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Seiren posted:So, I have this whole "trilogy" of FFXIII, and I've told myself repeatedly to play through FFXIII-2 before trying to play Lightning Returns. Like, it makes sense, right? Short answer: Yes Long answer: Yes, but you're going to be missing the context for a lot of the returning characters. Pretty much everyone who survived XIII-2 is back one way or another, and not knowing the context for what they've done in the paat can drastically change their portrayal in this game. As an example, Noel has a particularly egregious bit that makes absolutely no sense if you're aware of the events of XIII-2, but otherwise seems okay. I would agree that your best bet is to watch a playthrough of the important bits if you really can't stand XIII-2 as a game. Artix fucked around with this message at 21:47 on May 14, 2016 |
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Or you can just watch the official recap by square enix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CumQFAzxN2w
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I would watch their previous LPs, but the quickest way to catch up is the retrospective trailer square put out when Lightning Returns came out. It's great. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fQrBSO74DzA You don't get the best idea of the cosmology, but it's not like the game offers that either unless you study the datalogs. Edit:darn.
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Tae posted:Or you can just watch the official recap by square enix Even if you did play those games, you should watch this. 4:18 is great. pichupal posted:You don't get the best idea of the cosmology, but it's not like the game offers that either unless you study the datalogs. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 21:58 on May 14, 2016 |
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May 14, 2016 21:53
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I'm hearing a lot about Lightning in the 3rd Birthday LP thread. I hope this game isn't as much of a shitshow as that one.
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The cosmology in a nutshell: Bhunivelze had 3 kids and then buggered off: Lindzei, Pulse, and Etro. Pulse made the world and the Gran Pulse fal'cie, Lindzei created humanity, Cocoon, and the Cocoon fal'cie, and Etro killed herself because daddy didn't love her and accidently became the Goddess of the Afterlife And Also Time, regulating the souls of humanity between the two worlds and making sure Chaos (magical time entropy) stayed in regulation by binding tiny pieces of it to human souls. FF13 happened because Orphan wanted to crash Cocoon to kill most of humanity to throw the soul/Chaos balance out of whack to ruin everything to make the Gods come back. The party stops it, everyone's getting reset into crystal by their fal'cie and then Etro reaches out from the End of Time (Valhalla)and goes "Nah, I like these kids, gonna save em" and in doing so Fucks Everything Up, Archenteron fucked around with this message at 02:36 on May 15, 2016 |
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May 15, 2016 02:34
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Doubtless that made sense to the people writing it... at the time.
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Oh it's even dumber than that. You're forgetting about Mwynn, who is Bhunivelze's mom and grandma to Pulse, Etro, and Lindzei. Big B killed her in a fit of "No, gently caress YOU, Mom!" The reason why BunnyV didn't love Etro was because he accidentally created her to be the spitting image of Mwynn so he backhanded her out of existence to Valhalla where she met Mwynn, who gave her all her powers and made her the god of death to spite Bhunivelze. Basically, the Fabula Nova Crystallis pantheon is the equivalent of the WWE's McMahon family, a collection of scheming, self-centered, spiteful asshats with absolute power over all creation who will gladly ruin everything under their charge if it means getting one up on the others.
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Does... Does that make Caius HHH?
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nine-gear crow posted:Oh it's even dumber than that. You're forgetting about Mwynn, who is Bhunivelze's mom and grandma to Pulse, Etro, and Lindzei. Big B killed her in a fit of "No, gently caress YOU, Mom!" The reason why BunnyV didn't love Etro was because he accidentally created her to be the spitting image of Mwynn so he backhanded her out of existence to Valhalla where she met Mwynn, who gave her all her powers and made her the god of death to spite Bhunivelze. Is this more or less crazy than the Greek pantheon?
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FrantzX posted:Is this more or less crazy than the Greek pantheon? Probably less crazy since we can't have Hephaestus either trying to rape or masturbating to Aphrodite. Then again, we do have Also, I'd have thought Caius would be pre-heel-face-turn The Rock. FeyerbrandX fucked around with this message at 12:45 on May 15, 2016 |
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FrantzX posted:Is this more or less crazy than the Greek pantheon?
