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jink
May 8, 2002

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orcane posted:

Yeah this. Some cases are more "small form" than others, sometimes you can fit a small tower cooler that will stay relatively quiet (unless you're trying to run overclocked Ryzen 3950X or i9 9900Ketc. CPUs),

hahahaha, I am called out. I am running a custom made case, Compact Splash, which is around 14L. I have a i9 9900k that I have been battling temps with. Picture attached from water block swap a couple weeks ago.

With a 240 on top and 120 in front I am able to keep the i9 and 1080ti cool and very quiet with Noctua A12 fans. This is after extensive testing at different LLC values and ratios, settling on all core 49 and LLC 5 (LLC 'high' on Asrock, lowest over/under volting) and a +40 offset.

AVX loads are around 90C and non AVX loads are usually around 70-80C. I set the fans to sit around 40% speed until ~73C and then start ramping up. The DDC pump stays at ~1200rpm until temps rise above 80C and then it ramps up to combat flow restrictions in the Optimus block, fittings, etc. Plenty quiet at almost all loads, games are near silent. Benchmarks are the time I hear the machine, usually.


It was not easy, but I can help with guides or advice if anyone else is trying to cool down some of these super hot components.

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jink
May 8, 2002

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Gay Retard posted:

The SF750 Platinum is definitely worth lusting over:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-sf750/

This is what I went with. It stays at a power range that results in a silent fan and the individually braided cables are WELL worth it.

I retired my 600W SFX-L Silverstone. Noisy, large and PVC coated cables made management hell. Good riddance

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May 8, 2002

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Gonna Send It posted:

Here is my 3700x and RTX 2080 in a Lian Li TU150. I made all of the cables myself, which was pretty fun to zone out on. I still have some cable management to do as well as make the SATA cable. I came from a Silverstone ML08 so the lower temps are very welcomed.

RGB haters, I don't want to hear it, you don't know how much joy you're missing out on!





Wow, what a fun build! That looks like an original idea and I love that you went air as well. I love my open loop... sometimes... but the simplicity of air coolers is pulling me back.

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May 8, 2002

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Gonna Send It posted:

I considered water, but it's a lot of $ for non-OC stuff. I can't even hear it under load with headphones anyway.

For real. I could be using a 2080ti instead of my 'old' 1080ti if I didn't have this open loop. The 9900k is hard to tame even WITH all of this loop so ... what is the point.


Fantastic build, I am loving all of the radical colors. Reminds me of those Hyper Color shirts from the 90s! :)

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May 8, 2002

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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

Is it direct die cooled?

Sooooon. Scared to death of doing it. :D

RockitCool kit looks amazing though. I should just pick it up. A 'mint' 9900k means nothing on the used market.

jink
May 8, 2002

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Sheesh. Fantastic steps and great pictures... I am impressed!

Looks so good in the complete setup pic. :)

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May 8, 2002

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Warmachine posted:

Ali Sayed posted his Ncase M1 dual-radiator build this week, which is what I'd been planning since I got my M1 case back in February. Glad to see my concept isn't utterly mad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmq0J9hzmlk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agMUqqhtaAA

Mine is going to include a backpack reservoir/pump combo from aliexpress. Think FrozenQ but with an integrated DDC pump, which leaves me free to use a standard low profile CPU water block.

It likely won't be ready until the end of the year, sadly, since I need a new GPU first.

Very cool, didn't know they had rads and pumps in a form factor like that. I'm also impressed with the alphacool pump/block.

I've been thinking about fitting a larger rad in my ITX build but my pump/res (EK DDC 100) takes up quite a bit of space.



Excited to see your build!

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May 8, 2002

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LordAdakos posted:

Oh geez, I didn't realize the performance was so close. My apologies for suggesting it was significant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=669JANzeAo0

Here is an example of the 3800XT being completely useless...

