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Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

akadajet posted:

don't use windows

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triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



i'm sry mishaq but it's actually good and integral to my computer touching job that pays me money

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
Windows 10 is pretty good. its far and away the best version 10 operation system out there. the others all are Dog poo poo Garbage

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

triple sulk posted:

i'm sry mishaq but it's actually good and integral to my computer touching job that pays me money

getting paid to molest the intellectually disabled is pretty hosed up man

Joe 30330
Dec 20, 2007

"We have this notion that if you're poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."

As the audience reluctantly began to applaud during the silence, Biden tried to fix his remarks.

"Wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids -- no, I really mean it." Biden said.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Dislike button posted:

Windows 10 is way better than 7. Only insufferable morons think Windows 7 is still worth a drat as anything other than a stripped down enterprise OS

it might be better, but I can't imagine upgrading this pc would result in a "better" experience

I mean.. poo poo.. is browsing going to be better?? is downloading torrents or watching a movie going to be better?

mate.... there is no compelling reason to upgrade and the effort to do so outwieghs any benefit derived from doing so and will for like 3 more os revisions at least

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
windows 8 added on the file copy dialogue... a speed graph

wow.. such help.

when in fact the single buiggest change windows copy needed was a way to queue copies rather than try to perform all simulatenously. does windows 10 do that? i doubt it. regardless I just have a third party do it here. thats literally the only reason id want to upgrade, but it's not even necessary

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

multiple desktops may suit your browsing needs idk

notifications are good maybe?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
mate thanks but they wouldn't aid me in my pursuit

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

Raluek posted:

take a dick pic, update to win10
:shrug:

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
I just found out from amethysts post that you cannot use direct x 12 if you don't create a Microsoft account to link to your Windows login :stonklol:

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

that is hosed up, but otoh, create a microsoft account you dummy, it is in fact not going to steal your soul

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

wait, also you have misread that, gaming features *other* than dx12, and those are all social/sharing bullshit that you a) can do without, and b) obviously have to be tied to some kind of account

treasure bear
Dec 10, 2012

people are saying that windows 7 is a sexy older woman hubba hubba but 10 is well.. a trashy ho

is this true?

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

treasure bear posted:

people are saying that windows 7 is a sexy older woman hubba hubba but 10 is well.. a trashy ho

is this true?

yes

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Dislike button posted:

Windows 10 is way better than 7. Only insufferable morons think Windows 7 is still worth a drat as anything other than a stripped down enterprise OS

stripped down enterprise os is the best place for an os to be, it works and doesn't get in your way

nobody ever bought windows because they want to interact with windows (except maybe developers but they're not people), you buy windows because you want to do something else that requires windows

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

that is hosed up, but otoh, create a microsoft account you dummy, it is in fact not going to steal your soul

Oh. I thought I had to link my email address with a Microsoft account or some crap every time I signed in. I wasn't really interested in some sort of database leak that would make it possible to log into my computer or w/e. Like I think it's saying local accounts are not allowed.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Amethyst posted:

There are many things to consider when deciding between the two, OP. here are some thoughts on it from a website I like:

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SHOULD YOU DITCH WINDOWS 7 FOR WINDOWS 10?

Windows 10 is here and largely it's a big improvement over Windows 8, but what if you’re still using Windows 7? Microsoft may be offering a free upgrade to Windows 10, but should you take it or should you stick with what you know?

In this comparison we're going to focus on the big differences between Windows 10 and Windows 7. It isn't an exhaustive account, but it covers the big things you should care about and the little things you'll notice first.

If you're still not sure, feel free to ask us more questions in the comments and we'll do our best to answer.

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WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – PERFORMANCE

One of the least talked about improvements of Windows 8, and subsequently Windows 10, is that it does include a raft of performance upgrades.

Chief among these is boot-up time, which is markedly quicker, while better hardware acceleration and a host of other tweaks mean general navigation feels nippier, too. Power management has also been improved, so mobile device battery life tends to be a little longer.

Gaming performance is much more evenly matched, but with Windows 10 comes exclusive access to DirectX 12, which unlocks more performance from your existing hardware (game dependent) and is the future for Windows gaming – read our DirectX 12 vs DirectX 11 comparison for more on that.

It may seem like trivial stuff, but if there’s one single thing that's generally at the heart of the upgrades we make to our computers, it’s performance. So the fact that Windows 10 offers that base-level improvement on top of all its other features is definitely something to be happy about.

WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – DESIGN

Windows 8 marked a stark departure from the styling of Windows 7, with flat windows and bold colours taking over from 3D-looking icons and round-edged and transparent windows.

