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Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!


The Glumslinger posted:

Oh, and I meant to post this "amazing" starting location last night



That was a restart

"Science Victory" written all over it. Also, I think it's theoretically possible to build an encampment outside that city and escape the hermit kingdom with an unconquerable capital.

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Ogdred Weary
Jul 1, 2007

A is for Amy who fell down the stairs


The Glumslinger posted:

Oh, and I meant to post this "amazing" starting location last night



That was a restart

Please share the save file with us

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?




Hair Elf

Ogdred Weary posted:

Please share the save file with us

Dont have it, sorry, I restarted a turn later

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007



Lipstick Apathy

The Glumslinger posted:

Dont have it, sorry, I restarted a turn later

gently caress

That looks awful and fun. What difficulty was this?

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008



Ironically that would be a really great Inca start.

The White Dragon
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!


Chamale posted:

"Science Victory" written all over it. Also, I think it's theoretically possible to build an encampment outside that city and escape the hermit kingdom with an unconquerable capital.

what happens if you try to send a trade unit to it

Madmarker
Jan 7, 2007



The Glumslinger posted:

Oh, and I meant to post this "amazing" starting location last night



That was a restart

Hey you even have space for a second settle in there. Cant be that bad

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?




Hair Elf

Ragnar34 posted:

gently caress

That looks awful and fun. What difficulty was this?

Emperor I think

Poil
Mar 17, 2007



showbiz_liz posted:

Oh my god. I would have played it out just to see what happened.
End turn. End turn. End turn. End turn.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Speedball posted:

Ironically that would be a really great Inca start.

I though the same. Unconquerable capitol, great yield for science and food, workers can build a portal out of there early game

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

You say 'in bed with the Russians' like it's a bad thing...

So I still think Owls of Minerva is the weakest of the four secret societies, or perhaps the least flashy, but the list of benefits you get is pretty huge:

* Extra economic policy slot out of the gate and each trade route sent to a city-state grants 1 envoy. So if a city-state gives you a mission to send a trade route, you get TWO envoys.
* Extra wild card policy slot in Industrial Age.
* Replaces Bank with Gilded Vault. Getting culture equal to the adjacency bonus of a Commercial Hub is kind of meh because I usually only get +2 or +3 on those, but you could juice that with Japan or Mali.
* With Gilded Vault you also get a trade route for harbors, so you can get 2 trade routes per coastal city without building a lighthouse.
* +2 spy capacity and spies provide both loyalty and +1 amenity if deployed defensively.
* In atomic era, offensive spy operations provide gold, faith, culture and science and you get 3% interest back on the gold you're holding onto.

My Ethiopia game is going pretty well, but I think I need to go back and replace some mines with rock-hewn churches. Faith is really your main currency and I got conservative in some places and built 3 hammer mines instead of 6-faith churches.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!


Are there any mods that make climate change reduce food yields, or would this be a plausible mod to make? I hate how once you hit level 7 climate change, it essentially stops being a problem because the seas can't rise any more and the natural disasters are limited to one per turn.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

I was thinking about that yesterday. The addition of global warming is great and I want to see more ecological consequences and crisis in Civ

What you suggested would be great and also some animal luxury resources, like whales and turtles, could on late game become threatened, triggering an option to call for a vote to ban it on the world congress, stuff like that

The White Dragon
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!


Chamale posted:

Are there any mods that make climate change reduce food yields, or would this be a plausible mod to make? I hate how once you hit level 7 climate change, it essentially stops being a problem because the seas can't rise any more and the natural disasters are limited to one per turn.

you realize that they had to cap it because of how quickly a single coal-based naval unit makes the climate change track explode yes?

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

You say 'in bed with the Russians' like it's a bad thing...

Maybe they just need to make the haboobs and blizzards that hurt yields more common? IDK

To me the problem with climate change is that by the time it becomes a problem I'm no longer in the micro-managing phase of the game anyway so I barely notice it. So all those hurricane-related repairs for instance are lost in a sea of Broadcast Centers and Stock Markets and all that which I sort of select without thinking.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!


The White Dragon posted:

you realize that they had to cap it because of how quickly a single coal-based naval unit makes the climate change track explode yes?

Yeah, the problem is both that they made it happen way too quickly, and that level 7 climate change is almost completely inconsequential. Maximum climate change should be a dystopia with entire cities threatened by starvation, not two of my farms being replaced by a natural canal.

Deceptive Thinker
Oct 5, 2005

I'll rip out your optics!