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May 8, 2002

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Numinous posted:

I found this while searching for NCASE M1 specs and trying to get in on the 3080 bandwagon:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E94FbF5jPqeyPATUQOTzgY82_sJUpEWIsZKHQI0dIhg/edit#gid=512029266

Looks like most of these cards are outside of the supported sizes for the M1 which makes me concerned. I'm a big EVGA fan so I'm gunning for an XC3 on release.

Power usage looks like about 575W maximum based on calculator posted earlier with a 3900X so I'm praying my SF600 will be able to get by.


drat I didn't realize the 3090 was a triple slot. I am not running an M1 but instead a custom case from overclock.net and dual slot is my max. I like your calculations!

I wonder if a waterblock would do away with the 3 slot requirement?

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May 8, 2002

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HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Been pretty impressed with the RTX 3080, managing to peak at 80°C under sustained full load even in a Fractal Design Node 202.

I thought I'd spin up Assassin's Creed Odyssey, and it runs at about 50 fps at max settings. Pretty sweet, I thought, but for laughs I also benchmarked it at 1080p and 1440p. Surprisingly, I got the exact same results.

Does this mean it's time to upgrade something else? Here are the important specs of my current build:

Intel Core i5-7600
16GB DDR4-2400
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 FE
1TB Samsung 840 EVO

I did notice that AC: Odyssey pinned all four cores of my CPU at 100% the entire time I was playing, peaking the temp at a lolsome and somewhat worrisome 83°. No other game does that, not even RDR2.

edit: the heck? I thought I posted this in the PC building megathread :downs:

If your ITX build can support a different CPU, then I would suggest more cores. Your RAM speed is a bit slow as well... I am running an i9 9900K and love to boast about my speed/timings:




I crammed that i9, overclocked RAM and a 1080 into my ~14L ITX case.






I tried to keep it on topic for ITX thread. :D



In all seriousness, it does seem like you are CPU limited. If that game means a lot to you and you have cash to spend on a new CPU, go for it. Also consider RAM speed increases when you make that change. Seems like you will probably need a motherboard after seeing the Intel 'family' page: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/series/95543/7th-generation-intel-core-i5-processors.html

Modern game engines require quite a bit of cores.

jink
May 8, 2002

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CaptainPsyko posted:

What case is that

Sorry for the bait... it's a custom case from 2013. Compact Splash.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/50-small-form-factor-systems/1305343-scratch-build-compact-splash-14-5l-mitx-watercooled-3770k-gtx570.html
https://www.craftograph.com/portfolio/compact-splash/

quote:

Hardware Accommodations:
- CPU Block - Max. Height83mm
- Video Card - Max. Length269mm
- Video Card - Max. Length (with Front I/O Delete) 301mm
- Pump & Reservoir - Max. Height150mm
- Pump & Reservoir - Max. Width 64mm
- 240mm Radiator - Max. Dims.296mm L x 133mm W x 46mm D (if either PUSH or PULL 25mm fans are installed, not both)
- 120mm Radiator - Max. Dims.160mm L x 141mm W x 37.5mm D (if either PUSH or PULL 25mm fans are installed, not both)

Size:
- 290mm (H) x 170mm (W) x 310mm (D)
- 14.5 liters
- 15.7 liters


My 'build':

https://www.overclock.net/threads/compact-splash-brotherhood.1369708/post-28386820
https://www.overclock.net/threads/compact-splash-brotherhood.1369708/post-28388102

jink fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Oct 9, 2020

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May 8, 2002

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SalTheBard posted:

I really wish I had the money, confidence and time to water cool my PC. Your system looks so loving amazing.

I purposely built this machine to prevent 'tinkering'... It is such a colossal pain in the rear end to build I RARELY touch it. The i9 was installed in December 2019 and it took me 2-3 months to get the CPU to stop engulfing in flames.

To prepare for the i9 I re-ran the tubing. That takes 2-3 days of work. My hands are ripped into shreds every time.


To get a sense of that, I have an Evernote with my logs of trying to tame the temps and fans: https://www.evernote.com/l/ABOovM2Lc0ZAwZBc-5OEu4pMt449zujbHYc/


I recommend people stick with an AIO that can fit, optional GPU block. Stay happy.


