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Your Boy Fancy
Feb 7, 2003

The best days on earth are improbable days.

Nova Pro was exceedingly dope this month. Go find the show and watch it. I was in ear shot of the commentator and he was ridiculous.

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Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca


Yeah, NOVA Pro was very good. I bought a bandana.
https://twitter.com/boco_t/status/1053497426366160896

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016


RealFoxy posted:

Gauge's felony is the dumbest of all time for multiple reasons, but it's still funny that people think he's some kind of murderous thug when all he did was politely ask for money in a bank.
And, as I learned from the prosecutor for the article I'm working on, he also told the teller that was enough when she got past $3,000.

He was an a desperate opiate addict. That type of robbery is generally perpetrated by addicts who get desperate. Being that Nick Gage is: 1. Trying to commit himself to extended sobriety and 2. Universally considered a good dude, just one with problems he's working hard to overcome, it's clear that those who are super negative about him are either concern trolling or have antiquated views about addiction.

RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

Band-aids don't fix arrow wounds


davidbix posted:

And, as I learned from the prosecutor for the article I'm working on, he also told the teller that was enough when she got past $3,000.

He was an a desperate opiate addict. That type of robbery is generally perpetrated by addicts who get desperate. Being that Nick Gage is: 1. Trying to commit himself to extended sobriety and 2. Universally considered a good dude, just one with problems he's working hard to overcome, it's clear that those who are super negative about him are either concern trolling or have antiquated views about addiction.
I've never directly interacted with Nick but I know a lot of people who worked directly with him who never said a bad thing about him, and talk about how easy it is to work with him both before and after his incident. The guy is living up his gimmick and has a reputation for being a death match guy, but I've heard so much worse about guys you'd never expect but absolutely nothing negative about Nick. He should be remembered for throwing the bird while literally dying being choppered out of Tournament of Death and not for his lapse in judgement and desperation, Wish the best for him mdk

Explosions
Apr 20, 2015


Also if you don't think robbing a bank is cool, you are legally a cop and this conversation is entrapment.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

I bet against K-1


Nick Gage isn't hella woke but he's still cool

Phenix Rising
Oct 24, 2005

TOUGH GUUUUUY


What's the actual bank robbery story? All I know is that he robbed a bank, but was it some robbed-at-gunpoint thing with hostages and poo poo or did it not get that crazy?

RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

Band-aids don't fix arrow wounds


Phenix Rising posted:

What's the actual bank robbery story? All I know is that he robbed a bank, but was it some robbed-at-gunpoint thing with hostages and poo poo or did it not get that crazy?
He handed a bank teller a robbery note saying he had a gun and "Would loving shoot her if he didn't get the money" and walked out, that's all there was to it besides walking in without anything covering his face. I believe it was Chuck Taylor laughing at him for wearing more to cover himself to the ring than he did to rob a bank, but there was no weapons or hostages or anything going on but the teller he went to was traumatized and quit her job.

He's not a bad person as far as I know, he just had a bad opioid addiction and the robbery was more of an attempt to cry for help than anything malicious.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

I bet against K-1


He took all the money to have a casino bender with his girlfriend, which was kinda cool of him if you think of it as a going away party.

Beef Jerky Robot
Sep 20, 2009

"And the DICK?"


Explosions posted:

Also if you don't think robbing a bank is cool, you are legally a cop and this conversation is entrapment.

It is both cool and morally just

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016


RealFoxy posted:

I've never directly interacted with Nick but I know a lot of people who worked directly with him who never said a bad thing about him, and talk about how easy it is to work with him both before and after his incident. The guy is living up his gimmick and has a reputation for being a death match guy, but I've heard so much worse about guys you'd never expect but absolutely nothing negative about Nick. He should be remembered for throwing the bird while literally dying being choppered out of Tournament of Death and not for his lapse in judgement and desperation, Wish the best for him mdk

RealFoxy posted:

He handed a bank teller a robbery note saying he had a gun and "Would loving shoot her if he didn't get the money" and walked out, that's all there was to it besides walking in without anything covering his face. I believe it was Chuck Taylor laughing at him for wearing more to cover himself to the ring than he did to rob a bank, but there was no weapons or hostages or anything going on but the teller he went to was traumatized and quit her job.

He's not a bad person as far as I know, he just had a bad opioid addiction and the robbery was more of an attempt to cry for help than anything malicious.
Basically this. I've had nothing but positive interactions with him and have heard of zero negative ones outside of poo poo you'd expect from when he was using. I'd be way more surprised if he turned out to be a creep than probably the vast majority of people in indie wrestling.

Your Parents
Jul 19, 2017

Thank Travis for Travis!

#1 McElboy Fan


Explosions posted:

Also if you don't think robbing a bank is cool, you are legally a cop and this conversation is entrapment.

This tbh.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


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STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.


RealFoxy posted:

He handed a bank teller a robbery note saying he had a gun and "Would loving shoot her if he didn't get the money" and walked out, that's all there was to it besides walking in without anything covering his face. I believe it was Chuck Taylor laughing at him for wearing more to cover himself to the ring than he did to rob a bank, but there was no weapons or hostages or anything going on but the teller he went to was traumatized and quit her job.