Chamale posted:

Yeah, the problem is both that they made it happen way too quickly, and that level 7 climate change is almost completely inconsequential. Maximum climate change should be a dystopia with entire cities threatened by starvation, not two of my farms being replaced by a natural canal.

play on apocalypse mode and you'll get meteors

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

You say 'in bed with the Russians' like it's a bad thing...

Yeah I feel like the meteors do the job. Might have been cooler if there were super hurricanes or something that erased cities and coastline like the meteors do.

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005



Why/how does one decide to go to war with city states? I kinda view them as neat little buffs I can pick up with their suzerain bonuses, is the trade-off of having One More City worth more than suzerain bonuses?

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008


Organic Lube User posted:

Why/how does one decide to go to war with city states? I kinda view them as neat little buffs I can pick up with their suzerain bonuses, is the trade-off of having One More City worth more than suzerain bonuses?

There's that, but also plenty of situational factors like "I want to settle on the other side of the city-state but I need the loyalty pressure boost," or "one of the AIs controls this city-state and I don't want them to have the bonus," or "they are sitting on uranium and I haven't been able to get suzeranity over them," or "their city center is blocking the only passage through these mountains," etc.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade




Most often for me it's because they occupy a strategic position that's more important than any suzerain bonus. A good example would be Jerusalem - the bonus is exclusively useful to civs that have founded a religion. If I'm gunning for a scientific victory, I probably don't care, and Jerusalem might have some territory that's useful to me otherwise - whether it's for strategic/luxury resources or simply because it's got a good defensive position for my empire against an aggressive civ.

Other CSs are almost always more useful for their suzerain bonus and I'll go out of my way to liberate them if another civ conquers them and the opportunity presents itself. Most of the science CSs are good examples of this, and to a lesser extent the trade CSs.

super fart shooter
Feb 11, 2003

-quacka fat-


The economics of envoys usually means that you're just never going to have enough to spread them out over every CS, so you have to pick and choose whichever ones are actually useful to you. And if you're not investing envoys in a CS, it's really more of a question of why shouldn't you conquer them, since it's another city, with more resources, and it's only helping the other players to leave it be

Early game, the 1 envoy bonus is almost always useful no matter what, unless maybe it's a faith CS, and you've already got your pantheon and aren't otherwise bothering with faith. But the usefulness of those bonuses doesn't scale later into the game, so unless you have lots of districts of that type, their suzerain bonus has utility to you, or they've got resources you want, they're not really doing much for you

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005



Be nice if we could just keep the bonus after conquering them. A billion grievance points to any rear end in a top hat that wipes Nazca lines and Olmec heads out of the world for good.

World Famous W
May 25, 2007

BAAAAAAAAAAAA



Grimey Drawer

Chad Sexington posted:

So I still think Owls of Minerva is the weakest of the four secret societies, or perhaps the least flashy, but the list of benefits you get is pretty huge:

* Extra economic policy slot out of the gate and each trade route sent to a city-state grants 1 envoy. So if a city-state gives you a mission to send a trade route, you get TWO envoys.
* Extra wild card policy slot in Industrial Age.
* Replaces Bank with Gilded Vault. Getting culture equal to the adjacency bonus of a Commercial Hub is kind of meh because I usually only get +2 or +3 on those, but you could juice that with Japan or Mali.
* With Gilded Vault you also get a trade route for harbors, so you can get 2 trade routes per coastal city without building a lighthouse.
* +2 spy capacity and spies provide both loyalty and +1 amenity if deployed defensively.
* In atomic era, offensive spy operations provide gold, faith, culture and science and you get 3% interest back on the gold you're holding onto.

My Ethiopia game is going pretty well, but I think I need to go back and replace some mines with rock-hewn churches. Faith is really your main currency and I got conservative in some places and built 3 hammer mines instead of 6-faith churches.
I did a Mansa Musa with Owls run just a minute ago. Took Religious Unity as well. Every trade quest was three envoys. Ended the game making GBS threads out more gold than usual with all the double trade route cities and suzerain of every city state on a huge map without having to fabricate any scandals once.

Still lost because I turned on apocalypse mode and you can't stop twelve nations from killing the planet

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

You say 'in bed with the Russians' like it's a bad thing...

World Famous W posted:

I did a Mansa Musa with Owls run just a minute ago. Took Religious Unity as well. Every trade quest was three envoys. Ended the game making GBS threads out more gold than usual with all the double trade route cities and suzerain of every city state on a huge map without having to fabricate any scandals once.

