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Finally upgraded my 7 year old computer, previously and i3 with an amd 6870 in an ncase m1. It's now an 8700k with an asrock fatal1ty z370 and an evga 1080. I used a be quiet dark rock tf cpu heatsink which doesn't quite fit without modification. I had to dremel off about 1/8" of the lower heatsink in order to clear the ram's heatsink. The cooler clears the gpu by about 1/4". It's really quiet, the loudest thing in my computer now is an old laptop hdd I had been using for extra storage, which will probably be removed soon. It's a wee bit faster now, too.
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Is there any case/chassis similar to an Intel NUC kit that takes a 3.5" drive?
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Jan 31, 2018 02:10
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Less Fat Luke posted:Is there any case/chassis similar to an Intel NUC kit that takes a 3.5" drive? lol that would be gigantic, and stupid. Surely you mean a 2.5"? If not, uhhh, get an external chassis for the drive and duct-tape it to a NUC?
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Feb 1, 2018 02:05
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Zero VGS posted:lol that would be gigantic, and stupid. Surely you mean a 2.5"? 
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Feb 1, 2018 02:17
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you're probably better off with a drive toaster preferably one of those horizontal lay-flat ones
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Feb 1, 2018 02:19
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Instead of a gaming SFF, how stupid would it be to run something like a NUC with an external GPU? I'm talking GTX 1080 class GPU. I figure there's always an overhead with an external GPU but it seems so much easier to manage the temperature, and so I would guess less thermal throttle. Maybe it gets even in the end?
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Feb 2, 2018 04:17
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Asus VivoMini VM45 takes a 3.5" drive.
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Feb 2, 2018 04:34
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eGPUs don’t give you the bandwidth for demanding games. They’ll render your .psds or premiere files like crazy though
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Feb 2, 2018 04:35
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Surely someone like TechReport has done a review on an external gpu right?
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Feb 2, 2018 14:50
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Just wait for the hades canyon NUC 
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Feb 2, 2018 15:10
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Olivil posted:Instead of a gaming SFF, how stupid would it be to run something like a NUC with an external GPU? I'm talking GTX 1080 class GPU. I'm with you here but eGPUs lose a good 30% performance off the top and have their own wonky build requirements and compatibility issues. Then your CPU will get taxed enough to cause problems bc of heat management and you'll be spending more making the eGPU stuff work instead of just shoving it all into an RVZ01 or whatever. But man I want to make it work. I have a 7700k and 1080 in an ITX and game on a 144Hz 1440p monitor (gsync). CPU only gets higher than 70C when the room gets hot. I think I just really want a NUC for some reason.
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Feb 3, 2018 06:36
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jokes posted:I'm with you here but eGPUs lose a good 30% performance off the top and have their own wonky build requirements and compatibility issues. Then your CPU will get taxed enough to cause problems bc of heat management and you'll be spending more making the eGPU stuff work instead of just shoving it all into an RVZ01 or whatever. But man I want to make it work. We have very similar builds. I'm using ML08+1080+7600k. What kind of OC were you able to sustain, and what CPU cooler do you use?
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Feb 4, 2018 06:55
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CPU never goes above 68C on my 8600k at 4.8ghz on a z370 fatality board and an old lovely h60 corsair in a phanteks evolv shift, with an asus 1080 turbo.
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Feb 4, 2018 07:21
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Olivil posted:Instead of a gaming SFF, how stupid would it be to run something like a NUC with an external GPU? I'm talking GTX 1080 class GPU.
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Feb 4, 2018 15:25
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Llamadeus posted:Most GPU enclosures are basically the same size and price as the DAN Case, so I don't see the benefits outweighing separating the GPU and downgrading the processor to a NUC class CPU. My DANCase is coming any day now and I couldn't be more giddy. Sadly, I won't be transferring my PC to it until later this year when I grab a new GPU.
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Feb 6, 2018 22:01
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Yep so I bought a DAN A4 v3, should receive it in June, see you then!
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Feb 6, 2018 22:16
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I hope GPU prices return to sanity. I didn't buy a particular version of the 1080 Ti when it first came out waiting for the price to drop after the initial release and welp lol RIP.
