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Jan 8, 2022 05:43
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used to be, when mATX was a thing there are still a few on the market, but the wide scale death of mATX has limited the number of cases from actual brands https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811197012
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Jan 8, 2022 05:56
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mATX motherboards aren't that rare, are they?
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Jan 8, 2022 05:58
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Rinkles posted:mATX motherboards aren't that rare, are they? compared to the past, yeah. and you can make a compact ATX case very slightly larger (like the Meshify C), so why bother making mATX specific cases? space focused buyers are probably going ITX. so mATX ended up a bit of a no man’s land in sizes.
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Jan 8, 2022 06:03
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Cygni posted:compared to the past, yeah. and you can make a compact ATX case very slightly larger (like the Meshify C), so why bother making mATX specific cases? space focused buyers are probably going ITX. so mATX ended up a bit of a no man’s land in sizes. It's just that ITX boards come with more of a price premium (mATX mobos are often just cutdown variants of ATX boards). But I get that SFF is typically a premium segment.
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Jan 8, 2022 06:08
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I feel like most mATX cases are poorly equipped to handle modern GPUs. They're mostly just miniature midtowers with bottom-mounted PSUs that stifle your GPU's airflow. It's even worse if there's a PSU shroud, and your GPU has about an inch or two to breathe only. I'd like to see more creativity in the mATX space. The O11 mini was a good start, but it's still built to accommodate full ATX as well.
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Jan 8, 2022 06:13
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Haven't seen a high end mATX board in what feels like forever. Fondly remembering my Asus Maximus Gene (insert whatever roman numeral it was) z77 board and 3570k that my 7970 took out when it puffed the magic smoke. Board, CPU, GPU, all died which led me to the 6700K + 1080 combo I still got going today.
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Jan 8, 2022 08:08
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SFF fans will pay a premium for ITX boards, and people who think they need 50 phase VRMs like world record OCers will buy $500+ ATX boards. The mATX board comes with an air of "doesn't try hard enough" so manufacturers probably think they can't sell mATX boards for those $500. While technically mATX would be sufficient for most users ever since multi-GPU setups died, there's a chicken/egg problem where at least in the past, mATX was for budget mainboards so enthusiasts didn't buy them so there was no incentive to make high-end mATX boards. And yeah if you can make a case slightly bigger and put a full ATX board in there, why bother. Just buy the $200 ITX board.
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Jan 8, 2022 11:10
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Yeah, there's not enough room for a whole form factor between the NR200 and the smaller ATX cases.
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Jan 8, 2022 11:39
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I think I shared it a while back (or may have been in another thread) but I’ve done two builds with this case which I ended up going with because I had an mATX board but wanted to try for a SSF-like build and it’s functionally the same size as the NR200 but can do both ITX and mATX: https://www.newegg.com/amp/p/N82E16811197012 I’ve been pretty happy… I think at one point I had a full sized power supply in one build (since switched out to the smaller Corsair model) and I’ve used both an EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra and a Sapphire 6800xt whatever it’s called so the case can definitely handle larger cards.
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Jan 8, 2022 19:57
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Is there a catch given it's pretty cheap?
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Jan 8, 2022 20:01
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Rinkles posted:Is there a catch given it's pretty cheap? None that I can recall… I bought one and liked it so much I ended up getting a second. You may need slim fans at either the top and/or bottom depending on mATX or power supply or CPU cooler dimensions. Honestly i was impressed… it comes with a bracket for either power supply configuration.
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Jan 8, 2022 22:00
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The SAMA is like a mATX NR200, just a little bigger. The build quality is probably not quite as good but the price is right.
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Jan 8, 2022 22:28
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Ooh, that's a timely suggestion -- thanks! I needed mATX for some lab builds because I needed more than one PCIe slot, but didn't need to go full ATX. On the STX side though... is the Deskmini X300(W) just discontinued now? I got one last year from Newegg but had to RMA it (I have not had good luck with them being functional out of the box... or I've over-torqued my NH-D9s) and haven't seen it back in stock anywhere reputable since then.
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Jan 16, 2022 07:29
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movax posted:Ooh, that's a timely suggestion -- thanks! I needed mATX for some lab builds because I needed more than one PCIe slot, but didn't need to go full ATX. They released an updated version, the H470, but that also seems to be out of stock everywhere.
