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Kyrosiris posted:That said, do take lessons from Kittens Game: glacial pace of play combined with painfully low caps on resources is loving awful. The big issue with Kittens Game is that it's paced like an idle game but isn't really one. The game is clearly designed for active play through and through and even the automation options you can unlock later on are woefully inefficient compared to simply managing your resources yourself. But because everything moves so slowly it's hard to really feel like you're progressing as you spend all your time fiddling with all the resource management. That said, the game improves significantly with an autoclicker of some kind that allows you to actually focus on big-picture macro decisions that impact the growth of your arbitrary numbers. Nobody should have to suffer the hassle of mass clicking craft all beams/slabs/steel/alloys/concrete/etc etc etc again and again and again.
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I just wish Kittens Game didn't go into endless grindy purgatory right when all of its balls-to-the-wall options start becoming viable. I definitely recommend an auto-clicker for that one lest progressing in it starts to become a full-time job.
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Aug 25, 2018 23:58
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Samuringa posted:I thought I'd eventually unlock some automation but I guess I'm jumping to Paperclips then Oh you do unlock automation. And it suuuuuuuucks.
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Aug 26, 2018 21:52
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Devor posted:This experience is so different from mine that we're basically playing different games, and the recent additions of expensive minimally-beneficial multipliers as the PP rewards is very indicative of a lot of the recent updates. I think there are enough cheap boosts in these updates to facilitate newer players so I don't see the problem. The expensive stuff is there for people who can get it. Don't save up for expensive/time-consuming stuff in NGU. It's almost never worth it, and the cases where it is it will be immediately obvious. Simply buy what you can afford. Prioritize EXP gain to be able to buy things that will help you do everything else and don't sweat the big stuff because by the time you need them you'll be in a position to acquire them with less hassle.
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Aug 27, 2018 17:10
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The game keeps listing my optimal ITOPOD floor at 0 no matter what my actual stats are or anything else that affects my game.
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Sep 9, 2018 02:37
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something posted:Are you on the latest hotfix, 403-1? There was a bug in 403 that cause optimal floor to set start/end floors to 0/20. Ah, I didn't see an update so I didn't bother refreshing, wonder how often it actually checks for them.
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Sep 9, 2018 05:15
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Maybe make the normal NGUs still available and buildable in Evil mode but slash their diminishing returns starting point and curve harshly, kind of like how Realm Grinder Ascension levels still let's you use all the old upgrades but at severely reduced effect. Basically they'd still provide a smaller but noticeable boost to players that invested into them before switching to Evil (and could even still be raised if needed) but quickly become outpaced by the new Evil NGUs until eventually they're no longer worth investing energy and magic into.
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Sep 10, 2018 05:36
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Phssthpok posted:Some notable ones from the last several months: Heart of Galaxy is pretty fun in the few hours I dabbled with it, though I'm already starting to get Anno flashbacks given just how quickly it demands complex supply-chan management right from the word go. Pretty interested to see how the gameplay progresses, though it's so dense already that I fear it'll only be something I can check on every so often.
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Sep 11, 2018 05:19
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Investing in energy/magic cap/power is your foremost concern right now, as you need it to facilitate anything else. Completing the early armor sets is also a plus as you get pretty solid EXP and very useful early flat boosts to several important Energy/Magic related stats. The Forest Set and the Cave Set in particular are both very very important, providing roughly the equivalent of ~3000 EXP between both their completion bonuses. And while doing both Power and Cap at a 4:1 ratio is fine, you'll probably be better off leaning just a bit towards prioritizing Power during this time as much of the early game gear provides boosts specifically to Power. Also, if you haven't already, get a level 100 Forest Pendant. That is arguably the single most important investment you need to make in the early game to make the transition to Time Machine gold generation work smoothly.
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I just wanna be able to reserve slots for Titan loot so that I can actually idle Adventure without having to filter everything non-Titan.
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Sep 15, 2018 03:59
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Early on you only really want enough magic power/cap to get to level 1 or 2 in the time machine in a not-unreasonable time frame, anything beyond that is just diminishing returns that aren't nearly worth it when doubling/tripling your gold rate from the jump is more than good enough. You need energy for pretty much everything so focus on that pretty hard.
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tolaziforname posted:I'm kind of confused on where to go in NGU. I'm early on at about 4.5k xp spent, highest boss of 58 after an overnight run. My highest training cap is 381. I hit time machine 3 on my 30m rebirths. I'm farming the cave to level my cheese set. Am I just supposed to be farming XP to keep increasing energy or should I focus on magic? Your most immediate goal should probably be getting strong enough to defeat the first Titan, since you've gotten as far as Boss 58. The gear he drops is definitely better than anything else you can get for a while and he drops significantly more gold than any enemy you can fight in the available Adventure fields. A higher base gold drop for your Time Machine is crucial as the higher GPS cascades into being able to level up augments faster and run more blood magic which in turn lets you fight more bosses for experience in a given rebirth. Aside from that just keep pumping into energy power and cap and bars in any way possible and it'll eventually start paying dividends. Also don't ignore challenges.
