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Tonight in Comically Misleading Headlines, from NBC: "Penguins-Sharks Final Was Most Watched Non-Original Six Final in 15 Years" Which means they beat out the following barnburners: Devils-Ducks Lightning-Flames Hurricanes-Oilers Ducks-Senators Kings-Devils It's official, the Penguins-Sharks finals was a smashing ratings success!
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Eric the Mauve posted:Tonight in Comically Misleading Headlines, from NBC: "Penguins-Sharks Final Was Most Watched Non-Original Six Final in 15 Years" I for one am glad and hope this means the NHL will try to rig more Sharks-Pens finals.
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Jun 14, 2016 02:32
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postin' these in case anyone wants to watch the 2003 first round on youtube. it's worth it just to watch pierre have an on-air meltdown over robert nilsson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utn1tkWU-Es (Fleury-Jessiman) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svld1_GQm7o (Brown-Eaves)
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Jun 14, 2016 03:41
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Eric the Mauve posted:I know we all assume Stamkos is a superduperstar but Stamkos hasn't been remotely the same guy the last 3 years. He's produced about the same number of goals and points per game as Kessel, playing only slightly more minutes per game (but fewer games, since Kessel is the most durable hockey player in the world) and slightly but not overwhelmingly better possession stats. He plays center and Kessel plays wing so if you think that adds extra value then there's that, although Stamkos is only mediocre at faceoffs. Yeah I think there's a pretty good chance that Stamkos's next contract looks pretty bad within a few years since he will probably get like $9m/7 or something.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:31
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With Kopitar getting an 8 year $80m extension, there's no doubt in my mind that Stamkos will make the same (or more) on a 7 year deal considering he's younger and a UFA. $9M would be a 'discount,' I can easily see him exceeding Toews and Kane for the top cap hit in the league. His best years are behind him and he's had a series of pretty damaging injuries. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:40
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Thufir posted:Yeah I think there's a pretty good chance that Stamkos's next contract looks pretty bad within a few years since he will probably get like $9m/7 or something. Could be wrong but I think he's going to get more than that, more like $11M/year. At $9M/year he wouldn't be too awful of an overpay.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:40
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Yeah there's no way Stamkos will get less than $10M a year unless he wants to take a discount. If he doesn't have any medical issues I don't see why he couldn't still be a very productive goal scorer for the duration of an 8 year contract (takes him until age 34). He could become more of a PP specialist as he gets older and still produce massively. Maybe not quite to the levels of Ovechkin, but he should remain a top 5 goal scorer for at least the next 4 or 5 years.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:43
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$9M is 12.6% of the cap. In line with an $8.1M cap hit coming out of the 2012-13 lockout. It's actually slightly less percentage wise than what Rick Nash got when he signed his extension in 2010-11, and he was roughly the same age/pedigree. Another comparable would be Brad Richards when he signed with the Rangers as a UFA in 2011-12. Remove the final three back diving years and his cap hit was $9.5M or 14.8% of the cap. An equivalent salary today would be $10.6M. That's a shade over what Toews/Kane make, so I figure that's where Stamkos lands. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 16:44
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Rick Nash never saw the day when he had anything like Steven Stamkos' pedigree. There's a lot more to it than just being drafted #1. Also there's a big difference between signing an extension and being the subject of a bidding war as a UFA.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:47
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Eric the Mauve posted:Rick Nash never saw the day when he had anything like Steven Stamkos' pedigree. There's a lot more to it than just being drafted #1. Also there's a big difference between signing an extension and being the subject of a bidding war as a UFA. Rick Nash was one of the best goalscorers in the league for a long time. He won the Richard at 19. But you're right about the UFA status thing. I added Richards because he's a better (albeit older at the time) comparison probably.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:49
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Ilya Kovalchuk is a comp that comes to mind--as a UFA he got a contract so egregious it was voided by the league. Stamkos is younger than Kovalchuk was and, if anything, better regarded while being the same type of player (pure goal scorer). He's going to get a gigantic contract.