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Oh man, this is finally happening. I'm super curious about this game, but for all the wrong reasons. It irritates me on a concept level, being yet another sequel on a franchise that once shunned them, to easily the single worst Final Fantasy game, the title outright shows Motoru Toriyama's creepy, fetishistic obsession for his creation/waifu (which only gets worse now that I've seen part of the game and she's now Jesus for some reason), and overall it feels like something that should not be. Much like XIII-2. Much like everything in the FF series post-10. Seeing the first video, despite Fedule's really weird happiness, did not help that feeling. It starts explaining nothing, in a completely different situation than the previous games, and Snow, one of the very few characters I liked, is now angry and boring because apparently we got DC writing this with their "no fun allowed" mentality. And I thought XIII-2 was a step in the right direction by at least letting you be funny in your answers, if nothing else. I fully expect Sazh to not have any role whatsoever, again. But hey, the battle system looks very interesting and unique. That's a plus. I want to see where that goes, since there's that weird gauge that went from 1 to 5 that didn't get explained and triggered an Overclock or something to that extent, and the new Stagger system looks interesting too. Definitely looking forward to seeing more of this trainwreck.
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Blaze Dragon posted:But hey, the battle system looks very interesting and unique. That's a plus. I want to see where that goes, since there's that weird gauge that went from 1 to 5 that didn't get explained and triggered an Overclock or something to that extent, and the new Stagger system looks interesting too. Definitely looking forward to seeing more of this trainwreck. Oh yes, there'll be much more expounding on this later, but for now a clarification: that gauge doesn't "fill up" (at least not during fights), it just tells you how many EP you have left. You can burn 2 EP to Overclock whenever you want, which will grant you about 5 seconds of free moves and leave you with full ATB after.
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 Update 2: Home Sweet Hope (Polsy) Music The Ark Datalogs  quote:People: Hope Estheim  quote:Legends and History: The Ark  quote:Mythology: Almighty Bhunivelze  quote:Mythology: The Destruction of the Old World  quote:Mythology: Creating a New World  quote:Mythology: Of Gods and Fal'Cie  quote:Mythology: The Goddess Etro and Valhalla  quote:Legends and History: The Chaos
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There is a reason why Bhunivelze can't just click his fingers and do everything in a moment being God and all, this game does explain stuff but it takes its time in doing so.
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With a 6 AM curfew, I'm willing to bet that at least one sidequest pulls a Dead Rising style dick move. You know the sort, something that pops up at the last (not literal) minute and is only available before the deadline. I've only ever played like an hour of this game, so that's pure conjecture on my part. But come on, that's exactly the sort of thing you'd expect a designer to do in a game with time limits.
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Judge Tesla posted:There is a reason why Bhunivelze can't just click his fingers and do everything in a moment being God and all, this game does explain stuff but it takes its time in doing so. Artix posted:The Chaos gives birth to monsters and is the mystical source of a certain kind of seed. It appears like a dark mist to human eyes, but surprisingly, it cannot be seen by God. That is why it is sometimes called the unseen Chaos. Many believe that when a human dies, his or her soul returns to the sea of Chaos. Is the explanation that Bhunivelze is the one causing it? Come on, "Cannot be seen by God."? That's either A) an obvious lie, or B) Because it is him.
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DoubleNegative posted:With a 6 AM curfew, I'm willing to bet that at least one sidequest pulls a Dead Rising style dick move. You know the sort, something that pops up at the last (not literal) minute and is only available before the deadline. It's really not that bad. There are things that are time-based, but they ususally have a pretty wide window to get them done. I won't go into detail here, since I'm sure Artix and Fedule will talk about time and time-sensitive events in the next update. What seems to make most people shun this game is the seemingly tight time-limit (7 days) you start with, which makes them think they'll never get the essential things done in time. In reality you often run out of things to do long before time runs out.
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Asparagus32 posted:It's really not that bad. There are things that are time-based, but they ususally have a pretty wide window to get them done. I won't go into detail here, since I'm sure Artix and Fedule will talk about time and time-sensitive events in the next update. Even better than that; several aspects of the game get markedly better the longer you let them sit. Like, monsters drop much better stuff as time goes on, etc.
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I love this game.  I was a fan of 13-1 and enjoyed the heck out 13-2, but I think LR is the one game of the three that I actually have a ridiculous amount of respect for. I didn't expect to enjoy playing this game as much as I did, it's seriously fun.I'm also a huge sucker for game soundtracks and this games OST is AMAZING.
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Make a manboy out of an established character with half his memories, have another be an emotionless killing machine, and forget the advances that humanity has accomplished in the prequel. Now build a game around Lightning.
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Yeah the time pressure really isn't bad in this game my first time through I got 100% of everything done by day 6, and I think I failed 1 side quest die to scheduling and that was one of the only ones that were time sensitive. You could easily 100% this game by day 3 or 4 if you know what your doing.
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There's one side quest which goes over several days. If you don't find that one till day 10 or something, you're kinda screwed. It's not that easy to miss, but I somehow managed to do so. Luckily, I found it just in time to finish it on the last possible chance.
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Customising stuff is great in this, you can set up some completely nutty stuff. You missed an important part of schemata customization and I hope you will come back to it though.
