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If you look deeper in the site you can also order just the mobo for $300 less. And BYO enclosure.
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Gangringo posted:The real test is whether gaming loads throttle a notebook with the same chip, and how much more those notebooks cost. I would think that the desktop configuration would let them raise the power budget substantially versus what it would get in a laptop, due to not having battery concerns and being able to do more powerful cooling is the Framework desktop really running at laptop TDP?
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They said the full package power should average around 250W with spikes up towards 500W The CPU is listed at a 145 TDP but I don't know if that includes the onboard GPU.
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I'm pretty sure it includes the GPU; AMD lists the top configurable TDP for the chip as 120W in the spec sheet.
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Came here to ask about that new Framework. I think it’s what I’m in the market for, which is a effectively console that can play my steam games on the tv with a gamepad, and occasionally move to my desk/monitor and plug in a keyboard and mouse. I currently play older games on a dual booted 2019 mbp, but I’d like something that can handle a bit more, I guess cyberpunk or bg3 on very high settings would be my goal. The portability of a mini unit is also very appealing. Apartment living means I haven’t owned a desktop in ten years, and am way behind on any hardware trends. I’m not really excited to get back into all the graphics card specs and memory timings I used to follow. Having a pre configured unit that’s from a trusted company sounds great. So what I’m looking for is: is that new Framework likely to have decent graphics performance, even paying a bit more for a built unit, or is it really a gpu compute focussed machine? It feels like the marketing could be over hyping both the “AI” or the gaming angles and I can’t tell which.
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That is a really good question. Gaming benchmarks do seem to bear out its viability as a 1440p performer, and the initial GPGPU info suggests it’ll be more than capable with a huge pool of allocatable memory. In both cases it would be operating without Nvidia’s software advantages - CUDA on the compute side, DLSS and friends on the gaming side - but there are plenty of use cases that wouldn’t lean on those. I’m always pondering market trends and think this could be a hell of a solution for somebody, but am with you in wanting more info.
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I wanted to have an SFF build that prioritized power and drive space over everything else, including common sense, and came up with this:    It's an open GPU setup. The "case" is 4.9L. Basically the main idea was to build the most powerful computer I can that can also fit into my backpack when it is time to move. At first I considered using a FormD T1, but while that case is really great it limits what GPUs you can use. GPU's are getting larger and larger, and I'd like to have a case that does not limit what GPU's I can buy in the future. Even now, the only 5090 or 5080 that can fit into a T1 is the FE cards, which are not easy to find and is not ideal for that kind of sandwich layout case due to their flow-through design anyway. My portability requirement is moving every 3-4 months. If I moved more frequently I'd have either stayed with a T1, accepting its limitations, or simply went for a gaming laptop (also accepting its limitations). As it is I disliked that I had to accept compromising performance for portability in a system that will not really move anywhere for 99% of its existence. For my use case this kind of open GPU setup is pretty great. When it's time to move I remove the GPU and put it and the case separately into my backpack and cabin bag, protected decently well by a cardboard box and my clothing surrounding them. I tested it on a long haul flight and it has worked pretty well, no issuse with airport security. I'm working on making dedicated protective cases though for peace of mind. As for dust, from my experience an open GPU will collect dust at twice the rate of a GPU in a case. But ironically it's actually better for me this way because I'd always put off cleaning my closed systems as it would mean I'd have to open the case first. It's much easier to keep an open GPU clean by giving it a quick air-spray every other week or so. CPU: 9800X3D Cooler: AXP90 X47 Full Copper with Noctua NF-A12x25 fan Mobo: ROG STRIX X870-I RAM: Thull Apex 64gb 6000mhz (idk about the brand but it works) GPU: 5090 FE (got very lucky and snatched one at very near msrp) PSU: Cooler Master V1100 SFX Planned Storage: 2x8tb nvme ssd + 1x8tb 2.5" ssd + 1x24tb 3.5" hdd for a total of 48tb storage lol (ssd not installed yet for reasons explained below) Case: KL Cologne Chassis C34D from Taobao (via Superbuy). This company sells a variety of cases with the same open gpu idea. You can actually get an even smaller version that still supports a SFX PSU, the 3.5L C34, that can still take two 2.5" drives, but I opted for the slightly larger C34D because I had a spare HDD and 5 liters is small enough that I can carry it in a backpack anyway. The even smaller versions require Flex PSU's. The case is made up of stainless steel, so even though its rather thin it's still pretty tough. The mobo standoffs were not aligned perfectly I think, so the mobo ended up slightly bent, but I went really slow and careful and it seems fine. The side panel straightened it out after I installed it.  The 3.5" drive goes under the power supply. However the holes made for it are for older HDD models with the holes closer together.   