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mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012


Rimusutera posted:

Marbozir, TheSaxyGamer & PotatoMcWhiskey all have a bunch of videos up.

The latters been fun to watch quite a bit and is very knowledgeable about the game but he's started having an uptick in "triggered" references in his video commentary, as a fair warning.

I like potatoes content but lord help me if his chat gets off topic they will talk about politics and while he himself is not horrible as far as ive seen it is always cringy

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Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





His produced videos are way better but understandably rarer. Marbozir just does more normal less edited let's plays and he's really chill, though he doesn't go as insane with mechanics as potato does.

The Mattybee
Sep 14, 2007

despair.


Rimusutera posted:

If you want to have this discussion, what exactly do you think is so bad about Georgia, and what do other mediocre/middle of the road Civs have over it?

I would think that the poster with the contrarian opinion should be defending it but hey

if you can't be bothered to put effort into it, here's the short version:

• civ ability is a "win more" ability but doesn't help you get to that point
• leader abilities are very situational and aren't that strong
• mediocre UU with a situational ability
• mediocre UB

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012


I actually think that golden ages are balanced enough that georgia's abilities arent "win more". More like "lose less". I think its actually a pretty decent ability since you are likely to get at least one golden age at some point and from that point on she has a good shot of always having them

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.


John F Bennett posted:

Same.

I also exclusively play in strategic mode. I can play regular mode on huge maps with everything on lowest settings until the medieval age, then it starts to chug.
Either way, with those low settings the game just looks bad and strategic view is so very pretty compared it, I love it.

Heh, Iíve taken to playing lately in a window on my work laptop and by the time we get to classical era Iím watching it load assets around the map and if i need to do anything more intensive than email itís a quicksave and quit to desktop. I recently reinstalled 5 and it runs great though even at medium-high. Itís kinda a pleasure after 6 but i forgot how annoying it is to need to build things in every city to access wonders.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


The Mattybee posted:

I would think that the poster with the contrarian opinion should be defending it but hey

if you can't be bothered to put effort into it, here's the short version:

What are you on about? You could just answer the question instead of being a dick about this.

The Mattybee posted:

• civ ability is a "win more" ability but doesn't help you get to that point
• leader abilities are very situational and aren't that strong
• mediocre UU with a situational ability
• mediocre UB

The leader and civ abilities have good and mediocre parts; extra wall production is actually pretty decent and gets undersold a lot, walls have been buffed at least once in and of themselves, but the extra envoys is pretty big and makes Georgia a solid diplomatic civ as well as flexibility based on CS suzerainty, which can be incredibly impactful. A common complaint still with Georgia is they have trouble founding a religion but imho this is kind of overstated even on Deity and ignores that their abilities work with adopted religions. You can get a lot of leverage out of extra envoys, and is one of the things that can help you catch up to the AI, who tend to otherwise be ahead of you on envoys. Otherwise I agree with this:

mandatory lesbian posted:

I actually think that golden ages are balanced enough that georgia's abilities arent "win more". More like "lose less". I think its actually a pretty decent ability since you are likely to get at least one golden age at some point and from that point on she has a good shot of always having them

Its way less of a winmore ability than you're crediting it as and helps you keep an edge over situations you'd otherwise struggle / fall behind in.

My position is they're kinda meh, middle tier, not the literal worst Civ in the game like you're arguing and you actually have an onus to defend your claims too you know?

Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Sep 14, 2020

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



I've never played as Georgia but I wonder if the walls thing could help survive an AI rush, and paradoxically make them better on Deity than on lower difficulties.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


Chamale posted:

I've never played as Georgia but I wonder if the walls thing could help survive an AI rush, and paradoxically make them better on Deity than on lower difficulties.

Ancient Walls don't help with really early AI rushes since those tend to hit before you have the tech unlocked, but over all walls of all tiers are pretty good for long term defense. To the point I regularly plug in Limes to get them up and running. the +2 Science card and the bonus tourism also help.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



*crashes into thread*

YEAHHHHHHH

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


Byzantine posted:

*crashes into thread*

YEAHHHHHHH

Someone's happy for Rome 2: Grecobogaloo.

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008



It's probably going to be either Justinian or Theodora as the Byzantine leader, but I'm hoping for an Alexios.

Gaul basically has to be Vercingetorix, right?

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





Eh, being focused on war I can easily see Heraclius. Though I will second that personally I wish it was Irene of Athens.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



I would like to see one of the later emperors rather than Justinian or Theodora again, but that does seem to be Civ6's philosophy for leader selection.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


Justinian saw the largest expansion of the empire, so it feels appropriate and familiar to go with him if war is their focus.