Still lost because I turned on apocalypse mode and you can't stop twelve nations from killing the planet

Has anyone actually tried to ride out the apocalypse to get the achievement for being the last one standing? My Chandragupta game would have been a good candidate in hindsight because I was dominating a pangaea map and I assume your odds are mostly based on surface area you occupy?

Still on my Ethiopia game and a culture or religious victory seems most likely.

Nucular Carmul
Jan 26, 2005

Melongenidae incantatrix

Chad Sexington posted:

Has anyone actually tried to ride out the apocalypse to get the achievement for being the last one standing? My Chandragupta game would have been a good candidate in hindsight because I was dominating a pangaea map and I assume your odds are mostly based on surface area you occupy?

Still on my Ethiopia game and a culture or religious victory seems most likely.

I did do a really long game, but I should turned the turn limit off. 500 turns wasn't enough to destroy civilization even rushing science and pumping as much CO2 as I could. Of course, it was also a Large map. Maybe do a Small map and still turn off the turn limit.

And turn off a few of the victory types too maybe so you don't have to worry about fending off religious units clogging up the game.

Nucular Carmul fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jul 30, 2020

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008


God drat I hate Wilhelmina. "WHY WON'T YOU TRADE WITH ME YOU MONSTER" uh maybe because I have no idea where any of your cities are because you're on another continent and I can't cross ocean tiles yet, CHILL OUT

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008



showbiz_liz posted:

God drat I hate Wilhelmina. "WHY WON'T YOU TRADE WITH ME YOU MONSTER" uh maybe because I have no idea where any of your cities are because you're on another continent and I can't cross ocean tiles yet, CHILL OUT

About as touchy about that as Mvemba is about you not spreading your religion to him. I'm getting to it dude!

Funnily, Gran Colombia's leader agenda is...he likes it if you have highly promoted officers and dislikes it when you do not. He seems to think you're hoarding all the medals for yourself.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

My current game I got yelled at by someone for being bankrupt (1500 gold in bank, 200g per turn income) and them complimented by other AI for my strong military (3 archers and a heavy charriot, 3rd worst army in the world)

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





I appreciate the agenda spam because more than insults it actually motivates me to go to war more with them. Sure it's because it's annoying, but it will want me to wipe out all of those assholes just to enjoy some peace and quiet.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011





Muldoon

Speedball posted:

Funnily, Gran Colombia's leader agenda is...he likes it if you have highly promoted officers and dislikes it when you do not. He seems to think you're hoarding all the medals for yourself.

Bolivar straight up says he's going to kill you and take all your poo poo if you don't get a better army. It's by far the most overtly threatening of the agenda messages.

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!




Grimey Drawer

Does anyone know how hard it is to make a mod that just changes tech quotes in this game?

FreeMars
Mar 22, 2011


There already is one. Proverbium, I think

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!




Grimey Drawer

FreeMars posted:

There already is one. Proverbium, I think

Yeah I mean to make another one how hard would it be

FreeMars
Mar 22, 2011


Oh, no clue sorry

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

FreeMars posted:

There already is one. Proverbium, I think

Ill take a look at it

I think if I hear "writting is easy!" one more time Im going to flip

edit: or that one about dogs when you research animal husbandry, it fills me with irrational rage

Chronojam
Feb 20, 2006

This is me on vacation in Amsterdam
Never be afraid of being yourself!




Writing, is easy! Just look what a great job we did on these tech quotes

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME


I hate how the civ vi tech quotes are almost all post-modern Anglosaxon stuff and I would pay for a mod that has Sean Bean narrate new tech quotes which fit the era that you're currently researching. I don't really mind it in the modern-era but researching something in the antiquity and hearing a quote about how air conditioning could have saved the Roman Empire makes me upset.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.


Deltasquid posted:

I hate how the civ vi tech quotes are almost all post-modern Anglosaxon stuff and I would pay for a mod that has Sean Bean narrate new tech quotes which fit the era that you're currently researching. I don't really mind it in the modern-era but researching something in the antiquity and hearing a quote about how air conditioning could have saved the Roman Empire makes me upset.

the Mt Kilimanjaro wifi quote gets me pissed every time

something about the tone and how he says "this Apadana" twice in the same quote makes me and my friends repeat the phrase "this apadana" a lot anytime someone builds it.

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PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

...as much revenge as any man could possibly take.


QuickbreathFinisher posted:

the Mt Kilimanjaro wifi quote gets me pissed every time

Same. I hate that loving line. Not every quote needs to be serious but they should at least be thematic. That's just a poo poo joke about millennials.

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