote.
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May 10, 2016 19:56
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also it's funny how I had "bad votes" when I wasn't on the town lynch
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Kashuno posted:also it's funny how I had "bad votes" when I wasn't on the town lynch Just because you're not on the D1 town lynch doesn't mean you are not scum. There was the nonsense with Podima, Myself and then yourself vote then you vote BK, unvote because he dies a lot D1 and then vote Glowku before disappearing at deadline. Didn't seem like you were actually making a conscious effort even with your own obligations. Also your absurd vote feels like bussing.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Just because you're not on the D1 town lynch doesn't mean you are not scum. Bussing in this scenario makes no sense. MMT is getting a lot of suspicion, and the claim isn't going to save her since it could be completely fake. There's no advantage in trying to bus someone here.
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Votecount for Day 2  Absurd Revolver (2): Murmur Twin, Kashuno Murmur Twin (1): Absurd Revolver Kashuno (1): Anomalous Amalgam Not Voting (3): CCKeane, Mayor Glowku, PodimaWith 7 alive, it's 4 votes to lynch. The current deadline is May 11th, 2016 at noon EDT -- that's in about 20 hours, 5 minutes.
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May 10, 2016 20:54
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Mayor Glowku posted:Maybe he visited someone who killed him upon visiting? Is that a thing? Oh I missed this - that's called a Paranoid Gun Owner, but I'm skeptical that we have one in this game. (They're relatively uncommon.) Also that votecount reminds me that everyone HAS checked in. Small games are nice! My current thinking: Absurd Revolver - bad push on MMT today, was cased by YPM yesterday (so could be connected to the NK) and was flying under the radar on d1. Did the classic 'throw shade fast but don't actually vote until called out' scum maneuver. Anomalous Amalgam - agree with their analysis thus far today, and the conversation/argument we had yesterday sorted out in a way that gives me good vibes. CCKeane - need some more analysis and content from you, please check in today. What's your thought process? Who are the scum? Glowku - need more from you today too, was cased by YPM yesterday. Killing someone who fingered you is a classic newbie scum move. Kashuno -  upon reread, has almost no content for d1 other than terse votes and was obviously not reading the thread? Immediately started pushing Glowku and MMT out of the gate today.MMT - uncountered role claim, genuine thought processes. Timing of their claim rubs me the wrong way but that's minor. Right now I'd vote towards AR or Kashuno, pending actual content from Keane and Glowku.
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May 10, 2016 21:11
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Kashuno posted:Bussing in this scenario makes no sense. MMT is getting a lot of suspicion, and the claim isn't going to save her since it could be completely fake. There's no advantage in trying to bus someone here. Also I want to address this separately - I've seen you bus scumbuds hard on multiple occasions, jumping right on when someone makes a case. (Ecco's soldiers game and El Dorado come to mind off the top of my head) The fact that you're trying to argue logically against bussing in this scenario seems fake.
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Pushing glowku and MMT right out of the gate, but vote neither and actually settle my vote on someone else. Having suspicion is perfectly normal, especially given how the BK lynch went.
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NPodima posted:Also I want to address this separately - I've seen you bus scumbuds hard on multiple occasions, jumping right on when someone makes a case. (Ecco's soldiers game and El Dorado come to mind off the top of my head) The fact that you're trying to argue logically against bussing in this scenario seems fake. No one made a case against AR. The only other AR vote is Murmur Twin posted:##vote Absurd Revolver - the fact that he's not even considering "what if Murmur is telling the truth and I'm trying to get a town PR lynched?" makes me think he's faking an opinion. which is pretty much a normal response/could be considered omgus
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Kashuno posted:Having suspicion is perfectly normal, especially given how the BK lynch went. Can you expand on this, please?
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Sure. I decided to take a look at people who seemed to be all over the place first, and we can see that MMT and Glowku look to be all over the board. They were throwing votes at whatever seemed to stick. I didn't even go back and read d1 content at the time, as stated in my post here: Kashuno posted:WOW HOW UNEXPECTED Of the players on the vote, YPM is cleared and I have a town vibe from Podima. This leaves MMT, Glowku, and AA. As stated above, I decided to start with people who were all over the place. We see that Podima had started to say let's lynch a lurker, which is fine in and of itself. MMT votes Glowku in one post, goes to AA in the next, and then settles in on a lurker lynch. Glowku, meanwhile, does not have a serious vote in all of d1. I felt that it was suspicious how they seemed to work well in tandem, choosing BK as the lurker of choice to go afer.
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May 10, 2016 21:25
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Headed to a final. Will post aftee
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gl brah
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Kashuno posted:No one made a case against AR. The only other AR vote is "case" was meant to be a subjective term - you tend to be a quick voter, and I've seen you toss votes onto scumbuds before with no issue when someone starts in on them. It's ultimately a null tell, I was mostly taking offense to your trying to frame bussing from a logical standpoint when I don't think that's actually how you play. Also thanks for the breakdown of your thought process, much appreciated. Kashuno posted:We see that Podima had started to say let's lynch a lurker, which is fine in and of itself. MMT votes Glowku in one post, goes to AA in the next, and then settles in on a lurker lynch. Glowku, meanwhile, does not have a serious vote in all of d1. I felt that it was suspicious how they seemed to work well in tandem, choosing BK as the lurker of choice to go afer. MMT vote sequence was: Kashuno jokevote -> AA vote -> YPM lurker shade -> AR lurker vote -> Glowku vote -> AA vote -> BK lurker lynch, for reference. I see your point about the jumping around and potential coordination, but it's a little  for you to nudge people for tossing votes around.  I just have a hard time getting past my town read on MMT and the lack of a counterclaim.I agree that Glowku didn't do much serious voting at all on d1, and floated over to BK with very little provocation: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3775082&pagenumber=6&perpage=40#post459700570 Let's see what others think. (GL with the final, Glowku)
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Yeah I'm not voting MMT right now and don't plan on voting her for the time being, even though I feel like the claim timing was strange. AR meanwhile was really self conscious about my post.
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May 10, 2016 21:49
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And I'm back at least to phone posting. Sup
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May 11, 2016 01:55
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Kashuno posted:howd the final go I feel sick lol. Absolutely brutal
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May 11, 2016 01:56
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May 11, 2016 02:09
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My phone is dying.
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I am sitting at a computer. ... ... ...so is anyone going to case me? Or anyone else? I still think Revolver is scum.
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Mayor Glowku posted:My phone is dying. So are all of us, slowly.
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Murmur Twin posted:I am sitting at a computer. I'm going to ##vote MMT because you are being a nancy
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Murmur Twin posted:I am sitting at a computer. I'd buy it, but didn't AR also give his YPM read after YPM died? Also isn't AR way relatively new?
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I'm newer. No excuse
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Mayor Glowku posted:I'm going to ##vote MMT because you are being a nancy I'd like to think I'm more Nancy Drew and less Nancy Reagan.
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