I don't have strong opinions about Nick Gage personally at all but this does seem like its kind of glossed over. Like, whether he had a gun or not or meant it or not, threatening the life of someone is still a pretty hosed up thing that can (and apparently did) do real damage to an innocent person.

Now, I'm all for forgiveness and reform and if Gage is making a sincere effort to fix his life and make amends then I hope for the best for him. But like... he still did something really lovely and wrong. Its ok to acknowledge that AND forgive.

Mostly I just don't like Deathmatch stuff and the only time I really enjoyed watching Gage was when he was teaming with his brother. But I haven't seen him since he got out of jail.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016


STAC Goat posted:

I don't have strong opinions about Nick Gage personally at all but this does seem like its kind of glossed over. Like, whether he had a gun or not or meant it or not, threatening the life of someone is still a pretty hosed up thing that can (and apparently did) do real damage to an innocent person.

Now, I'm all for forgiveness and reform and if Gage is making a sincere effort to fix his life and make amends then I hope for the best for him. But like... he still did something really lovely and wrong. Its ok to acknowledge that AND forgive.

Mostly I just don't like Deathmatch stuff and the only time I really enjoyed watching Gage was when he was teaming with his brother. But I haven't seen him since he got out of jail.
I don't feel like it really gets glossed over? He halfway melded it into his gimmick and everyone acknowledges that he robbed a bank.

As for his work, he's usually not a death match guy anymore. Mainly a brawler. I saw him have two really solid matches live at the SCI in August with no juice, few gimmicks, and no swearing. His match with Timothy Thatcher at Bloodsport, which I also saw live, was a delightful clash of styles, as well, for example.

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick


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davidbix posted:

I don't feel like it really gets glossed over? He halfway melded it into his gimmick and everyone acknowledges that he robbed a bank.

Bix, I'm going to disagree with you. Framing something as "politely asking" for money in a bank robbery while neglecting to mention the fact that the polite request was really a threat of lethal violence is pretty much textbook glossing over.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016


exploded mummy posted:

Bix, I'm going to disagree with you. Framing something as "politely asking" for money in a bank robbery while neglecting to mention the fact that the polite request was really a threat of lethal violence is pretty much textbook glossing over.
Oh, I got the impression that the "politely asking" framing was a joke.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


Please do not gloss over the extremely cool crime of bank robbery.

Gage's forte is still death matches though, he's had several tremendous ones this year while his non death match stuff is hit or miss.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012



STAC Goat posted:

I don't have strong opinions about Nick Gage personally at all but this does seem like its kind of glossed over. Like, whether he had a gun or not or meant it or not, threatening the life of someone is still a pretty hosed up thing that can (and apparently did) do real damage to an innocent person.

Now, I'm all for forgiveness and reform and if Gage is making a sincere effort to fix his life and make amends then I hope for the best for him. But like... he still did something really lovely and wrong. Its ok to acknowledge that AND forgive.

Mostly I just don't like Deathmatch stuff and the only time I really enjoyed watching Gage was when he was teaming with his brother. But I haven't seen him since he got out of jail.

I don't think it was being glossed over but was being presented as a counter to the earlier claims from that venue of him being a violent felon. He hosed up, did something real lovely, and did something awful to that bank teller. He also did his time, paid her reparations, is bettering his life, and never actually inflicted actual violence in his crime. Its the ridiculousness of treating a guy who hosed up and appears to have made improvements in his life as a career criminal just because he will always have that felon label on him.

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010



STAC Goat posted:

I don't have strong opinions about Nick Gage personally at all but this does seem like its kind of glossed over. Like, whether he had a gun or not or meant it or not, threatening the life of someone is still a pretty hosed up thing that can (and apparently did) do real damage to an innocent person.
Innocent? She worked for a bank.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010


Sub Rosa posted:

Innocent? She worked for a bank.

As a teller. They ain't exactly rollin' in it, dude, we're not talking about a BOA executive here.

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012


El Gallinero Gros posted:

As a teller. They ain't exactly rollin' in it, dude, we're not talking about a BOA executive here.

Tellers I know are kept part-time and under 30 hours/week so they can't get benefits

Holiday weekends for them are sad occasions because they're missing an extra day of work without pay

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STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.


Gumball Gumption posted:

I don't think it was being glossed over but was being presented as a counter to the earlier claims from that venue of him being a violent felon. He hosed up, did something real lovely, and did something awful to that bank teller. He also did his time, paid her reparations, is bettering his life, and never actually inflicted actual violence in his crime. Its the ridiculousness of treating a guy who hosed up and appears to have made improvements in his life as a career criminal just because he will always have that felon label on him.

I'm not defending the arena decision against him. I was just really reacting to the "all he did was politely ask for some money" stuff. He threatened her life. He didn't have a gun but she didn't know that and she had every valid reason to fear he was being honest and her life was in danger. That's hosed up.

But as I said, I believe in reform and forgiveness. I think ex-felons deserve a right to re-assimilate and get their lives back on track. Hell, I think felons should be able to vote while in prison. So he served his time, is keeping his life on track, trying to do better and maybe even give back for what he did? Then I am happy to move on even if I personally don't want to watch him smash someone with a lighttube or something. He should be free to do so for someone else's entertainment if he so chooses (and... you know... the other guy).

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