Windows 10 continues this change, with the flat and bold styling now taking over desktop icons and other core system features, though there’s still some way to go, with plenty of features such as the Control Panel and Computer Management interfaces using old icons.

Related: Windows 10 vs Windows 8

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Windows 7 DesignWindows 7's design is cohesive

Overall, we’re still unconvinced that the new styling is actually better than the old. It’s arguably more "modern", as flat seems to be the design theme of choice at the moment – websites are doing it and so is Apple – but we’re not sure it generally looks any more aesthetically pleasing.

That said, Microsoft has toned things down from the inital Windows 10 Technical Preview, where it used more bold and contrasting colours – like in Windows 8 – but the final release is more subdued and relies on dark grey and semitransparent menus that look cleaner and more professional. We really like the look of the final version.

Related: Windows 10 problems and how to fix them

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Windows 10 DesignEarly versions of Windows 10 looked particularly stark and disjointed

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Windows 10 DesignThe latest version of Windows 10 looks much more coherent

There are some practical benefits to the new design direction too, such as windows being smaller due to the lack of borders. Windows are also more customisable and some elements are clearer, thanks to the lack of translucent backgrounds.

All told, while we're not bowled over by the new look, it's a marked improvement over Windows 8 and definitely does have that more modern feel than Windows 7.

WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – SEARCH AND START MENU

Tap on the Windows 7 Start Menu and you can quickly access the reasonably powerful search function that will quite rapidly look up matching programs and documents as you type. It also provides quick access to core features and your chosen programs. It's simple but effective.

Related: Windows 10 tips and tricks

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Windows 7 SearchWindows 7 search is effective but simple

However, Windows 10 ups the ante on all accounts.

Click on the now separate search box and it will also now include Windows Store apps and web search, with results shown in a much more organised fashion.

Also, even just clicking on the search box will have it show preview information such as the latest headlines, updates from your favourite sports teams and the weather, if you choose to turn these features on.

What’s more, it includes Cortana, the digital personal assistant. This adds two key features. Firstly, it monitors things like your email, calendar and search to provide useful information, such as when you need to leave for your next appointment.

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Cortana Windows 10Windows 10 greatly enhances the features of search

You can also use it to add appointments or make notes. If you have a microphone on your machine, you can also speak your commands to Cortana and it does a fine job of interpreting natural language to get you the answer you need.

Sadly, the interface doesn’t return the answer to you right there in the search bar, but rather opens the web browser. It’s still pretty cool to not have to type anything, though.

All this is combined with a Start Menu that now includes the Live Tiles from the Start Screen of Windows 8. Certain key features such as File Explorer and Settings are more clearly shown too, while pointless clutter like the Default Programs button have been removed.

The only downsides are that the link to the Control Panel has now been removed, with Microsoft instead wanting you to push users to the PC Settings interface (even though it doesn't include all the same features). We're also not fans of the 'All Programs' interface. On Windows 7 it's compact and quick to scan whereas on Windows 10 it's overly bulky and spread out.

Overall, though, it's mostly an improvement.

WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – FILE MANAGEMENT

It may seem totally mundane, but the tools used for finding and managing your files are some of the most oft used and fundamental to a good operating system.

Windows 7 has a decent selection and certainly we’re all long used to them. However, they certainly aren’t the most advanced, and in some ways they’re a backwards step from what came before – who remembers the removal of the Up button from the File Explorer?

Related: 7 Best Windows 10 Laptops and Tablets

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Windows 7 File ManagementWindows 7 File Explorer and copy dialogue are relics

This one little feature summed up all that was wrong about the nonsensical path being trodden by Microsoft at the time. But it wasn’t the only problem with Windows 7 File Explorer. By any standard it was poorly designed, with wasted space and key functions hidden from view.

Well, with Windows 10 the Up button is back! And with it are a host of other improvements to File Explorer – many of which, again, first arrived in Windows 8. The top menu is now arranged in a ribbon, so all the common tools are right where they’re easy to click and, perhaps more importantly, easy for novices to find.

There’s also a new Share ribbon which makes it much easier to move files between different apps such as Outlook, Dropbox or Skype. It’s still not perfect, but it’s a definite step in the right direction.

On top of these improvements to File Explorer there’s also an improved file copying interface. Now copying/moving tasks are grouped into one window for easier management. Transfer speed is also shown in real time and operations can also be paused, where they could only previously be cancelled.

Related: Windows 10 vs Windows 8

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Windows 10 File ManagementWindows 10 File Explorer and copy dialogue is much more useful

Another neat new addition is Storage Spaces. This is a way to group multiple hard drives together to form a single logical drive. While hardly revolutionary sounding, what makes it particularly useful is that it supports multiple levels of drive redundancy, to ensure your data is backed up, and unlike a RAID system it's completely hot-swappable and drives can be different sizes.