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Jun 14, 2016 16:53
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How are Stamkos' blood clots doing?
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Jun 14, 2016 17:16
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DOOP posted:How are Stamkos' blood clots doing? Well he played game 7 against the Pens on blood thinners, and the commentators were saying that if he got a skate cut during the game he'd likely bleed out. So uh... not great?
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Jun 14, 2016 17:22
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is stamkos really more well regarded than kovalchuk was? maybe if it he hadn't had all these injuries and associated lower production, but those have to be hurting his stock pretty hard
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Jun 14, 2016 17:36
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Hard not to be hyped about a guy who is 26 with 300+ NHL goals and who scored 60 as a 21/22-year-old. I think he's definitely more well-regarded than Kovalchuk. The injuries and lockouts have made the numbers look less gaudy than they could have been but I can't think of anyone who is a more dominant goalscorer than Stamkos aside from Ovechkin. I guess we'll see how the injury recovery progresses, but I'd be shocked if he's healthy and not reliably potting 40+ for the next 4-5 years.
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Jun 14, 2016 17:50
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I mean I could see him dropping to 30-40 goals a year soon but that's like top 5 in the NHL still. He might get overpaid but he'll still be really good (assuming he doesn't have to retire like Dupuis did).
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Jun 14, 2016 17:59
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I can't wait until Detroit lucks into two hall of fame picks in the 5th and 6th rounds to counteract all the dead space they'll have on their cap after signing Stamkos to an absurd deal and seeing his play decline precipitously
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Jun 14, 2016 17:59
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whatis posted:I can't wait until Detroit lucks into two hall of fame picks in the 5th and 6th rounds to counteract all the dead space they'll have on their cap after signing Stamkos to an absurd deal and seeing his play decline precipitously They can't afford Stamkos, Datsyuk's cap hit next year is $7.5mil lol
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Jun 14, 2016 18:12
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The Dirty Burger posted:They can't afford Stamkos, Datsyuk's cap hit next year is $7.5mil lol There's talk they're offering a package of picks to a team willing to take on his contract next year.
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Jun 14, 2016 18:14
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:is stamkos really more well regarded than kovalchuk was? maybe if it he hadn't had all these injuries and associated lower production, but those have to be hurting his stock pretty hard Kovalchuk was Mind_Taker posted:I mean I could see him dropping to 30-40 goals a year soon but that's like top 5 in the NHL still. He already has 
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Jun 14, 2016 18:17
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ThinkTank posted:There's talk they're offering a package of picks to a team willing to take on his contract next year. pavel datsyuk, florida panther
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Jun 14, 2016 18:23
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fits posted:pavel datsyuk, florida panther Would he be allowed to un-retire and centre Jagr and Barkov?
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Jun 14, 2016 18:25
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Eric the Mauve posted:He already has So did Ovechkin for 2 years, but he bounced back to 50+ every year since (pro-rating the 2012-13 season). Not saying Stamkos will follow that trajectory or that his contract won't be an albatross, but there's tons of reasons why he should be an elite goal scorer for a few more years at least.
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Jun 14, 2016 18:27
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fits posted:pavel datsyuk, florida panther Florida is more likely to sign Stamkos than trade for Datsyuk.
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Jun 14, 2016 18:49
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Jordan7hm posted:Florida is more likely to sign Stamkos than trade for Datsyuk. Yeah they just paid to dump Savard's dead space, they don't want more.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:26
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Mind_Taker posted:I mean I could see him dropping to 30-40 goals a year soon but that's like top 5 in the NHL still. A pretty titanic sized if. Blood clots are scary poo poo.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:30
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A stats prof at a second tier university here in Ontario, says his draft model is 10% more effective than actual scouts. Doesn't seem like much, but over the space of 8 drafts that's 4 or 5 more effective NHlers than your competition. Of note, his top thirty prospects has some glaring differences from CSS (mainly it's down on PL Dubois, Jesse Puljujarvi and Alex Nylander and pretty high on Adam Mascherin - a guy I like a lot this year). quote:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/b...eam_LeadArticle The paper is worth a read if you're bored. Not the most engaging article, but I read through the paper and it's pretty convinving stuff (although the actual method used isn't discussed in depth so obviously take it with a grain of salt). He also misspells a bunch of top prospects names (I don't know if that's the guy who wrote the article or this stats prof), so take that for what you will.