Previous joke aside, modern historiography is swinging back onto recognizing the "Byzantine" Empire actually saw themselves as Romans, so I'm actually annoyed they're not an alt Rome leader set up.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





If you want to make it during Justinian's reign just do Belisarius then. I think Heraclius would work fine since he oversaw the most dramatic war in Roman history, what with Rome nearly being wiped out by the Sassanids to him leading the last Roman army into the heart of Persia. And to cap it off he lived long enough to see the Arab invasion.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


Belisarius feels like he suffers from a case of not actually being the Emperor though. Heraclius would be pretty sick though, based on what I know about him/ what you mention.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Clapping Larry

Gaul's leader

Blasmeister
Jan 15, 2012



This but Vitalstatistix

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?




Hair Elf

Rimusutera posted:

Belisarius feels like he suffers from a case of not actually being the Emperor though. Heraclius would be pretty sick though, based on what I know about him/ what you mention.

He deserves to be a great general at least

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever



Apologies if this has been answered, but can multiple game modes be enabled at once? Can I have vampires and devil worshippers, extreme climate change and post apocalyptic poo poo and now whatever the new age mechanics are, all at once?

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!

chaosapiant posted:

Apologies if this has been answered, but can multiple game modes be enabled at once? Can I have vampires and devil worshippers, extreme climate change and post apocalyptic poo poo and now whatever the new age mechanics are, all at once?

Yep.

I'm looking forward to the new Civs if the more recent ones are any indication then they're going to be super fun to play.

blackmongoose
Mar 31, 2011

DARK INFERNO ROOK!


Rimusutera posted:

Belisarius feels like he suffers from a case of not actually being the Emperor though. Heraclius would be pretty sick though, based on what I know about him/ what you mention.

Heraclius would be alright, but my vote is always for peasant Emperors which means that since Justinian has been done to death it's time for Basil I to get some recognition.

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.


Can't wait to play as Gaul and march on to Rome, that'll show them. And also vice versa.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.


Has any Civ game ever used ancient Israel as a civ? Seems easy, the leader is David, Wonder is a Grand Temple, special units are Maccabiís etc. Iím getting an urge to play an Earth map and exactly recreate historical issues. Iím pretty sure Darius of Persia is in 5 and Rome and Egypt are always there so Iíd just need some Mesopotamia and so on to fill this out.

Really, there should be a ďcreate a civĒ option where you can do this with reskinning existing units and adjusting some attributes.

Kassad
Nov 11, 2005

It's about time.


Civ6 has Persia, Rome, Egypt and Sumeria. Israel isn't a full civ but it's represented by Jerusalem as a city state.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.


Kassad posted:

Civ6 has Persia, Rome, Egypt and Sumeria. Israel isn't a full civ but it's represented by Jerusalem as a city state.

Yeah thatís what prompted the q, Iíve only seen Jerusalem as a city-state. Forgot about Sumeria so I guess I can boot up 6 and get some proper med-warfare going.

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.


These last posts are exactly the reason why I exclusively play on Earth maps with true start locations. I have 1000+ hours according to Steam and I think I have played a game on a non-Earth map maybe 2-3 times. I've been doing this since Civ1.

Doesn't that get boring? No, it does not.

Kassad
Nov 11, 2005

It's about time.


jojoinnit posted:

Yeah thatís what prompted the q, Iíve only seen Jerusalem as a city-state. Forgot about Sumeria so I guess I can boot up 6 and get some proper med-warfare going.

There are probably mods adding Israel as a civ.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Clapping Larry

John F Bennett posted:

These last posts are exactly the reason why I exclusively play on Earth maps with true start locations. I have 1000+ hours according to Steam and I think I have played a game on a non-Earth map maybe 2-3 times. I've been doing this since Civ1.

Doesn't that get boring? No, it does not.

I haven't played on an Earth map since Civ II.

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

You say 'in bed with the Russians' like it's a bad thing...

John F Bennett posted:

These last posts are exactly the reason why I exclusively play on Earth maps with true start locations. I have 1000+ hours according to Steam and I think I have played a game on a non-Earth map maybe 2-3 times. I've been doing this since Civ1.

Doesn't that get boring? No, it does not.

I don't love automatically knowing where everything is. I started a game on the earth map (not true start obvs) as Trajan the other day and quickly realized I was in South Africa. Pushed north as fast as I could to find Shaka just north of me in sub-Saharan Africa.