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Tae posted:Or you can just watch the official recap by square enix I'm still disappointed this video didn't do something like this:  For the triple bahamut. They had 3 different usable bahamut sprites that they just had to recolor.  On-topic, this kinda customization is incredibly my jam and more games need to give you this much control over your characters, colors and all.
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This game is like X-2 for me in that I can forgive many sins because the thing is just so damned fun to play. The battle system and schematic stuff is really fun to screw around with. The plot is mindfuckingly insane, but what else are you going to do when you're trying to wrap up this clusterfuck of a series after what XIII-2 did. The storytelling is pretty batshit insane, but I have to say that I was actually really intrigued by and ended up enjoying the metaplot once it all came together. Though, that could just be the comparative religion major in me talking. Also, this particular version of Lightning is pretty great.
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Update 3: Claire Farron - Ace Investigator (Polsy) Music The Evil Savior The Sleeping City (Luxerion - Night) Datalogs  quote:Locations: Luxerion, City of Light  quote:Legends and History: The Order of Salvation  quote:Legends and History: The Children of Etro  quote:Legends and History: The Shadow Hunter  quote:Mythology: Saving Souls Artix fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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IIIRC someone in KFJ's Lightning Returns thread said that the Japanese VA for Lightning actually had a lot of emotion in her delivery that simply wasn't there in the English version of the previous two games. In Lightning Returns, that's slightly switched in that Japanese VA is subdued and English actually has a personality.
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whowhatwhere posted:IIIRC someone in KFJ's Lightning Returns thread said that the Japanese VA for Lightning actually had a lot of emotion in her delivery that simply wasn't there in the English version of the previous two games. In Lightning Returns, that's slightly switched in that Japanese VA is subdued and English actually has a personality. It's probably like an intersecting line graph in terms of their respective interest in continuing the role. Maaya Sakamoto probably got tired of playing Lightning, whereas Ali Hillis loves the poo poo out of Lightning so much she got a l'Cie brand tattoo.
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Okay, so I loved how you ended the episode staring at our "favorite" red/gold choco-person, but I do have a question regarding said person. Chocolina reacts to Lightning in an interesting way as if she knew her from before. Is this just because she hung out in Sazh's hair all throughout FFXIII? I ask because I don't remember Chocolina's human form ever running into Lightning.
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Props to Fedule for doing 3 lps simultaneously. It's a level of insanity we can only dream of.
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I remember absolutely hating this game until the battle system finally clicked for me. In that respect its sort of reminiscent of FF8 in that the story is mostly garbage but there's a lot of fun to be had in mastering and messing with the system. I'm sure you will touch on it later but I remember there being one really good reason to do random battles. You can basically pause the world clock indefinitely if you manage the random battles properly
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Magic Pants posted:Props to Fedule for doing 3 lps simultaneously. It's a level of insanity we can only dream of. Okay... Completely unrelated but I honestly thought this was me posting for a second. There can only be one king.
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Maybe Lightning has two masters, if she is missing something without realizing it.Magic Pants posted:Props to Fedule for doing 3 lps simultaneously. It's a level of insanity we can only dream of.
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nine-gear crow posted:It's probably like an intersecting line graph in terms of their respective interest in continuing the role. Maaya Sakamoto probably got tired of playing Lightning, whereas Ali Hillis loves the poo poo out of Lightning so much she got a l'Cie brand tattoo. I'll say, more than half her Tweets are her retweeting Lightning/Liara fanart, its pretty cool.
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Magic Pants posted:Props to Fedule for doing 3 lps simultaneously. It's a level of insanity we can only dream of. Fedule is doing like, half an LP. VLR hasn't updated in months, FFCC is completely recorded and just needs to be chopped up, and the only thing he does for this LP is show up and talk. GMArcturus posted:Okay, so I loved how you ended the episode staring at our "favorite" red/gold choco-person, but I do have a question regarding said person. Chocolina reacts to Lightning in an interesting way as if she knew her from before. Is this just because she hung out in Sazh's hair all throughout FFXIII? I ask because I don't remember Chocolina's human form ever running into Lightning. That's because she hasn't. I suppose I'm going to ruin tomorrow's update now, but her response to Chocolina is basically "No, wait, I trust you. Please stop talking."
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Don't worry, Artix. I believe in you and the incredible amount of hard work and dedication given to LP this lacklustre Final Fantasy trilogy. This one's for you: 
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"I'm going to put you on a train. You can get off trains when they stop. Something happened in front of the train station." Thanks for the intel, Hope. You guys are making this game look super tempting for $20, even after I got burned by 13-2.
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Trick Question posted:"I'm going to put you on a train. You can get off trains when they stop. Something happened in front of the train station." This game is the antidote to XIII-2.
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