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Jun 20, 2016 19:11
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My powers of just reading guys' names say there's zero chance Charles McAvoy, Max Jones or Jake Bean is going to be a star
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Jun 20, 2016 19:16
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ThinkTank posted:A stats prof at a second tier university here in Ontario, says his draft model is 10% more effective than actual scouts. Doesn't seem like much, but over the space of 8 drafts that's 4 or 5 more effective NHlers than your competition. The line about Bogosian being a top 5 pick because of his combine is complete fantasy. He was rated a pretty solid #2 before the combine and had very good stats in the OHL on a nothing team.
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Jun 20, 2016 19:34
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:The line about Bogosian being a top 5 pick because of his combine is complete fantasy. He was rated a pretty solid #2 before the combine and had very good stats in the OHL on a nothing team. Yeah the article is utter crap. I think he was talking about Schenn perhaps. Bogosian, Doughty and Pietrangelo all had 50+ points in their draft year and were the consensus top 4 with Stamkos. Still, the paper is interesting.
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Jun 20, 2016 19:51
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Eric the Mauve posted:My powers of just reading guys' names say there's zero chance Charles McAvoy, Max Jones or Jake Bean is going to be a star Don't tell me you're not pulling for Beaner being on a team somewhere
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Jun 20, 2016 23:20
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Jackets might trade their pick, might not, who knows https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/745821600625344512
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Jun 23, 2016 04:45
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"finnish guy might know something troubling about finnish prospects" seems like extraordinarily baseless speculation
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Jun 23, 2016 04:58
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Heaf posted:Jackets might trade their pick, might not, who knows gently caress I bet the Flames are gonna get it
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Jun 23, 2016 06:50
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/16425200/auston-matthews-patrik-laine-go-1-2-final-mock-draft-2016-nhl-draft Pronman's mock. Good news for Canucks fans — he says that it is pretty likely that Vancouver takes Dubios. Even better news for Canucks fans — he says there's also a good chance that it's Calgary who takes Logan Brown.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:06
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For all the Canucks fans' hand wringing, I really doubt Benning does anything noteworthy tomorrow at all. He'll draft whichever is leftover between Tkachuk and Dubois tomorrow and leave it at that. He's a terrible GM, but I think he knows he'll lose what little is left of his support if he does anything to make headlines. His real focus is going to be July 1st (and the interview period I guess) where he'll probably splash a good $10-12M per year on the first day. Ugh.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:12
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Anyone think the Flyers will trade-up/trade for another 1st for the draft? They have a 1st, 2 2's, and 2 3's as ammo. Cant see them using all of those picks and contract slots.
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Jun 23, 2016 18:16
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DOOP posted:Anyone think the Flyers will trade-up/trade for another 1st for the draft? They have a 1st, 2 2's, and 2 3's as ammo. Cant see them using all of those picks and contract slots. They might try and trade up, but not for contract slot reasons. Drafted players count towards the reserve list total (which is 80) until they are signed. A team has 50 contract slots, but that only includes players signed to an NHL contract (which currently sits at 34). You can hold the rights to a bunch more players than you have signed.
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Jun 23, 2016 19:23
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DOOP posted:Anyone think the Flyers will trade-up/trade for another 1st for the draft? They have a 1st, 2 2's, and 2 3's as ammo. Cant see them using all of those picks and contract slots. I'm sure Hexy has shopped the idea around a bit, but he doesn't strike me as the type to lean on that idea much.
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A couple blogs on the Nation Network released a top 60 draft prospect magazine if anyone is interested in reading a bit more about the guy their team takes tomorrow. https://issuu.com/mhenderson95/docs/magazine/1
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