Lost enthusiasm for that playthrough right away because I knew I was going to have to try and slog through a war in jungle with him to get anywhere, just for the privilege of breaking out into a ton of desert.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.


jojoinnit posted:

Has any Civ game ever used ancient Israel as a civ? Seems easy, the leader is David, Wonder is a Grand Temple, special units are Maccabi’s etc. I’m getting an urge to play an Earth map and exactly recreate historical issues. I’m pretty sure Darius of Persia is in 5 and Rome and Egypt are always there so I’d just need some Mesopotamia and so on to fill this out.

Really, there should be a “create a civ” option where you can do this with reskinning existing units and adjusting some attributes.

My groupchat has been mulling over the stats of a Mormon civ centered around being denounced and generating gold from cities your religion has a hold in

E: and of course espionage

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.


Chad Sexington posted:

I don't love automatically knowing where everything is. I started a game on the earth map (not true start obvs) as Trajan the other day and quickly realized I was in South Africa. Pushed north as fast as I could to find Shaka just north of me in sub-Saharan Africa.

Lost enthusiasm for that playthrough right away because I knew I was going to have to try and slog through a war in jungle with him to get anywhere, just for the privilege of breaking out into a ton of desert.

I usually roleplay pretty hard on these Earth maps. I deliberately don't expand or conquer when it doesn't fit my head narrative on a playthrough and I pretend there's this separate game of diplomacy going on. Victory conditions are always turned off, of course.

I guess it's a bit weird but it's fun to me.

Tom Tucker
Jul 19, 2003

I want to warn you fellers
And tell you one by one
What makes a gallows rope to swing
A woman and a gun



Civ VI and Civ in general is one of the best games out there for playing the way YOU want to play. Sometimes I just want a sandbox so I do small continents and build my little empire before meeting other people and sometimes I want a mess so I add 50% more civs on Pangea. Two completely different games.

Tear down all the forests to build a war machine or save them for national parks. Conquer or go full spy craft and steal someoneís cultural win out from under them. Sometimes you just want to start as Australia in actual austrlia and build the worlds biggest outback station! Other times you want to true start as France on Earth on diety and try to survive.

Play how you want!

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.


Tom Tucker posted:

Sometimes you just want to start as Australia in actual austrlia and build the worlds biggest outback station! Other times you want to true start as France on Earth on diety and try to survive.

Hell yeah! Australia on an Earth map is actually a fun way to play if you want a playthrough where you just focus on some empire building. You have a fairly big piece of land with natural borders and nobody will be bothering you for a long time.

And when you're ready you invade America.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



QuickbreathFinisher posted:

My groupchat has been mulling over the stats of a Mormon civ centered around being denounced and generating gold from cities your religion has a hold in

E: and of course espionage

I'd like to see a Lakota civ that can win the game without being expansionist and constantly growing. The leader ability called Ghost Dance gives an alternate win condition when the game enters the Modern era for keeping amenities high and not getting conquered, or something like that.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


I've mentioned this before but I think that the flexibility holds true even on Deity is a big selling point for me about how good VI is at its core currently. Pretty much everything mentioned like deciding to chop the poo poo out of everything or save for NatParks are real decisions to make based on what your strategy actually is. There's rarely anything that holds true 100% of the time for me.

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!

Chad Sexington posted:

I don't love automatically knowing where everything is. I started a game on the earth map (not true start obvs) as Trajan the other day and quickly realized I was in South Africa. Pushed north as fast as I could to find Shaka just north of me in sub-Saharan Africa.

This is my feeling as well. I love the exploration that comes with the early game. Once you've discovered most of the world or at least your nearby region a lot of the enjoyment of the game for me is a little lost. It's also one of the things that's hardest to make work in Civ board games.

That said it's kind of fun to cheese the game with Kupe by doing true start, setting all the enemy civs to European/Asian/African ones, then sailing East and having the Americas all to yourself to garden in.

ellspurs
Sep 12, 2007
Kappa :o

I must be weird for playing only one map mode: Shuffle. With a self-imposed rule that I cannot move the settler unless it physically cannot settle on the location it was spawned into.

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor



Grimey Drawer

whats the deal with making religion units? I have a city with my religion as a majority, that city has a holy district with a shrine AND temple. On the map I have 1 apostle left with 1 spread left.

I can't buy OR build any religious unit at my city with a majority of that religion and all the district stuff? What gives?

please help my religion is dying

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Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


Are there any other civilian units blocking the Holy Site and City Center?

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