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The latest GN video about GPU power transients is a must-watch for anyone in the SFF space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ tl;dr be very afraid of putting a high-power nvidia 40 series on a SFF PSU when they come out later this year, because there is a real possibility that they will produce neat-kilowatt power spikes and a mini-PSU can't handle it
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Klyith posted:The latest GN video about GPU power transients is a must-watch for anyone in the SFF space.
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I imagine those cards will be too large to fit anyway. It was a chore just finding a 2 slot card in the current gen.
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Is there any hope that AMD becomes the counterpart that isn’t hot, loud and hungry (but enough about OPs mom)? I watched it last night and man I care about performance.. but not that much. I already have my 3070 slightly underclocked and undervolted because lower temps and draw are worth the 1-2fps for me. I figure I can’t really rely on that if the card is made ground up to be a power hog right?
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Both of them are rumoured to push voltage beyond reason to have the longer dick in benchmarks. You should still be able to take one of these insane cards and undervolt/underclock them just fine, but you're going to be paying "SUPER GAMER OC+++" prices for it anyway. Or just buy the workstation cards because those actually aren't built for "+50% power draw, +5% performance" applications. Sucks their prices make scalpers look generous 
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GPUs will need to get their power draw under control or high-end SFF machines will have to move toward GaN based PSUs as a rule if we're to avoid moving the PSU outside the chassis. I think I just saw an SFX PSU featuring GaN. I'd rather not hop onto those immediately but 2nd and 3rd generation SFX GaN PSUs seem like a good time to jump in.
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buglord posted:Is there any hope that AMD becomes the counterpart that isn’t hot, loud and hungry (but enough about OPs mom)? amd looks to be MCM and doing a good general uplift with a max of 300w or so the rumors say. Will they beat 450W 40 series, no but if you need a new gpu with good drivers AMD is a decent choice.
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necrobobsledder posted:GPUs will need to get their power draw under control or high-end SFF machines will have to move toward GaN based PSUs as a rule if we're to avoid moving the PSU outside the chassis. I think I just saw an SFX PSU featuring GaN. I'd rather not hop onto those immediately but 2nd and 3rd generation SFX GaN PSUs seem like a good time to jump in. I'm not familiar with this acronym.
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Gallium Nitride. See https://wccftech.com/the-worlds-smallest-fanless-atx-psu-pictured-meet-the-hdplex-250w-with-gallium-nitride-technology/ for what can happen to PSUs thanks to the FETs getting substantially smaller / more efficient
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mega dy posted:They'll just make a SFX-L psu that can handle it. Life will find a way. owls or something posted:I imagine those cards will be too large to fit anyway. It was a chore just finding a 2 slot card in the current gen.  Warmachine posted:I'm not familiar with this acronym. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfTXZP2DB20 Assepoester fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPUWSBn4Fys&t=353s It's not mini-ITX, but does it still count as SFF if it's less than 20 liters? Seriously though, that case seems good. The dan cases/lian li collab is bringing out some good results.
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That's pretty cool, the GPU shenanigans since 2020 made me get off the tiny SFF case train and I dislike AIOs anyway. Big fan of putting a baby head cooler and (mostly) any modern GPU into a smallish case though.
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We’re going to see some wild custom loop setups with that case.
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I think that may have broke me of my itch to try and build a sub 10L pc. I think the main complaint I have with my node304 is the desk space it takes up. I could probably be happy with that more vertical layout.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPUWSBn4Fys&t=353s 2x140s on the gpu is my sff-adjacent dream e: the front panel is ugly as sin, needs to be mesh / same as side panel and support a 120mm fan option where the 2.5 ssd'd arive denereal visease fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jul 2, 2022 |
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Been sent here by the big boy large case goons. I haven't made a custo since 2014 and I have a bug up my rear end to make a smaller case since my last one was jumbo huge. I got lucky and snagged a 3080 FE and plan on building around that but due to its fans, and playing catch up after 8 years of no makey desktops all the reviews have me scared. Vertical itx cases I have seen bitch about the gpu fans and same for many of the standard configs. was looking at the LIAN LI Q58, Phanteks Evolv Shift XT, and the Phanteks Evolv Shift 2 Air Mini-ITX but I need smart take that isn't a streamer who ether is paid to like it or just gets angry as a brand help me obi wan
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Upsidads posted:Been sent here by the big boy large case goons. Meshlicious.
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Romes128 posted:Meshlicious. God drat it I was just looking at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsgIfN_DEM his review bitched about cable issues that I just cant figure out if its gonna be a problem for FE
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Upsidads posted:God drat it I was just looking at it. The inner tray isn't solid, it has large gaps, should be fine. Also if you have a PSU with the braided cables that's preferable. I had a Silverstone SFX-L with those stiff rubber cables and I fought for my life getting them in the right places. e- I saw in the video it's the output cables that had issues, not the PSU cables. I just ordered some extended feet of etsy and it was fine. There's also files on the website to 3d print ur own extended feet. Romes128 fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jul 2, 2022 |
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i have the meshlicious with one of the corsair sf600 platinum power supplies and it wasnt very difficult to fit everything together. works great.
