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kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Tits and cooters, Mr Bond.


PaybackJack posted:

Same. I hate that loving line. Not every quote needs to be serious but they should at least be thematic. That's just a poo poo joke about millennials.

Yeah the tech quotes seem like they were chosen by a 65 year old republican

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Tom Tucker
Jul 19, 2003

I want to warn you fellers
And tell you one by one
What makes a gallows rope to swing
A woman and a gun



Civ 5 had such great quotes and Civ 6 such bad ones. Looking at you Chichen Itza

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Tits and cooters, Mr Bond.


The one I remember is from Civ 4 (they may have gotten the wording a little wrong but this is as it was in the game):

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."
-Dom Helder Camara

And in Civ 6 we get loving ronald reagan talking about the taxpayer

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002



Stefan Prodan posted:

Does anyone know how hard it is to make a mod that just changes tech quotes in this game?

If you're talking about actually recording new audio, I don't know.

But if you just want to change the text, it's likely as easy as just changing the text in an XML file.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 26, 2007


kingcobweb posted:

Yeah the tech quotes seem like they were chosen by a 65 year old republican

I think it was discussed on release but basically if people typed in "[name of wonder / tech] + quote" into Google, it would literally be something in the top 5 results that ended up as the quote.

The Kilimanjaro quote was from a college student's Thought Catalog post about her trip to Tanzania

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!


So many of the tech quotes from the late game are complaints about the thing you just discovered. Like Industrialization:

"I think the Human race made a big mistake at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, we leaped for the mechanical things. People need the use of their hands to feel creative" - Andre Norton

Oh, you wanted workshops and factories? Big mistake, rear end in a top hat!

And era-appropriate natural wonder quotes would be nice, if only to get rid of the terrible ones for Kilimanjaro and Pantanal.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014




Fan of Britches

 The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. - Theodore Kaczynski

The civ 7 tech quote for unlocking industrialization

homullus
Mar 27, 2009



I think some of the quotes in the last three Civs have been really great. I think some of them are not good. Civ VI has the same proportion of goodness and badness of the others. Contemporary-with-the-tech quotes are an ok idea in theory, but in practice there sometimes aren't any (especially ancient), or don't have anything interesting to say, because we see those things differently in hindsight.

Humor is also polarizing because it's so subjective. For the most part, I think it's good in all the games, though I did get annoyed with the Nimoy Sputnik one, which was only funny the first time. The Kilimanjaro one doesn't trouble me, because it's different from the usual "wow, that sure is a big mountain, it makes me have feelings" from some poet.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!


Every Future Tech quote should be from Dan Quayle. (They used "The future will be better tomorrow" in Civ IV)

"I have made good judgements in the past. I have made good judgements in the future."

"It’s time for the human race to enter the solar system."

"We are ready for any unforseen event that may or may not occur."

homullus
Mar 27, 2009



Chamale posted:

Every Future Tech quote should be from Dan Quayle. (They used "The future will be better tomorrow" in Civ IV)

"I have made good judgements in the past. I have made good judgements in the future."

"It’s time for the human race to enter the solar system."

"We are ready for any unforseen event that may or may not occur."

Not an emptyquote. Those will never get old.

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002



Chamale posted:

Every Future Tech quote should be from Dan Quayle. (They used "The future will be better tomorrow" in Civ IV)

"I have made good judgements in the past. I have made good judgements in the future."

"It’s time for the human race to enter the solar system."

"We are ready for any unforseen event that may or may not occur."

I wish I was old enough to properly remember Dan Quayle.

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME


homullus posted:

Contemporary-with-the-tech quotes are an ok idea in theory, but in practice there sometimes aren't any (especially ancient), or don't have anything interesting to say, because we see those things differently in hindsight.

I don't know, I think just with the Bible, the Qur'an, the Torah, epic of Gilgamesh, Homer and a few Chinese and Persian authors you could probably find a relevant and maybe even thought-provoking quote about every single tech and culture unlock from the ancient and classical eras.

EDIT: The Qur'an would be more early medieval than classical, but still, I'm pretty sure you have some folklore quoted in there to use.

Even if the quotes shed a different light on the subject in hindsight or go against contemporary beliefs, it would still provide for an interesting point of views on how people back then thought about it.

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019



i just won a domination game (with hungary) for the first time in a civ game in maybe 15 years. becoming suzerain of every city-state and levying troops was so hilariously broken that i just decided to go for it. i also have no idea how people regularly play domination games, it's so mind-numbing just mass attacking with machine guns over and over again.

