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counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

Samu posted:

Did they ever add a Canadian Civ?

Hahaha

No.

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Poil
Mar 17, 2007



Baba Yetu is the only proper Civ menu music.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015




Alternatively, as Civ VI is apparently the opposite of Civ IV, a backwards version of Baba Yetu should play in the menu.

Utey Abab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF3Tgnvf-6U

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER


Taco Defender


Wrong version of Baba Yetu, but besides that you're right.

Chomp8645
Sep 1, 2006

Vvardenfell awaits.



Maybe this time glorious Yugoslavia will get the recognition it deserves.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007



Chomp8645 posted:

Maybe this time glorious Yugoslavia will get the recognition it deserves.
I thought it did every game.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014

... the beats of the dead.

Panzeh posted:

Hey look its the game that started the trend of papering over trash mechanics with writing.

the gameplay was good and it actually had good writing unlike all those games.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 27, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.


Groovelord Neato posted:

the gameplay was good and it actually had good writing unlike all those games.

not really tbh it was pretty unbalanced everywhere

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006



Gamerofthegame posted:

not really tbh it was pretty unbalanced everywhere

Also the writing and philosophy comes off as extremely dated and the idelogical caricature leaders don't do anything for me.

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.



Time for a Canadian civ and the mighty Canada Caveman warrior replacement UU.

Sir DonkeyPunch
Mar 23, 2007

I didn't hear no bell


Pillbug

Moose cavalry

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002



Why don't they bring back Baba Yetu? Opening Civ 4 for the first time made me feel awesome and ready to forge a civilizatuon in my image.

Counterparts
Dec 2, 2006

Nobody's Hero


A Canadian Civ is totally workable and there's a really good one for Civ V. The UA is unique (+1 delegate per declaration of friendship) and really carves out a niche for carebear diplomacy and expansionism.

SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash.


The Human Crouton posted:

Why don't they bring back Baba Yetu? Opening Civ 4 for the first time made me feel awesome and ready to forge a civilizatuon in my image.

Don't want to use it too much, I guess

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER


Taco Defender

The Human Crouton posted:

Why don't they bring back Baba Yetu? Opening Civ 4 for the first time made me feel awesome and ready to forge a civilizatuon in my image.

Save a good piece of music for a game we know is good.

Banana Man
Oct 2, 2015


Gamerofthegame posted:

not really tbh it was pretty unbalanced everywhere

I didn't really play the game that much but heard friends gush over it, what were some examples?

Aerdan
Apr 14, 2012

ACTUALLY, DID YOU KNOW IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO LOSE WEIGHT AND BEING GIGANTIC DOESN'T CAUSE ANY HEALTH PROBLEMS? IT'S EITHER THAT OR I'M AN IDIOT!


Banana Man posted:

I didn't really play the game that much but heard friends gush over it, what were some examples?

It's basically Civ2 with some enhancements, so it has all the problems Civ2 does and more.

JeremoudCorbynejad
Jul 6, 2007



Harmonia posted:

Civ VI will have less technologies, around 50, but it will be "compensated by some system they can't talk about yet."

There's 81 in Civ V: BNW so that's a pretty significant cut.

Maybe they're going to use some "leaf" system like BE did? Would make sense that they'd borrow some ideas from that game.

Drunk in Space
Dec 1, 2009


The first mod is always Hitler.

majormonotone
Jan 25, 2013



As someone with ADHD I could not actually parse Beyond Earth's tech web so hopefully they make it significantly more readable

Disgusting Coward
Feb 17, 2014


sarmhan posted:

I would agree historically, but on the content side it really looks like they're taking what worked in Civ 5 and expanding it, and reworking what didn't. They aren't cutting any systems.

I was young and innocent, once. Enjoy these, your salad days.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006


I hope they were full of poo poo when they said they were keeping archaeology. It was tedious skill-free micro bullshit.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014

... the beats of the dead.

Gamerofthegame posted:

not really tbh it was pretty unbalanced everywhere

single player games don't have to be balanced to be fun it made crushing miriam early on (which anyone would want to do anyway) easier.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



majormonotone posted:

As someone with ADHD I could not actually parse Beyond Earth's tech web so hopefully they make it significantly more readable

On the other hand, the tech web is perhaps my single favorite thing about Beyond Earth (and I say this as someone who thinks it's one of the best entries in the Civilization-and-spinoffs franchise). I don't, however, think it works as well for a mainline historical Civilization game unless they're going for a more traditionally linear tech tree that also incorporates leaf techs off the linear stems.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I just pretend to be nice.


Lipstick Apathy

Cythereal posted:

I don't, however, think it works as well for a mainline historical Civilization game unless they're going for a more traditionally linear tech tree that also incorporates leaf techs off the linear stems.

Why not? Technological development as a deterministic linear thing is considered pretty outmoded these days, it'd be cool if we can get a game where you could have Mesoamerican and Andean civs poo poo on Europe from an agricultural and textiling perspective and not be considered "behind" in the same way because of their lack of iron. It'd be cool if there are multiple ways you could progress your civilization.

e: conversely I agree about it having been confusing as all gently caress in Beyond Earth, but now they have the A-team working on it we might get a better UI.

Budzilla
Oct 14, 2007

I do it because I love you.


Disgusting Coward posted:

Game will be a buggy, content-free mess on release.
Just like Civ4 and Civ3.