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I guess I'll focus on energy and farming xp to get my time machine (energy) to higher levels each run
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Huh, so I'm at Mega Lands now in NGU in the middle of a long rebirth just to grind up adventure stats so I can idle it and max out the gear before going for quick EXP runs into back-filling a bunch of challenges I've been neglecting, and I'm starting to see why there was so much talk about this section earlier in the thread. I'm really not sure where the transition point was supposed to be from Gaudy Gear to Mega Gear without the multiplier from Adventure Diggers and without some of the gear dropping fully boosted. Not unless you spend days grinding out AT levels and NGU stats anyway, not to mention getting the lv 0 sword to 40000 attack from wherever it started on before. As it is in my experience anyway the transition has been relatively painless so far, only about a day total to get to the rough break-even point for idling Mega Lands after leveling up the gaudy set, though I still needed several hundred AT levels and every GPS I could squeeze out for level 22 diggers to get there. Not to mention all the Fruit/Pill stats which add up surprisingly quickly over time. UUG is probably gonna take some work though but if you needed any more feedback about how this part of the game goes with the last several updates, I'm happy to say it seems fine so far.
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Man I had been planning on doing at least two troll challenges today cause I really want that Magic NGU multiplier and accessory slot, and in fact I probably still could, but after the first one I'm like "nuts to that" It's not even hard so much as it's like babysitting a small child and I refuse to do anymore unless I can just blow through them.
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SynthesisAlpha posted:The troll challenge is just a regular rebirth except every couple minutes 4G personally fucks your game up in some way (i assume he does them all by hand rather than having it done via code). I'm a personal fan of the big troll that makes every button have a 75% chance to take you to a random menu instead of the one you actually want, that's a barrel of fun when you have to reassign everything after you inevitably get ruined by another troll  Also getting your blood rebirth wiped out is the literal worst because even the regular trolls can do that so every two minutes you're playing chicken with your own rebirth number. Super Jay Mann fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Sep 19, 2018 |
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So uh, in NGU the listed calculations for Blood Spaghetti and Counterfeit Gold seem to be off? They're both listed as logarithmic functions but it seems you're adding a +1 to those log results without telling us. It's inconsequential for Blood Spaghetti since the bonus just ends up being +1 from what it should be, but for Counterfeit Gold there's a slight but measurable difference in the final result if you're squaring a number +1 higher than expected. In my current rebirth for example I have 585,660,000 blood sacrificed for a 103% gold bonus. Plugging in the numbers for log2(585.66)^2 gives a result of 84 (rounded down) instead though. However, if I do (log2(585.66)+1)^2 it gives me the 103 number the game is telling me. So either the calculation needs to be corrected to match the tooltips, or the tooltips should be changed to reflect this error. Which you decide to do is up to you of course. 
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Sep 20, 2018 07:02
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If you want to do something about building placement/supply chain mechanics and whatnot, you probably want to look at something like Anno as much as you would Factorio. Factorio's gameplay emphasizes aesthetics and interesting methods of automation to achieve a goal with the added subgoal of not getting run over by aliens. Anno (the good ones anyway) are more focused on other aspects like supply-and-demand, resource and space scarcity, and supply chain efficiency (efficiency isn't as important in Factorio because resource scarcity isn't really a thing). Not that I'm advocating any specific approach from these but I think it's useful to look at contrasting examples of gameplay systems in similar genres to see what tradeoffs and what direction in gameplay you want to go for rather than just looking at one game you really like and using that as a primary template.
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I stopped playing RG partly because I reached the end of the current content at the time but also partly because it just became a game of "copy the most efficient build from the wiki for what you want to do and wait"
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Thread, convince me that 50k AP is worth a cute kitty with a cute ribbon 
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Would you say it's worth going for the 50 PP perk to get macguffins from ITOPOD immediately (I'm making about 1 PP every 1.25 hours or so in my current hands-off rebirth and have 19 banked currently) or just keep pumping it into gold and other relatively cheap stuff? The EM Power/Cap perks and both NGU perks are maxed out already for what it's worth.
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For what it's worth Evolve seems to be a lot better about giving you decent options for both active and idle play without arbitrarily locking you into either than Kitten's Game ever was. To give some examples, the marketplace lets you actually balance your economy by letting you easily convert excess resources into the One Thing you actually need without having to wait for said One Thing to tick up slowly, trade routes do basically the same thing except while idle, craftsmen are actually good and quite useful unlike their Kitten's Game counterparts, and any deficiency in basic resources that you can't easily buy can probably be made up for by occasionally pressing the button to loot and pillage, provided RNG doesn't screw you.
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GrossMurpel posted:I finished a monument before resetting just to see what it does. When you're going into space and swimming in morale you're going to want all the morale cap bonuses you can get.
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Sage Grimm posted:I also bounced from Idle Idle Gamedev. The prestiging idea is sound but the challenges are Fan-gated pretty heavily so you aren't changing the game environment enough to satisfy me. Balance is still in the alpha stages of development too, it feels like. Yeah in my current Evolve experience Cement ends up being the single biggest bottleneck in pretty much all stages of the game. Everything else, even the late Space stuff, seems to eventually ramp up in a way where they're no longer holding things up but you never ever have enough Cement.
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