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Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor



Grimey Drawer

Rimusutera posted:

Are there any other civilian units blocking the Holy Site and City Center?

no, actually I reloaded the save and now I can buy units with faith again??? maybe it's a bug on the switch civ 6 but it's a problem that's cropped up a few times and it's making it really hard to understand the religion mechanics :/

I've had the blocking thing before, doesn't it always say there's too many units or something to that effect? this just offers no option to buy but I will block the site and test it out to be sure

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Dopefish Lives!
Nov 27, 2004

Swim swim hungry


I had the same problem on the Switch version - Queue has to be turned off to purchase units with gold or faith. It's not terribly intuitive.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Clapping Larry

John F Bennett posted:

I guess it's a bit weird but it's fun to me.

Making your own fun is what launched computer games. I enjoyed the early text adventures as much as I enjoy modern games, but I don't have to do as much of the work anymore.

That said it's probably why I like RPGs and simulations. Building things of my own, the way I want to build them appeals to me.

Rosemont
Nov 4, 2009


QuickbreathFinisher posted:

My groupchat has been mulling over the stats of a Mormon civ centered around being denounced and generating gold from cities your religion has a hold in

E: and of course espionage

You mean Deseret? I always wondered what the reaction would be to having in game Civs that never actually happened but that various groups wanted to establish in the past.

Me, I'd want to add Sealand in as a City-state and the fictional island that California is named after.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.


Chamale posted:

I'd like to see a Lakota civ that can win the game without being expansionist and constantly growing. The leader ability called Ghost Dance gives an alternate win condition when the game enters the Modern era for keeping amenities high and not getting conquered, or something like that.

gently caress, I want this but I feel like actual Lakota ppl would have a problem being included as a character in a game about conquest and imperialism. Just finished a book earlier this summer about the ghost dance crackdowns and it was so interesting and infuriating.

Didn't they get in hot water with another tribe (Cree or maybe Shoshone from V I think) for doing this without consulting them at all?

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


Rosemont posted:

You mean Deseret? I always wondered what the reaction would be to having in game Civs that never actually happened but that various groups wanted to establish in the past.

Me, I'd want to add Sealand in as a City-state and the fictional island that California is named after.

"Deseret" didn't really happen but the Mormons were fairly autonomous in Utah for quite a while. Which kinda gets into the whole "what even is a Civilization by Civs own standards?" question.

Marzzle posted:

no, actually I reloaded the save and now I can buy units with faith again??? maybe it's a bug on the switch civ 6 but it's a problem that's cropped up a few times and it's making it really hard to understand the religion mechanics :/

I've had the blocking thing before, doesn't it always say there's too many units or something to that effect? this just offers no option to buy but I will block the site and test it out to be sure

Ah yeah, I'm not familiar with any Switch side issues at all so I can't really help. Glad its 'fixed' for now.

Edit: It was a specific councilman from a Cree First Nation that got a lot of news attention for fairly reasonable criticism of the problems with Civ at its core, though they actually worked with Poundmaker's actual descendants and a group of Cree musicians in the frist place.

The Shoshone actually ended up in V because Firxas originally wanted to do the Pueblo people but the representatives from the Pueblo were against having their language depicted in the game, it was tantamount to a form of desecration.

Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Sep 16, 2020

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



QuickbreathFinisher posted:

gently caress, I want this but I feel like actual Lakota ppl would have a problem being included as a character in a game about conquest and imperialism. Just finished a book earlier this summer about the ghost dance crackdowns and it was so interesting and infuriating.

Didn't they get in hot water with another tribe (Cree or maybe Shoshone from V I think) for doing this without consulting them at all?

Yeah, I'd obviously want this done in consultation with Lakota people, and if they don't want to be depicted in the games at all they should leave it at that. The series has a fundamentally colonialist mindset, it would be interesting to see a civ that can avoid that and still succeed. They considered putting the Pueblo people in Civ V, but a group of them asked not to be in the game so we got the Shoshone.