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Deal! It aint pretty but its solid all around
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Idk about the meshilicious but getting some custom cables made everything fit super nicely in my Dan-a4, I'll definitely do that for future builds. Maybe DIY.
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I'm a big fan of the Lian Li 215 for a relatively low cost easy case with good airflow, that 216 seems to be a nice improvement for hopefully around the same cost.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPUWSBn4Fys&t=353s I like everything about this. I hope there's a full silver version coming. I'm going to guess that the only reason why it doesn't completely trash the NR200P is price.
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Seems a lot like the SAMA IM01
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If I want a vertically-oriented, minimal-looking ITX case that has both USB-A and USB-C on top, should I be looking at anything other than the Meshlicious? It seems like it ticks those boxes better than anything else I'm seeing, but maybe I'm missing something. Assuming the Mesh is the answer, how ridiculous is it to go with air cooling even though it's clearly built with a radiator in mind? I'm thinking that an AIO is pointless for a 12400, so was considering going with an NH-L12S and a couple of 140mm fans in the front and calling it a day, but wanted to sanity check this.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPUWSBn4Fys&t=353s Lian li cases are dope, and if the rumors regarding the next gen of Nvidia GPUs are true, it looks like I'll be looking at some bigger case options in the near future.
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Scythe posted:If I want a vertically-oriented, minimal-looking ITX case that has both USB-A and USB-C on top, should I be looking at anything other than the Meshlicious? It seems like it ticks those boxes better than anything else I'm seeing, but maybe I'm missing something. The Sliger CL530 is vertically oriented and has USB A & C on its front panel. It also allows a NH-L12S, which I’m currently using in it right now. 
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Upsidads posted:God drat it I was just looking at it. The main thing I'd be worried about is the FE's fan layout doesn't play nicely with the stock configuration because it exhausts straight into the back of the motherboard. There's mods out there that involve various standoffs, either giving you space behind the motherboard to route cables or extending the GPU out to let it breathe. 
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I decided to buy this pc from this thread. I need to find a case for it to make a cute little PC for my wife. It's SFF and comes with a cooler that is 112mm in height. I'm looking at various cases and they say this exceeds their height limit but it looks like there's plenty of room in there something like the Sugo. Will I have issues? Is the height restriction for airflow important? Can someone recommend a cute lil case that holds a full size PSU and this? Edit- a bit more poking I think this will do it but if anyone has any thoughts I appreciate them! https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Core-Computer-Chassis-CA-1B8-00S6WN-01/dp/B015UDUAKG/ref=psdc_3012292011_t1_B00U8IS89E Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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Scythe posted:
Check out the machines and more YouTube channel. He has a video about air cooling the mesh and more build videos. I’d cooling is releasing a is-55 argb cooler soon that might beat the others.
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Air cooling is perfectly possible in the Meshilicious with some low-profile coolers. Just make sure you still put two exhaust fans in. They're basically essential to making the case work.
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Thank you Butterfly Valley I will do this.
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My first SFF build using a Lian Li Tu150. B550/5600x/32gb ram/ MSI 3080. Yeah it's a bit overkill but it's mostly second hand parts with some creative shopping. Really fun to build in, in some ways easier than a mid tower, helps to have smallish hands, I think I did decent cable management so there is decent airflow. Not too much RBG, the 3080 is pretty comical in there but it fits! The carrying handle is awesome and i'm surprised most SFFs don't seem to have them. Motherboard was just about right with the headers I wanted, only complaint is that the front audio connector is in an awkward place. I think the case could use an extra half inch or so taller feet so the GPU can draw in more air but I didn't really see temps much higher than my mid tower during testing.  
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not super overkill  maybe the RAM is too much but it depends on what you do-- anyone mounted their NCase M1 to the underside of a standing desk? looking for any advice / recommendations for mounts, installation tips, caveats, etc. i know i'll probably want to buy an AIO to reduce stress from the cooler on the mother board...
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Speaking of Ncase m1, I was at Microcenter last night and bought all my parts. anyone have a heads up on a good fit and available 3080 ? 
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Cheese Thief posted:Speaking of Ncase m1, I was at Microcenter last night and bought all my parts. Get a proper tower cooler, the NH-L9a is for low power HTPCs or when you're extremely tight on CPU cooler height.
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What might you suggest? I was looking through pcparts picker and see “Noctua NH-C14S, Premium CPU Cooler with NF-A14 PWM 140mm Fan” Is it recommended?
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Cheese Thief posted:What might you suggest? I was looking through pcparts picker and see I’m using these to cool a 5800x and 5900x at near silent operation under load, temps topping out at around 80-83c. Though I think I swapped the Noctua fans for Arctics due to my constant need to tinker.
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