All told, there's a lot that Windows 10 adds to day-to-day file management and very little that's been taken away.

WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – GAMING AND DIRECTX 12

We touched earlier on how gaming performance hasn’t changed much on Windows 10, but it’s worth elaborating.

In fact, there's a slight drop in performance on average, with Windows 10 tending to be about 0.5% slower than Windows 7, particularly with older games – Crysis 3, for instance – although there are some instances where the roles are reversed. Of course 0.5% is a ridiculously small amount either way, so much so that it’s not worth worrying about.

Elsewhere, Windows 7 has proven to be a robust and reliable gaming platform, though not one entirely stacked with innovation – it’s a solid base on which a host of gaming tools are built.

Windows 10, though, adds a load of new features. Most will, in all likelihood, be of limited interest to most PC gamers – the ability to access your Xbox Live account, stream games from your Xbox to your PC and have multiplayer games work with both PC and Xbox players – though they are, of course, mostly welcome.

Related: Best Gaming Laptops

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Windows 10 GamingWindows 10 brings access to lots of Xbox features

Probably the neatest feature is built-in game capture. This will constantly record your gaming sessions, allowing you to grab a snapshot of the last 30 seconds of gameplay to share with your friends. It may not be new technology, but having it baked into the OS is very useful. Also it works with every game ever – at least so Microsoft says – so if you fancy capturing a video of your Monkey Island adventures, it will happily do so.

Also, Windows 10 has exclusive access to DirectX 12, which promises to unlock performance on existing hardware thanks to it allowing programmers to better access the features of specific hardware. The performance gains are likely to be fairly small, and very much dependent on exact circumstances, but it’ll likely be enough to tip the balance of performance back in Windows 10’s favour.

WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – NOTIFICATIONS

Windows has long had a notifications area of sorts, in the shape of the System Tray. Here you’ll find popup messages from the likes of Outlook, Dropbox and Spotify – anything that actively runs in the background.

However, it’s never really been a proper unified place where messages from other apps can reside, and where you can see a history of updates.

Related: Best Windows Phone Round-up

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Windows 10 NotificationsWindows 10 has a useful single place for all notifications

Enter the new notifications area of Windows 10. This simple addition brings together system messages and app notifications into one place, with alerts ordered chronologically. It’s a small addition, but one that’s immensely useful.

The notifications area also contains some useful system functions, such as being able to switch to tablet mode or access the settings screen.

WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – WORKSPACE MANAGEMENT

Getting and keeping your workspace tidy is of key importance to certain users. While those with a laptop may be content with just making everything fullscreen, if you’re a desktop user you may have multiple large monitors and need good tools for managing all the windows and desktops that make up the total working area.

Windows 7 has multi-monitor support, though it’s somewhat limited with just access to either a mirroring mode or one that stretches the whole desktop across all the monitors, but with only one taskbar on one monitor. It also has an early version of Snap – the tool that automatically resizes windows when you drag them to the left or right. But that’s it – it’s a fairly limited set of tools.

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Windows 10 Virtual DesktopWindows 10 adds virtual desktops and better multi-monitor support

With Windows 10 both these features have been enhanced. Different monitors can now have different backgrounds, with different slideshows, too. Pictures can also now be set to span across all your monitors.

On a more practical note, the taskbar can now appear on multiple monitors or both your primary monitor and whichever monitor you’re currently active in. Snap has also been improved to support snapping to four corners, not just side to side.

Perhaps the biggest addition, though, is virtual desktop support. Although Windows 7 has had support for virtual desktops via third-party software, now it's built right in. The implementation isn’t super slick, but it's a big bonus, particularly for laptop users.

WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – TABLET MODE AND TOUCHSCREEN OPTIMISATION

It may not seem a particularly key feature for Windows 7 users – being as most won't be using it on touchscreen devices – but it's still worth noting that Windows 10 is a vast improvement over Windows 7 when it comes to touchscreen devices.

As well as many features having more touch-friendly icons and gestures there's also the easy tablet mode which at the touch of a button will switch a device between a more conventional multi-windowed interface with a normal Start Menu to a fullscreen mode using the Start Screen.

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Windows 10 Tablet Mode

You may not ever use the features on the desktop but it is good to know that the OS is designed to work smoothly across a range of devices, making it much easier to switch between your desktop, hybrid laptop and tablet.

WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – ANNOYING EXTRAS AND FORCED UPDATES

Microsoft – and Apple with OSX – has long tried to push new integrated features onto users with each new operating system, when some people simply don't want any extras but rather want a OS that'll just do the basics reliably. In this regard Windows 10 is no different.

Perhaps the most prominent is that Windows 10 really pushes you towards creating a Microsoft account. This is then used to log into the machine where it links up with your email, calendar, OneDrive shared storage and more, syncing them across all your devices.

It's the sort of thing that is definitely useful for certain users, but it's a bit annoying if you just want the simple life. Thankfully you can choose to just create a local login and ignore all the extra Microsoft account stuff. Except that if you choose to do so you can't use any of the preinstalled new apps such as Calendar and Mail, nor are any of the new gaming features available (other than DirectX 12). That's downright cheeky if you ask us.

Cortana arguably falls into this category too, but this you can at least just choose to turn off completely, leaving a more basic localised file search.

What you can't turn off, though, is automatic updates. This has long been something that Microsoft has tried to push users to do but with Windows 10 they've completely taken the issue out of user's hands. Now, the OS will download and install any important updates whether you like it or not, with only the option to choose when it does so.

It's kind of ridiculous that one of the most often criticised aspects of Windows - the fact that it's insecure and requires constant rebooting to install updates - has gotten so bad that Microsoft has felt the need to just force the issue onto users, rather than fix it. Thankfully for those that really find it irksome there is a workaround that involves disabling the Windows Update service - you'll have to then manually restart it when you do want to update.

WINDOWS 10 VS WINDOWS 7 – THE VERDICT

There's nothing wrong with sticking with Windows 7, but upgrading to Windows 10 definitely has plenty of benefits, and not too many downsides. Of course the fact that it's a free upgrade right now makes it even more tempting.

Windows 10 has a lot of genuinely useful new features, as well as key improvements to old features, compared to Windows 7. None is enough on its own to make an upgrade necessary, but when combined they do make a compelling case.

You’ve got better search, window management, file management, gaming tools and more. Windows 10 is faster in general use, too, and the new Start Menu is in some ways better than the one in Windows 7.

The only real sticking point is that Microsoft wants you to sign in with a Microsoft account and if you choose not to you lose some features. Features that shouldn't need to be linked to any online account. You certainly can get away with a normal 'offline' version but Microsoft really doesn't want you to, and that's something we're not keen on.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



blowfish posted:

stripped down enterprise os is the best place for an os to be, it works and doesn't get in your way

nobody ever bought windows because they want to interact with windows (except maybe developers but they're not people), you buy windows because you want to do something else that requires windows

interacting with windows is my second favorite thing to do after engaging with brands

Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013

Incomplete Fish posted:

In terms you can understand, OP you are windows 7, and tumor looking batty is windows 10

7 bad, 10 good, you see?

no its the opposite. inri owns

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

i spent some quality time with my win 10 bootcamp partition and after a few days the start button stops working lol

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

Last Chance posted:

i spent some quality time with my win 10 bootcamp partition and after a few days the start button stops working lol

all the win10 zealots itt don't know about this "feature" bc they haven't actually used it but are just hopping on the gimmick contrarian bandwagon. lomarf

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

GameCube posted:

all the win10 zealots itt don't know about this "feature" bc they haven't actually used it but are just hopping on the gimmick contrarian bandwagon. lomarf

Windows 10 has no bugs nor errors. If you're having problems, you're holding it wrong and probably stupid.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Hey guys my modern consumer desktop OS works weird in a VM; must be the OS's fault. Further more I am a Mac fag.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Larry Parrish posted:

Hey guys my modern consumer desktop OS works weird in a VM; must be the OS's fault. Further more I am a Mac fag.

Owned.

eric
Apr 27, 2004
Lipstick Apathy
op Windows 7 suits all my getting work done needs so I see no reason to stop using it

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007

I use a legit version of win 10 pro or whatever they call it this week and my start button has become a stop button at least 3 times

it also had a start menu full of ads for candy crush and other garbage
and told me to buy office

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Larry Parrish posted:

Hey guys my modern consumer desktop OS works weird in a VM; must be the OS's fault. Further more I am a Mac fag.

does win 10 even work in a VM? i've never tried it.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

i used to run thirteen windows xp vms on a windows xp machine that had one gigabyte of ram

treasure bear
Dec 10, 2012

ive installed windows 10 about 12 times now, what a rush!

an old man
May 25, 2016
has anyone ever made a joke about windows seven ate nine?

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
anyway in my experience with boot camp, nothing ever works as well as it would if you directly launched the partition from BIOS

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maniacdevnull
Apr 18, 2007

FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
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YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

yes, op

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