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Jan 16, 2022 15:42
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I'm doing the upgrade and shuffle dance, and long story short I'll have a 9700k that I want to put into an NR200 case, but I'll need a motherboard and cooler for it. Anyone have suggestions on what I could buy new online that isn't > $200 for a mb, or am I gonna be stuck looking for used stuff on ebay?
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Jan 16, 2022 15:52
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Krailor posted:They released an updated version, the H470, but that also seems to be out of stock everywhere. Oh — that’s Intel (maybe I posted the wrong model number above); looking for the AMD AM4 one so I can put my 5700G in it…
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Jan 16, 2022 17:43
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Its called X300 now and you can pick up warehouse versions off amazon in the $130 range. edit: This is the link. Amazon Warehouse options will pop up a couple times a month. Use Camel or Keepa to set an alert. Comatoast fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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Jan 16, 2022 22:26
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Comatoast posted:Its called X300 now and you can pick up warehouse versions off amazon in the $130 range. Huhh. Amazon keeps giving prebuilts and other poo poo when I search for 'X300' / Deskmini X300.
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Jan 17, 2022 01:41
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movax posted:Huhh. Amazon keeps giving prebuilts and other poo poo when I search for 'X300' / Deskmini X300. I see it as out of stock on Amazon, but newegg has it via eBay for better return policy.
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Jan 17, 2022 02:03
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Of course after I order it... https://www.anandtech.com/show/17213/asrock-unveils-deskmeet-sff-pc-platform-with-intel-b660-amd-x300-chipsets quote:ASRock is delivering all this in a chassis with a 8L volume with two configurations - one based on the Intel B660 platform, and another based on the AMD X300 chipset (AM4 socket). The key specifications of the two systems are summarized in the table below. Weird that it doesn't use SFX power supplies. Dual LAN would have been fantastic too... it's like, weird ITX to get your 4 DIMM slots, mostly?
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Jan 19, 2022 01:08
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I’ve bought an FE 3080ti at RRP with the intention of building a PC and selling it, because the local PC shops in my area charge huge markup and I could undercut them while still making enough of a profit to make it worthwhile for me. Also I enjoyed building my PC last year and I want an excuse to tinker around with parts I don’t have in my own system. My intention was to build ITX PCs because I think there’s a gap in the market here. I see someone else on Facebook marketplace doing exactly what I want to, but with normal ATX cases, and his adverts are always gone after a few days so clearly they’re selling. I live in Luxembourg where there’s a huge amount of young urban professionals with high disposable incomes but small living spaces, either studio apartments or rooms in shared houses, because rent is insane here, hence my thought that I’d be able to fill a niche by offering no compromise size optimised builds. With that in mind do you think a 3080ti and 12600K in an NR200 would be feasible, power and cooling wise? My own NR200 with a 3080 and 5600X has been absolutely great when it comes to noise and thermals and I’m very experienced with the case now and cable management to make it look attractive. However it looks like the z690 ITX boards are slim pickings and cooler compatibility is generally very bad because of the huge heat sinks and stacked m.2 ports on a lot of the boards. Would I be better off putting the 3080ti in an ATX case and waiting for better ITX options to become available if I manage to get another GPU? Maybe by then AMD will have released Zen 3D and I could build around a b550 board instead, for which the compatibilities are well known and documented.
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Jan 23, 2022 16:54
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Trying to decide whether to replace the internals of my Node 304 or build from scratch in an NR200. I have two 3.5inch 4TB drives in a Windows Storage Spaces mirror that I'd like to keep, can't quite figure out the drive mount options in the NR200 and what else they restrict/limit. Current system drive is a 2.5in SATA but would replace that with M.2 so don't need to keep that in there really. Node 304 has nice drive mounting options but the airflow/temps have always been pretty meh.