The White Dragon
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!


Tom Tucker posted:

Civ 5 had such great quotes and Civ 6 such bad ones. Looking at you Chichen Itza

hootchly pootchly

even morgan sheppard made an effort to pronounce mamalahoe kanawai

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.


"I am fond of pigs"

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





buffalo all day posted:

i just won a domination game (with hungary) for the first time in a civ game in maybe 15 years. becoming suzerain of every city-state and levying troops was so hilariously broken that i just decided to go for it. i also have no idea how people regularly play domination games, it's so mind-numbing just mass attacking with machine guns over and over again.

Moving armies before airports is so insanely slow and tedious, it's a big reason why I loathe going military focused. Hell even with airports it's tedious but at least they actually go a decent distance. The only time military is close to fun is defensively or on water heavy maps because naval units can actually move.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

QuickbreathFinisher posted:

"I am fond of pigs"

"Moe-nay"

Poil
Mar 17, 2007



Deltasquid posted:

I don't know, I think just with the Bible, the Qur'an, the Torah, epic of Gilgamesh, Homer and a few Chinese and Persian authors you could probably find a relevant and maybe even thought-provoking quote about every single tech and culture unlock from the ancient and classical eras.

EDIT: The Qur'an would be more early medieval than classical, but still, I'm pretty sure you have some folklore quoted in there to use.

Even if the quotes shed a different light on the subject in hindsight or go against contemporary beliefs, it would still provide for an interesting point of views on how people back then thought about it.
But that would require more effort than making an intern google "the wheel quote" over a lunchbreak.

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!




Grimey Drawer

buffalo all day posted:

i just won a domination game (with hungary) for the first time in a civ game in maybe 15 years. becoming suzerain of every city-state and levying troops was so hilariously broken that i just decided to go for it. i also have no idea how people regularly play domination games, it's so mind-numbing just mass attacking with machine guns over and over again.

yeah my first actual play to the end deity win was a game I was gonna try to do conquest with rome but after I got a couple capitals I went ah gently caress it and did science

super fart shooter
Feb 11, 2003

-quacka fat-


Eimi posted:

Moving armies before airports is so insanely slow and tedious, it's a big reason why I loathe going military focused. Hell even with airports it's tedious but at least they actually go a decent distance. The only time military is close to fun is defensively or on water heavy maps because naval units can actually move.

One of the great ironies of 1UPT is that in spite of having less units overall, just moving them around the map becomes so much more work than it should be. You've gotta deal with all these traffic jams, and you constantly have to reissue move orders to units every turn because other units get in their way and interrupt their route. Sometites it's enough to make me miss civ4 where you'd just bind your 40 units together in one big stack, hit move, and that was it.

Jamsque
May 31, 2009


There is at least one tech quote replacement mod on the workshop, someone got their dad to read a bunch of Bible quotes for it. It's better than the default but not by much.

homullus
Mar 27, 2009



Jamsque posted:

There is at least one tech quote replacement mod on the workshop, someone got their dad to read a bunch of Bible quotes for it. It's better than the default but not by much.

I would light my speakers on fire before listening to Bible quotes for a whole era.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

super fart shooter posted:

One of the great ironies of 1UPT is that in spite of having less units overall, just moving them around the map becomes so much more work than it should be. You've gotta deal with all these traffic jams, and you constantly have to reissue move orders to units every turn because other units get in their way and interrupt their route. Sometites it's enough to make me miss civ4 where you'd just bind your 40 units together in one big stack, hit move, and that was it.

Thats why I always says: bring back transport ships. And make land transport units too

Keep the current embarkment mechanic, since people love it (I dont), but give us an option to move a lot of units as one for when we have to cross the drat map with an army

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 26, 2007


Jamsque posted:

There is at least one tech quote replacement mod on the workshop, someone got their dad to read a bunch of Bible quotes for it. It's better than the default but not by much.


I would like this mod, except quotes from the collected works of Karl Marx

Tom Tucker
Jul 19, 2003

I want to warn you fellers
And tell you one by one
What makes a gallows rope to swing
A woman and a gun



I have said it before and will again - a front line system would be better. Can still do one unit per tile but then moving units and reinforcements would be consolidated and you expand out to one un it per tile when encountering another army.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012


Keep every quote the same except give me back "pig iron, pig iron, I've got aaaaaaaaall pig iron"

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME


Elias_Maluco posted:

Thats why I always says: bring back transport ships. And make land transport units too

God, please don't. Just let units stack and vastly increase unit speed across the board as you tech up.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!