Fortunately using only two holes ended up enough because the HDD is such a tight fit under the SFX PSU that it's not going to move a micron from where I placed it. I don't think the screws are even doing anything... As far as performance goes, the case itself does not seem to hinder it. Of course the AXP90 X47 is not going to be enough for full core workloads, but for games it is perfectly adequate. One concern I had was how the flow-through design of the 5090 would blow hot air directly into the case and over the CPU air intake area, but as the GamersNexus video shows the air is mostly vented from the topmost side of the case. In stress tests you can see a temp impact, but otherwise it seems fine for normal gaming/work use cases. I undervolted the 5090, 900mV at 2900mhz, and the 9800X3D at -35 PBO curve. It's all stable and hits no more than 475W during benchmarks while maybe losing maybe 1% performance. I've heard 2900 @900mV might look stable for long periods but sometimes crash, but I've yet to see it happen.       As for noise, I do use Fan Control to keep the noise low during idle, but otherwise I let the fans go to max linearly at 90C for the CPU and to 80% at 80C for the GPU. During the R23 multi-core test I measured about 48 decibels at 1m away from the case (where I sit) and about 50 decibels at the end of the Speed Way stress test when the CPU was hitting thermal throttle and the fans at max speed. Leaving Furmark on for an hour, the GPU temp never went over 75C. However, the CPU temps also went to about 84C, which shows that the flow through design does affect CPU temps. Future Improvements: The CPU cooler: I can upgrade to aa AXP120 X67. The manual says the max cooler height is 75mm. If I swap the 15mm fan with a 25mm one the cooler height would be 77mm. Maybe it'll fit??? Even if I have to use a 15mm fan the larger heatsing and fan would definitely help with the CPU temps. SATA cables: The X870-I SATA slots are right next to the side of the case, and there's little clearance to connect the two SATA cables for my SSD and HDD. The only cable I could find that might work is the "SilverStone SST-CP11-30" a low profile 90° cable. I purchased a couple, but due to the terrible customs regulations in my country they'll take a while to arrive.   The cable management overall can be better. The cables are measured for a past SFF build I had, so for example the blue CPU cable is longer than they need to be. It's not urgent but I'll slowly replace them over time to tidy things up. Replacing the chained SATA power cables (the black cables bunched up in the corner) into two 10cm separate single power cables would help to declutter the inside. The 12VHPWR cable: I had some concerns about using a GPU that relies on a 12VHPWR cable, especially since I was going to disconnect/reconnect it 3-4 times a year. So far I've had zero problems after more than a dozen mating cycles. The undervolting definitely helps, since the card never goes over 475W. Not sure how to mitigate this honestly. I can get a middleman adapter that the main power cable can connect to, so that the card's slot does not wear out, but I don't really want to add an extra point of failure in a setup that seems to be working perfetcly fine.
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UnfurledSails posted:It's an open GPU setup. no poo poo lol Didn’t know cases like that existed, makes sense for your use case though! Why such a nomadic existence?
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Mini Update: The motherboard bend was caused by the standoffs that came with the AXP90-47. Turns out if you have 6mm standoffs the long AM4 standoffs recommended by the manual are too long. This seems to be a problem in other SFF cases such as the FormD T1 and Terra. In those cases the screws actually hit against the riser cable and damage it.  The solution is to actually use the shorter Intel standoffs. They are almost too short for the hex nuts to catch at the back of the motherboard, but it is possible.
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I'd contact Thermalright support about that.
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Can some of the new Minisforums or something like it drive six monitors? Not 4k, but like 1440p.. What's the smallest form factor that could run something like that? For browsing or a video wall
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My SFF PC has decided that when I press the power button, it powers on for a fraction of a second and then powers itself off. Subsequent presses do nothing for a few minutes then it does the same thing again. I'm thinking the power supply has poo poo itself, but I get to basically disassemble the whole PC in order to test parts tonight to find the issue.
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Did you recently change monitors or monitor cable and using DisplayPort? I had a very similar issue when I built my previous PC a few years ago. I eventually tracked the issue down to a bad displayport cable which had pin 20 connected on both sides which triggered a fault condition in the graphics card and caused it to shut the PC down a second after it was powered on. Pin 20 provides 3.3V and shouldn't be connected in a normal cable, it's meant to power active adapters.
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Collateral Damage posted:Did you recently change monitors or monitor cable and using DisplayPort? Unfortunately no changes. The computer was working fine when I left it powered on and then 2-3 days later I came back to it powered off and it wouldn't boot. I didn't feel like dealing with it last night when I got home, but I am going to transfer everything to an old ATX case tonight just to make it easy to plug things in and out and give myself some room. nerox fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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Finally ordered a 5080 and now I can't buy a T1 donald trump has ruined pc building
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mag posted:Finally ordered a 5080 and now I can't buy a T1 Come on Thor Nanoq get in my hands before it costs even more.