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Jan 24, 2022 22:46
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Tunga posted:Trying to decide whether to replace the internals of my Node 304 or build from scratch in an NR200. I have two 3.5inch 4TB drives in a Windows Storage Spaces mirror that I'd like to keep, can't quite figure out the drive mount options in the NR200 and what else they restrict/limit. Current system drive is a 2.5in SATA but would replace that with M.2 so don't need to keep that in there really. Node 304 has nice drive mounting options but the airflow/temps have always been pretty meh. You can officially mount two 2.5" on the front of the case, one 3.5" on the PSU cage (may interfere with side mounted radiators), one 3.5" on the side bracket (will block larger side mounted radiators and vertical GPUs). You could also cram in extras on the bottom of the case and maybe another on the side panel if you have a shorter cpu cooler or mod a top mount rad, but it's getting questionable at that point. ephphatha fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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Jan 24, 2022 23:40
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ephphatha posted:You can officially mount two 2.5" on the front of the case, one 3.5" on the PSU cage (may interfere with side mounted radiators), one 3.5" on the side bracket (will block larger side mounted radiators and vertical GPUs). You could also cram in extras on the bottom of the case and maybe another on the side panel if you have a shorter cpu cooler or mod a top mount rad, but it's getting questionable at that point. Thanks, this was a much better description than any of the spec sheets. I think I'll have a look through those drives and see if I can get rid of them or maybe downsize to a couple of cheap 2.5in drives.
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Jan 27, 2022 01:17
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Tunga posted:Thanks, this was a much better description than any of the spec sheets. I think I'll have a look through those drives and see if I can get rid of them or maybe downsize to a couple of cheap 2.5in drives. Convert the old components in the 304 to a NAS.
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Jan 27, 2022 21:12
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Butterfly Valley posted:I’ve bought an FE 3080ti at RRP with the intention of building a PC and selling it, because the local PC shops in my area charge huge markup and I could undercut them while still making enough of a profit to make it worthwhile for me. Also I enjoyed building my PC last year and I want an excuse to tinker around with parts I don’t have in my own system. My intention was to build ITX PCs because I think there’s a gap in the market here. I see someone else on Facebook marketplace doing exactly what I want to, but with normal ATX cases, and his adverts are always gone after a few days so clearly they’re selling. I live in Luxembourg where there’s a huge amount of young urban professionals with high disposable incomes but small living spaces, either studio apartments or rooms in shared houses, because rent is insane here, hence my thought that I’d be able to fill a niche by offering no compromise size optimised builds. Are your customers married to Intel? The NR200 can do stupid poo poo cooling wise, that's not your issue. Mount some intakes on the bottom of the case if you're worried--it has the same layout as the Ncase M1 and bottom intakes for an air cooled FE card will probably get you better performance than a comparable ATX case. I personally don't think I'd build with any of the Intel 11 or 12 series chips unless the board has some killer feature I can't live without. And if you're not overclocking anyway, you're not going to run into heat problems from your chip as long as you're not trying to do something silly like put a Noctua Li-9 on a 10950k. I can't shake the feeling that there's something I'm missing here.
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Jan 27, 2022 22:33
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Warmachine posted:Are your customers married to Intel? The NR200 can do stupid poo poo cooling wise, that's not your issue. Mount some intakes on the bottom of the case if you're worried--it has the same layout as the Ncase M1 and bottom intakes for an air cooled FE card will probably get you better performance than a comparable ATX case. He said he cant get his hands on top tier AMD ITX mobos right now. That said, Z690 mobos are really expensive and there aren't that many using DDR4. VulgarandStupid fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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Jan 28, 2022 05:50
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What if an ever expanding top hat to allow for ever expanding CPU CLC radiators (and ever expanding GPUs)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2APNNZhX6i4 I will say though that "ultra fine" mesh does not look that fine
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Jan 28, 2022 20:54
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Phanteks' "ultra-fine mesh" metal panels have 1mm hole sizes. Lian Li typically uses 1.5mm, for comparison.
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Jan 28, 2022 21:15
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The United States posted:What if an ever expanding top hat to allow for ever expanding CPU CLC radiators (and ever expanding GPUs)? drat that case looks nice 
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Jan 28, 2022 21:29
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Not sure if it's the right thread for it, but I want to make a HTPC for watching (4K) video and also doubling as my home server. Nextcloud, Jellyfin, and Matrix would be its heaviest tasks. Would a J5040 board be a good pick? It's fanless, has all the ports I need (4x SATA, HDMI 2.0, SPDIF), and while officially limited to 8GB users report that it can run up to 16GB no problem. Seems a much better bang for my buck compared to e.g. an i3/Ryzen with a fanless cooler, as long as the Pentium isn't like, hilariously underpowered, or has known issues with HW acceleration for video transcoding.