It would be a radical change, but I've thought it would be interesting to have war events where technology slows down dramatically and you can fight a war without one side advancing from spearmen to bazookas.

It could even be a World Congress vote, where a "yes" means everyone goes to war along ideological lines.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





Chamale posted:

It would be a radical change, but I've thought it would be interesting to have war events where technology slows down dramatically and you can fight a war without one side advancing from spearmen to bazookas.

It could even be a World Congress vote, where a "yes" means everyone goes to war along ideological lines.

I think the game plays better in general with a mod that drastically raises the cost of science and culture research. Wish it had scaled stuff instead of just a flat x3 or whatever multiplier because eventually you do get your research to crazy pace, but for that period of the game where techs can still take 12+ turns and your units can actually maneuver and be relevant are nice.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007



I wonder if you could use some kind of massive "ahead of time" penalty to research.

Quotey
Aug 16, 2006



ohhhhh i have slipped the surly bonds of earth, put out my hand and touched the face of god

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!


Eimi posted:

I think the game plays better in general with a mod that drastically raises the cost of science and culture research. Wish it had scaled stuff instead of just a flat x3 or whatever multiplier because eventually you do get your research to crazy pace, but for that period of the game where techs can still take 12+ turns and your units can actually maneuver and be relevant are nice.

I just started using Zee's Properly Timed Eras and I love it so far. It increases the cost of technology more advanced than the in-game era, and lowers the cost of outdated technology. It's much harder to outrace the AI and keep a massive lead, and it makes it more worthwhile to study various branches of technology. I also love how the tech level makes sense on the calendar instead of having airplanes in the 1400s. Only issue I have is that it becomes too easy to achieve a Golden Age, but I hope to find a mod to fix that.

EDIT: tl;dr:

Poil posted:

I wonder if you could use some kind of massive "ahead of time" penalty to research.

The White Dragon
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!


mandatory lesbian posted:

Keep every quote the same except give me back "pig iron, pig iron, I've got aaaaaaaaall pig iron"

civ 7 just synthesizes leonard nimoy's voice with an AI and finally makes him say Sea Men

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





Chamale posted:

I just started using Zee's Properly Timed Eras and I love it so far. It increases the cost of technology more advanced than the in-game era, and lowers the cost of outdated technology. It's much harder to outrace the AI and keep a massive lead, and it makes it more worthwhile to study various branches of technology. I also love how the tech level makes sense on the calendar instead of having airplanes in the 1400s. Only issue I have is that it becomes too easy to achieve a Golden Age, but I hope to find a mod to fix that.

EDIT: tl;dr:

Looks interesting! I'll give it a shot, thanks.

Blasmeister
Jan 15, 2012



Hooray won my first game on Deity (religious as Gandhi), not sure whether to go again or try some of the scenarios out. any of them any good?

Jamsque
May 31, 2009


Chamale posted:

I just started using Zee's Properly Timed Eras and I love it so far. It increases the cost of technology more advanced than the in-game era, and lowers the cost of outdated technology. It's much harder to outrace the AI and keep a massive lead, and it makes it more worthwhile to study various branches of technology. I also love how the tech level makes sense on the calendar instead of having airplanes in the 1400s. Only issue I have is that it becomes too easy to achieve a Golden Age, but I hope to find a mod to fix that.

I've had a good time with Historic Speed which does similar stuff, I tweaked it a bit to increase unit costs because the map was just swarming with warriors after 50 turns but apart from that I've really enjoyed the re-balance. Also for anyone interested the tech quote replacement mod I was using is here.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





For Vampire castles, do they update when the yields of surrounding tiles change, or do I need to remove it and do it again? Also do improvements matter or only base yield?

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008


Eimi posted:

For Vampire castles, do they update when the yields of surrounding tiles change, or do I need to remove it and do it again? Also do improvements matter or only base yield?

They update and they include improvement yields. They're pretty hilariously overpowered. I've never had such high production in my capital at such an early stage.

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005



Playing as vampires is rough on my old man eyes.

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Quotey
Aug 16, 2006



note to self: restart if canada is in the game on apocalypse mode

i was having fun with eleanor/cultists too



i was working on the statue of liberty when it got completed by someone else then i realised what was about to happen

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