Everyone gushes over Civ4 but completely forgets about its release. No one touches Civ4 unless it has BtS installed as well, Civ3 with Conquests is better than Civ4 vanilla. Civ5: BNW is how the game should have been originally released though, I think it's a better game than Civ4:BtS although I am the minority.

majormonotone
Jan 25, 2013



The main problem with beyond earth's web was the UI, I think. If they designed it better maybe I could actually understand it

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead


No one can forget Civ4's release. Game was unplayable for like two patches.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



majormonotone posted:

The main problem with beyond earth's web was the UI, I think. If they designed it better maybe I could actually understand it

Rising Tide did a lot to fix it, and while this isn't a good thing to say about it I learned my way around the tech web pretty well after a game or two.

Ein Sexmonster
Nov 1, 2011

I'm a skin man. I wish I wasn't.

Disgusting Coward posted:

I was young and innocent, once. Enjoy these, your salad days

I've been playing since civ 2, I don't need your condescension.
Obviously there's no way to judge before we've seen it, but the designers clearly understand what they're doing, which is a good start.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion




Ultra Carp

Scalding Coffee posted:

No one can forget Civ4's release. Game was unplayable for like two patches.

Yes, but we got ffh2 out of it. I find the end product of 4 much more playable than 5. There are so many little things that get in the way of just playing 5 (mostly global happiness, that was a terrible idea.)

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??



For those who are interested, last March was Civ's twenty fifth birthday and the strategy game podcast Three Moves Ahead had Jon Shafer (lead dev on Civ V) and Soren Johnson (lead dev on IV) on to talk about the series. If you're a fan it is pretty interesting! Good parts include a giant hate-on for espionage mechanics and Shafer talking about how V was conceived as a test bed for new mechanics after IV "perfected" the old formula started by II.

Celery Face
Feb 18, 2012


Samu posted:

Did they ever add a Canadian Civ?
The Iroquois could count but they suck.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 27, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.


wiegieman posted:

Yes, but we got ffh2 out of it. I find the end product of 4 much more playable than 5. There are so many little things that get in the way of just playing 5 (mostly global happiness, that was a terrible idea.)

I infinitely disagree but I also wish we got a FFH for 5 because 1UPT would have solved all of the loving issues of pyre zombie stacks and poo poo like that.

majormonotone
Jan 25, 2013



I hope the Iroquois are in VI and are significantly better

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014

... the beats of the dead.

Fuligin posted:

For those who are interested, last March was Civ's twenty fifth birthday and the strategy game podcast Three Moves Ahead had Jon Shafer (lead dev on Civ V) and Soren Johnson (lead dev on IV) on to talk about the series. If you're a fan it is pretty interesting! Good parts include a giant hate-on for espionage mechanics and Shafer talking about how V was conceived as a test bed for new mechanics after IV "perfected" the old formula started by II.

is shafer's game ever coming out

Borsche69
May 8, 2014



sarmhan posted:

Civ 4 religion wasn't very interesting either. It was a rather convulted way of maybe getting a bunch of gold. Civ V's religion has way more going on, although as with everything I'll be interested to see how they tweaked it for VI.

Also VI is bringing back every system from V and rebuilding them, so I don't really think people can complain unless they really disliked V.

Phobophilia posted:

Civ4 religion was a diplomatic tool in SP. It was a cool way to form blocs and alliances. Civ5 religion was just a big perk tree and just a pile of gold, if you were lucky and the AI Boudicas didn't roll their belief pick on tithe.

Civ4 religion was pretty deep in single player. It is an interesting diplomatic tool, but it also had a huge place in cultural victories because of cathedrals giving 50% culture. Typical strat would be to get as many religions as possible to build a bunch of temples so you could stack cathedrals in your 3 culture cities. Religion was also deep in the civic system, with Organized Religion/Theocracy/Pacifism all providing very powerful bonuses if adopted. Going religion first also let you bypass monuments for early border pops, and maybe get a shrine for gold.

Civ5 religion is way less interesting given that it's just a carbon copy of the policy system, with the same process of filling a bucket to select a bonus. That's without even considering how OP some of the bonuses like Desert Folklore or whatever are, or thinking about late game religion where you have to generate ever more faith just to keep the dominant religion.

Borsche69
May 8, 2014



Budzilla posted:

Just like Civ4 and Civ3.

Everyone gushes over Civ4 but completely forgets about its release. No one touches Civ4 unless it has BtS installed as well, Civ3 with Conquests is better than Civ4 vanilla. Civ5: BNW is how the game should have been originally released though, I think it's a better game than Civ4:BtS although I am the minority.

What the hell is this? Conquests was an absolute disaster. It destroyed the corruption mechanic (both in calculating the costs, and with the civil engineer specialist), added awful OP lethal bombardment, broken rear end Statue of Zeus needing Ivory (a luxury resource that would only have like 4 copies in the world, because of the civ3 map gen) and giving the ridiculously powerful Ancient Cavalry

Same thing with BTS. Do you remember how colony expenses were calculated at release? Do you remember how awful the poison well or civil unrest spy abilities were? How the game was completely broken on Epic difficulty? How broken Corporations (Sid's Sushi especially) were? Statue of Zeus (increasing war weariness to the point that the game wasn't fun).

Civ4 at release was buggy (memory leaks) and had overly powerful units (redcoats, cossacks, and catapults could still kill at release), but it was a hell of a lot better on release than either of those expacs.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??



Groovelord Neato posted:

is shafer's game ever coming out

He set a release date for like, winter 2017 I think, or something ridiculously far away like that. The dude's kind of crazy.

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Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

MURALI



Panzeh posted:

Also the writing and philosophy comes off as extremely dated and the idelogical caricature leaders don't do anything for me.

What's dated about the philosophy of SMAC?

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