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Jan 29, 2022 01:40
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The United States posted:What if an ever expanding top hat m'ITX 
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Jan 29, 2022 06:39
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Warmachine posted:Are your customers married to Intel? The NR200 can do stupid poo poo cooling wise, that's not your issue. Mount some intakes on the bottom of the case if you're worried--it has the same layout as the Ncase M1 and bottom intakes for an air cooled FE card will probably get you better performance than a comparable ATX case. Sorry, it was a rather stream of consciousness post where I was thinking out loud. I'll break it down: - I want to build an ITX system to sell as that's more of a unique service compared to the other hobbyists building and selling full size PCs around me - I wanted to build with an Alder Lake chip so I could reasonably market the completed system as having the fastest and most recent tech inside (and also just for the fun of building with Intel as my own system is Zen 3) - I built my own system in the NR200 a year ago so I know what I'm doing when it comes to cable routing and making it look clean and poo poo - I didn't want to use an AIO for cooling the CPU because that would mean side mounting it in the NR200 and not being able to use the glass side panel to see any RGB components I might want to put inside, as RGB sells - Z690 ITX motherboard compatibility sucks with most of the decent air coolers that fit in the NR200 As it is, I've decided that rather than trying to force the NR200, I might push myself and build in the Meshlicious, using the standoff mod to allow more air circulation around the FE 3080ti cooler. AIO compatibility with Z690 ITX boards is better, and the Meshlicious looks good with a couple of RGB fans on the front radiator.
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Jan 29, 2022 14:05
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having a hard time finding good dimensions for RAM. I don't need the crazy server low profile sticks, but I would like to get to under 35mm including heat spreader etc, and a bit lower would be better to slide in under a Alpenfohn Black Ridge. Looks like Corsair LPX and Team T-Force Vulcan T will work; any other thoughts or suggestions? Those both don't seem to be readily available in 3600/16 - can find 3600/18 easily, but not faster timings. I'm going to chop the heat spreader off my junk oloy ram (36 mm, just a bit too tall!) just to see if it works but if I break it I need a backup.
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Jan 29, 2022 16:11
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:having a hard time finding good dimensions for RAM. I don't need the crazy server low profile sticks, but I would like to get to under 35mm including heat spreader etc, and a bit lower would be better to slide in under a Alpenfohn Black Ridge. Looks like Corsair LPX and Team T-Force Vulcan T will work; any other thoughts or suggestions? Those both don't seem to be readily available in 3600/16 - can find 3600/18 easily, but not faster timings. I briefly toyed with the idea of buying naked RAM and adding my own aftermarket low profile heat spreader but it was really hard to find what I felt were reliable reviews as to how they performed. That led to a rabbit hole on whether the heat spreaders were even necessary … but then I chickened out and got some LPX. Thank you for hearing my tale of cowardice.
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Jan 29, 2022 18:35
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If the RAM doesn’t come with a heat spreader it doesn’t need one. And most (all?) RAM that does come with one doesn’t need it either.
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Jan 30, 2022 13:47
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TwoDeer posted:I briefly toyed with the idea of buying naked RAM and adding my own aftermarket low profile heat spreader but it was really hard to find what I felt were reliable reviews as to how they performed. That led to a rabbit hole on whether the heat spreaders were even necessary … but then I chickened out and got some LPX. Thank you for hearing my tale of cowardice. I see you, and support you. GutBomb posted:If the RAM doesn’t come with a heat spreader it doesn’t need one. And most (all?) RAM that does come with one doesn’t need it either. this is generally what I suspect, and it's an open case with good ventilation and will get airflow from the CPU fan so I highly doubt it needs the spreader. I'll go naked and report back 
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Jan 31, 2022 15:23
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:this is generally what I suspect, and it's an open case with good ventilation and will get airflow from the CPU fan so I highly doubt it needs the spreader. I'll go naked and report back I accidentally popped off one of the heat spreaders when mounting my CPU cooler and the stick hasn't had any issues two years in.
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Jan 31, 2022 15:43
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I'm trying to figure out what AIO cooler I could fit on the Asus ROG Z690-I board but it seems like all the good ones have compatibility issues with either the RAM or one of the bits of plastic Asus stuck all over it. I'm guessing the Asus AIOs fit, but they aren't particularly great. Anyone have any other ideas? Not really interested in modding/removing pieces from brand new hardware. This question feels pretty niche but figured I'd ask on the off chance anyone has tackled this.
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