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008


Marzzle posted:

whats the deal with making religion units? I have a city with my religion as a majority, that city has a holy district with a shrine AND temple. On the map I have 1 apostle left with 1 spread left.

I can't buy OR build any religious unit at my city with a majority of that religion and all the district stuff? What gives?

please help my religion is dying

Maybe the holy site's been pillaged or destroyed by a natural disaster?

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor



Grimey Drawer

Dopefish Lives! posted:

I had the same problem on the Switch version - Queue has to be turned off to purchase units with gold or faith. It's not terribly intuitive.

just "queue off" or "queue off and no present production"?

Dopefish Lives!
Nov 27, 2004

Swim swim hungry


"Queue off" should be sufficient!

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



Rimusutera posted:

Which kinda gets into the whole "what even is a Civilization by Civs own standards?" question.

They let the Huns and Australia in, so who knows.

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor



Grimey Drawer

Dopefish Lives! posted:

"Queue off" should be sufficient!

thanks!

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005



This volcano got named Stromboli and I just cannot take it seriously.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


Thats a real place! The turnover is apparently named after it via a film.

Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Sep 17, 2020

Ulvino
Mar 20, 2009


Organic Lube User posted:

This volcano got named Stromboli and I just cannot take it seriously.

Why not? The real one erupted a few times last year IIRC.

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005



Ulvino posted:

Why not? The real one erupted a few times last year IIRC.

Notwithstanding, it's a very silly name.

The Little Death
Mar 5, 2015




The food is named after the movie, witch is named after the volcano. This is like people giggling that Turkey is a country name

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.


Rimusutera posted:

"Deseret" didn't really happen but the Mormons were fairly autonomous in Utah for quite a while. Which kinda gets into the whole "what even is a Civilization by Civs own standards?" question.


Ah yeah, I'm not familiar with any Switch side issues at all so I can't really help. Glad its 'fixed' for now.

Edit: It was a specific councilman from a Cree First Nation that got a lot of news attention for fairly reasonable criticism of the problems with Civ at its core, though they actually worked with Poundmaker's actual descendants and a group of Cree musicians in the frist place.

The Shoshone actually ended up in V because Firxas originally wanted to do the Pueblo people but the representatives from the Pueblo were against having their language depicted in the game, it was tantamount to a form of desecration.

This was interesting to read. I once started writing a post complaining how Australia and America are only represented by colonial leaders and so on and it felt like a snub that there's no Aboriginal Australia civ but I totally get it now.

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008


Are fighter planes good for anything but killing other planes? I've never been threatened by an AI with bombers so I've never built a single one of them.

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008


Oh hey thanks to Potato McWhiskey for helping me finally crack the Khmer. Somehow it had never occurred to me to not pursue a religious victory with them, and also I didn't have a grasp on how to make use of their great housing bonuses. Wound up going for science and then taking a diplo victory by building the Statue of Liberty in my massive-thanks-to-housing-bonuses capitol city.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


showbiz_liz posted:

Are fighter planes good for anything but killing other planes? I've never been threatened by an AI with bombers so I've never built a single one of them.

They can decently gently caress up ground units I think.


showbiz_liz posted:

Oh hey thanks to Potato McWhiskey for helping me finally crack the Khmer. Somehow it had never occurred to me to not pursue a religious victory with them, and also I didn't have a grasp on how to make use of their great housing bonuses. Wound up going for science and then taking a diplo victory by building the Statue of Liberty in my massive-thanks-to-housing-bonuses capitol city.

I was pretty happy to see that vid; Khmer is one of my favorite civs to play even if they're not the best. They're another victim of people seeing 'faith' related values and assuming you should use them for a religious victory.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaZndwXCIAQ

looool, Byzantines dropped.

Tom Tucker
Jul 19, 2003

I want to warn you fellers
And tell you one by one
What makes a gallows rope to swing
A woman and a gun



Not a big fan of conquest-focused civs, especially cavalry focused conquest-focused civs, but the interaction between converting cities and warfare is pretty cool, where it makes both stronger by pursuing both.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



Fuckin sweeeet

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008


Wait is it really supposed to be pronounced "BEEZin-teeum"? That does not sound right to me.