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Feb 6, 2018 23:08
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Olivil posted:Instead of a gaming SFF, how stupid would it be to run something like a NUC with an external GPU? I'm talking GTX 1080 class GPU. You're going to be CPU bottlenecking yourself on a lot of games with the standard NUCs (anything except Skull Canyon) since they use 15W U-series processors. It looks like there are Kaby Lake-R models out now so you could get a quad-core, but from what I've read the 15W quads run much slower under prolonged load than 35-45W ones. It might not hold a 1050 or 1060 back much depending on the application, but still I think a laptop with a 7700HQ and mobile 1060 would be cheaper than the NUC+enclosure+GPU and probably perform better. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Feb 6, 2018 23:29
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I got a 1080 Ti hybrid because I didn't see any end to the cryptocurrency mining boom back in September, and while I was kinda hating myself for buying a $800 graphics card (why bother with a $500 1070 when the Ti was now so close in price?). And now, I'm just shaking my head at how much worse it got but glad I wasn't wrong either.
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Feb 7, 2018 15:00
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I finally got a second M2 drive and no longer have any Sata or sata power cables in my Ncase. I was somehow expecting it to make everything a lot cleaner but it’s not a big difference. One day they need to start cleaning up power delivery cables.
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Feb 7, 2018 20:52
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Llamadeus posted:Most GPU enclosures are basically the same size and price as the DAN Case, so I don't see the benefits outweighing separating the GPU and downgrading the processor to a NUC class CPU. So much this. NUC + external GPU makes no sense vs a mini-ITX build in an Dan A4. The NUC solution would be much more unwieldy; use non-standard parts, and be slower.
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Feb 7, 2018 21:39
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I wonder what happened to all the goons who were going on and on about using a Skull Canyon NUC with a razer core. Did they all realize they overpaid and performance was lack luster and shut up?
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VulgarandStupid posted:I wonder what happened to all the goons who were going on and on about using a Skull Canyon NUC with a razer core. Did they all realize they overpaid and performance was lack luster and shut up? I mean, the main thing is that the Razer Core and friends are all like, $10 worth of parts. If they became commoditized like external hard drive chassis, it'd be a decent value combo. Here's someone doing eGPU to M.2 for $49 shipped, it's only a matter of time before we see cheap eGPU TB3: https://www.ebay.com/itm/R3G-laptop...KV7Kxs1-wU67Q8w Looks like if you make a DIY box, the guts to a real TB3 eGPU is here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Akitio-Thu...6EAAOSwkV5aa9Mk
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Feb 7, 2018 22:11
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Alright so for those interested, DAN just emailed the newsletter with the full changes for the A4 SFX v3:quote:What's new? Talking about the Asetek 545LC, anybody knows where to buy one in Canada? Ordering one directly from Asetek comes down to about 140$ USD with shipping, which is ridiculous...
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Feb 8, 2018 00:31
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Not to throw shade, but I'd be skeptical of that Lian Li riser... I've tested multi-shielded risers of that length and they all have trouble doing a full PCIe 3X, often the screen will blank out and I'll need to turn things down to 2X in the BIOS. I'd be almost positive it ain't gonna work with 4X when that's out. The previous 3M-brand riser is expensive but it always works because it uses twinaxial cable which is way more crosstalk resistant.
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Feb 8, 2018 01:33
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The Lian Li riser also use twin-axial shielding, here is Dan's post on SFFForum:dondan posted:Here are the first pictures of the new riser cables for the A4-SFX v3. Fingers crossed!
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Olivil posted:The Lian Li riser also use twin-axial shielding, here is Dan's post on SFFForum: Oh, well then, great work. That could be great news for SFF in general if Lian Li is able to crank those out for anyone. 3M charges gently caress You prices because they were the only game in town, nice to have competition.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:36
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My mom's lovely desktop is on its last legs, and I've finally convinced her to let me build something smaller, quieter, and more reliable for her. I have the parts lined up, and I was looking at the Node 202 for the case. I just have one question, though: you can buy it with a 450w PSU included... so is this PSU any good? I'm trying to save her as much money as I can (while also keeping this thing small, as her space is limited), and that'd shave off a good chunk of the price. She's not using her computer for anything more than simple grandma stuff like checking her email and ordering things from Amazon, so she's not going to use that 450w by any stretch of the imagination; I'm just unfamiliar with the quality of it. I don't want it blowing up on her, in other words. Anyone have any experience with it?
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Feb 15, 2018 23:21
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What about a cheap laptop?