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mag posted:Finally ordered a 5080 and now I can't buy a T1 edit: oh never mind the US ones are sold out
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nerox posted:Unfortunately no changes. The computer was working fine when I left it powered on and then 2-3 days later I came back to it powered off and it wouldn't boot. Did it come back to life?
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down1nit posted:Did it come back to life? Yep, it turned out the processor fried itself. I never liked the way the heatsink attached to the motherboard and I guess it didn't make good enough contact. I swapped from a Fractal ridge to a Lian Li A3 matx and popped a Thermaltake peerless assassin on the replacement cpu and back running again. I am just not built for the SFF life i guess, but this is small enough for what I wanted to use the other one for.
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I moved some old AM4 parts from several ITX builds (B450 mainboard, 5700X3D, 2x16 GB DDR4-3200, RX 6700 GPU) and a used Noctua L12s into a roomier Fractal Era 2. Not huge, not small, it's slightly bigger than a Dan C4 (but more restricted re: hardware compatibility because of the sandwich layout). It's a bit more annoying to build in than I expected though, and after I put everything together and had to reapply the CPU cooler three times*, I realized the CMOS battery needs replacing and that only works if I take the entire mainboard out again  As long as I keep it powered it works like a charm though, if GPUs weren't as crazy expensive I'd get something like a 5070 or 9070 for it. I got really fed up with the Dan A4's 2-slot limit over time and the Dan C4 V2 will never come out. *first I forgot the B450 needed a BIOS update for the X3D, so let's go, cooler off, Ryzen 2000 in, cooler on (1) flash BIOS, remove cooler, reinsert 5700X3D, add cooler (2), find out RAM doesn't work at XMP speeds, remove cooler because it overlaps the RAM slots, add different DDR4-3200 sticks (those work  ), reapply cooler (3)
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I wanted to do a full upgrade of my system, coming from a GTX 1080ti / i7-7700K combo in a Fractal Meshify C ATX. I'd built a couple Gaming PCs previously, but had never done SFF before, and wanted to see what I could squish together. I've been finetuning the build over the past week or so, but I'm extremely happy with my new system:
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Looks like NCASE did a small US restock, I managed to grab an M2 grater. Excited to see how it handles in-person.
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Not quite SFF by today's standards, but I do want to give an honorable mention to the Jonsbo Z20 at 20L. That sumbitch holds my full ATX PSU, mATX motherboard, 330mm GPU, and Phantom Spirit cooler. Comfortably holds two SSDs for data hoarding, and the mesh version looks decently professional.
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i came to ask about that exact case cos ive been thinking about getting it, do you have the cpu cooler using the back fan as intake or exhaust? cant work out which would be better for an air cooler
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Bottom/back intakes, top exhaust, CPU fans blowing back-to-front. That's just based on info from Reddit Polytech though - I haven't had the time, inclination, or need to do my own testing. If it can run X3D/5090s it's good enough for me.
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thats what i was leaning towards so good to hear its working out well, ty!
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I found this weird little guy and am going to take a chance on it as the home for a Milk-V Jupiter board that’s on the way. The brand is utterly foreign to me.
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So on the above note, it’s a rather small case. Is there any way to get an SFX power supply that’s fully modular but not especially high-powered? The motherboard’s unlikely to eat more than 40 watts under full load, and I’ll never put in a GPU that could pull more than 75 watts. Thus 200 watts would probably be overkill.
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Hasturtium posted:So on the above note, it’s a rather small case. Is there any way to get an SFX power supply that’s fully modular but not especially high-powered? The motherboard’s unlikely to eat more than 40 watts under full load, and I’ll never put in a GPU that could pull more than 75 watts. Thus 200 watts would probably be overkill. At that level of expected load you might want to look at HDPLEX: https://hdplex.com/hdplex-nanoatx-power-supply-explained
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dragonshardz posted:At that level of expected load you might want to look at HDPLEX: https://hdplex.com/hdplex-nanoatx-power-supply-explained This is exactly what I’d hope to find, even if they’re out of stock of the little 200W model that’d be perfect. I may wait until it’s back before completing the build. Thanks a million!
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A new SFF/MFF M-ATX case has shown up on the scene to place the SAMA IM01 that we can't find so easily anymore: https://amzn.to/4lRKV0K https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1bt39pn/acer_new_29_1314l_sff_cases_acer_u320_u320bm/
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VulgarandStupid posted:A new SFF/MFF M-ATX case has shown up on the scene to place the SAMA IM01 that we can't find so easily anymore: I've been debating to build a beater budget gaming PC either in that case, or the Jonsbo C6 Handle. I'm using a chunk of spare parts for the build, which includes a full ATX PSU (165mm length), and want the case to be as portable/small as possible. Seems like those two cases are my two best (only?) options, just not sure which one to get. teagone fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Jul 17, 2025 |
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