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!

Byzantium sounds interesting although I don't know if it's one that I'll play beyond once. It sounds like it could be really powerful and perhaps a way to really make a lot of those civic policies 'based on opponent's religion' really strong.

The unique units sound kind of boring though. But at least the knight replacement and the Leader ability sound like they'll be pretty good together so that's something.

At worst though, it still seems like it will play pretty different so that's good.

Rosemont
Nov 4, 2009


I've never heard it said that way, and it was throwing me off the entire time I was watching the video. Also the way she was saying Basil made it sound like something else entirely, and until his name showed up on screen was confused as to who the hell that was.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





showbiz_liz posted:

Wait is it really supposed to be pronounced "BEEZin-teeum"? That does not sound right to me.

Given that she pronounced dromon wrong, I wouldn't trust any of her pronunciations.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


The converting opponent's holy cities thing just makes no sense to me as a fitting historically based ability.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005



I'm know nothing of their history, but I assumed that line was more about generically waging a religious war. I took the IRL inspiration to be 'consolidating same religion areas'.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



While catholicism didn't exist yet, the Empire did take over the papacy when it reconquered Italy, and the Emperors dismissed and appointed the Bishops of Rome at will.

Nucular Carmul
Jan 26, 2005

Melongenidae incantatrix

Aztecs got a neat little stealth buff with the various amenity changes and the change to Entertainment Districts giving adjacency bonus to Theater Squares. Since their unique building is in the ED, and gives faith, it synergizes well enough with a culture victory. Makes them accidentally slide sorta into the same gameplay style as Gorgo where you conquer a neighbor or two early then be a shining beacon of art and tourist sites. I've found myself not really liking Aztec for later game, feeling like I wasn't sure where to go since everything they have is so early game central. This helps a lot with that.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


Byzantine posted:

While catholicism didn't exist yet

The first known usage of "Catholic" as a distinguishing label was used centuries before Basil, and the East-West Schism hadn't happened yet.

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011





Muldoon

Nucular Carmul posted:

Aztecs got a neat little stealth buff with the various amenity changes and the change to Entertainment Districts giving adjacency bonus to Theater Squares. Since their unique building is in the ED, and gives faith, it synergizes well enough with a culture victory. Makes them accidentally slide sorta into the same gameplay style as Gorgo where you conquer a neighbor or two early then be a shining beacon of art and tourist sites. I've found myself not really liking Aztec for later game, feeling like I wasn't sure where to go since everything they have is so early game central. This helps a lot with that.

The Aztecs are sorta good at everything. The universal combat bonus for military units is nice, but it also applies to religious units, and is the only bonus of its kind, which means your apostles are basically invincible if you build for it. Plus they can hammer out Spaceports in 4-5 turns in any city for the cost of a single Public Works Builder.

FooF
Mar 26, 2010


Byzantium looks like it will be a very unique playstyle, which I'm for. They do look very powerful on paper.

Rimusutera
Oct 17, 2014


Pretty much any early game powerful bonus basically means the late game is snowballing into whatever direction you want it to be. My first Deity Aztecs game was eating Phoenicia on an oddly Mexico shaped continent and then just out producing everyone at everything. before going to space.

Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Sep 18, 2020

The White Dragon
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!


Eimi posted:

Given that she pronounced dromon wrong, I wouldn't trust any of her pronunciations.

ドラえもん

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





The White Dragon posted:

ドラえもん



Dromon is pronounced basically like thromon, for the curious.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Clapping Larry

Been having a tough time with my first Gathering Storm playthrough, mostly due to being squished up against a coast line. But two of Sweden's cities up and joined my civ out of nowhere so that was cool, and for the first time in Civ 6 I've been able to successfully create cities across a body of water from my main region. Barbarians galore but they're doing okay, and that part of the map still has room to grow.

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mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012


Eimi posted:



Dromon is pronounced basically like thromon, for the curious.

Throwmon is my davorite digimon

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