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Feb 15, 2018 23:34
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Anyone seen this yet? The new Intel Nucs with Radeon Vega and HBM 2 in them: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12226/intels-hades-canyon-nucs-with-radeon-graphics-are-official-799999-shipping-in-spring-2018 The one thing that seems like it could be a really good application for them... they are within 100w TDP and Intel is touting that they can run VR well, so you could build a battery pack for them and run around with it as a fanny-pack PC. Of course, $800 / $1000 while still not including storage/ram and no upgradability aside from those is a little steep, but that's an awfully small form factor.
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Feb 15, 2018 23:42
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Zero VGS posted:Anyone seen this yet? By the time they’re out, no one is going to want to pay that much for RX560-570 performance, unless laptop RAM is somehow that much cheaper.
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Feb 16, 2018 01:28
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Gonkish posted:My mom's lovely desktop is on its last legs, and I've finally convinced her to let me build something smaller, quieter, and more reliable for her. I have the parts lined up, and I was looking at the Node 202 for the case. I just have one question, though: you can buy it with a 450w PSU included... so is this PSU any good? I'm trying to save her as much money as I can (while also keeping this thing small, as her space is limited), and that'd shave off a good chunk of the price. why not a nuc? I think you can mount it on the back of a monitor too. I imagine it’s a price difference but I haven’t spec’d a low cost unit in awhile.
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Feb 16, 2018 01:41
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NUCs do come with a VESA mount in the box.
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Yeah, I recently put together a NUC for my mum for web browsing and office poo poo. Takes up exactly as much room as a keyboard/mouse and monitor would on their own and is much more ergonomic than a laptop since the screen can be adjusted independently of the keyboard (she was using a laptop and that was the primary reason she wanted to replace it). The only thing you need to do is make sure the monitor has way to attach a VESA plate without removing the stand.
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Feb 16, 2018 07:11
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I can only get my i7 8700k up to 4.5 GHz, under a Noctua D9l, in a Thermaltake Core v1. This is at about 1.3v and if I push it any higher the temperature goes above 90. I'm using a z370i Strix, and I'm wondering if anyone here with a similar setup has achieved better results than I. I'm having a lot of trouble with voltage, or doesn't seem to be sticking to the adaptive or offset limits I'm setting.
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Feb 18, 2018 08:47
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Zero VGS posted:Anyone seen this yet? looks promising but for me it all depends on the fan noise. hopefully it won't be as bad as the previous i7 nucs.
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Salted_Pork posted:I can only get my i7 8700k up to 4.5 GHz, under a Noctua D9l, in a Thermaltake Core v1. This is at about 1.3v and if I push it any higher the temperature goes above 90. I'm using a z370i Strix, and I'm wondering if anyone here with a similar setup has achieved better results than I. I'm having a lot of trouble with voltage, or doesn't seem to be sticking to the adaptive or offset limits I'm setting. I got 4.7 GHz. Same MB as you, but with a Cryorig C1 and 120mm Corsair ML fan, in a Ncase M1, plus three 120mm ML case fans. The CPU temps weren't too bad, I think mid-80s. But holy poo poo the thing sounded like a vacuum cleaner on max, and the VRM heatsinks were almost too hot to touch, so I kinda gave up after that. But then again maximising OC isn't really the point of SFF either, so I'm kinda okay with it as it is.
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Feb 18, 2018 15:38
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Salted_Pork posted:I can only get my i7 8700k up to 4.5 GHz, under a Noctua D9l, in a Thermaltake Core v1. This is at about 1.3v and if I push it any higher the temperature goes above 90. I'm using a z370i Strix, and I'm wondering if anyone here with a similar setup has achieved better results than I. I'm having a lot of trouble with voltage, or doesn't seem to be sticking to the adaptive or offset limits I'm setting. Delid it.
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Feb 19, 2018 00:57
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Salted_Pork posted:I can only get my i7 8700k up to 4.5 GHz, under a Noctua D9l, in a Thermaltake Core v1. This is at about 1.3v and if I push it any higher the temperature goes above 90. I'm using a z370i Strix, and I'm wondering if anyone here with a similar setup has achieved better results than I. I'm having a lot of trouble with voltage, or doesn't seem to be sticking to the adaptive or offset limits I'm setting. Are you on the most up-to-date BIOS version?
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Mooktastical posted:Are you on the most up-to-date BIOS version? Probs not, looking at the ASUS website I'm surprised there are so many BIOS versions after only 4 months. I thought it was something you could go your life without updating, but I guess Meltdown changed that. Do you think it will make a big difference though?
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