Romes128 posted:

That's pretty dope.

I appreciate that! I take it for granted.


HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Yeah, I figured it was probably the CPU. I built the core parts of this build way back in 2017, so I'm not sure this can handle faster RAM :v: Also i7-7700s (the "best" CPU I can expect for this H270 mobo) are still surprisingly pricy today, so I'm just gonna go for a newer generation CPU+mobo+RAM (currently considering a Ryzen 7 3700x and CL16 3600MHz RAM of some kind).

Your build is pretty sweet, too :)


Yeah, I pasted my post there too, and I was also told it was a classic case of CPU bottlenecking. They were also worried about my ~80° peak temps on the GPU and CPU :haw:

... Hopefully those temps are kind of okay for a Node 202 :ohdear:


Yeah that's a painful position. The Ryzen will do wonders for you.

I went from a 4690k ITX build, found a used 4790k. I was pretty happy with that but I saw the i9/mobo combo on reddit (used) and thought "hmm, I bet gaming could be better!". I don't feel that games are that much better, but the i5 was a limitation. The i7? Not so much. IPC hasn't improved THAT much. Time Spy went from 8590 to 10670 (all CPU improvements, no FPS improvements, really).

At this point it feels like having more than 4 cores with 'strong' IPC is the ticket. Then it is back to GPU... and then back to other components like RAM timings, saturation/speed of the bus, blah blah blah.


Thank you for compliments.


You 80C peak temps make my i9 laugh. After the multiple hundreds spent on a block (and more efficient rads), delidding + Liquid Metal application, direct fans on VRMs and RAM, tweaking of every voltage setting and fan scaling.... I am able to finally get UNDER 80C. I was hitting thermal shutdown previously. I think you are OK. :)


[EDIT]: Evernote was having issues... but my i9 adventures of tweaking settings for clocks/temps/etc: https://www.evernote.com/l/ABOovM2Lc0ZAwZBc-5OEu4pMt449zujbHYc/

jink fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Oct 9, 2020

jink
May 8, 2002

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CyberPingu posted:

Ordered a NR200p off of newegg

Same here, picking it up for a spare computer that my fiance wants to use for VR. 4790k will live on!

jink
May 8, 2002

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I really like that Winter One case...

Not sure why we have a response of 'too expensive'? The case that I showed https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3776587&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=78#post508776349 was well over $350... and I've been using it for over 7 years.

My point is; a well designed case can certainly be worth the money and last you a long, long time.

It's surprising to me how quick the community will jump on $1000+ video cards that last 3-5 years but a case is a 'no'?

jink
May 8, 2002

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Weren't we just complaining about expensive cases? :D

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May 8, 2002

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VorpalFish posted:

The T1 is like $120 cheaper than that other case we were talking about, which according to my calculations makes it a bargain.

haha, fine. I agree that it is cheaper... but still more than the realm of "affordable $100 cases".

Just pullin' peoples chains here... I've spent more than these cases in water cooling fittings... so I am not the gauge of 'affordable'! :)

(save me)

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May 8, 2002

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HappyCapybaraFamily posted:

Answered my own question. Rem0o's Fan Control is what you want. I confirm it works with the Gigabyte B550i AORUS PRO AX. I can finally tie my case fans to GPU temperature! It also lets me drive each GPU fan independently should I so choose.

Wow that's a very cool find! I've had to latch all of my fans to CPU temp with my ASRock built in curves...






The curves work, but this was months of tweaking. Now the fans stay at near idle most of the time and start ramping up in 'stages'. Under gaming the fans are moving rather quickly, which I don't mind, it was the non gaming time that drove me nuts with WHIRRRRRR.

I'll give that Fan Control a try!

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May 8, 2002

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Warmachine posted:

Y'know, seeing that I'm glad the FE had that dumb angled 12-pin power connector.

This is the first time I think of that dumbass proprietary cable and go "yeah that makes a lot of sense!" :D

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May 8, 2002

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denereal visease posted:

Good suggestions, but I was hoping to have the GPU drive the fans directly.

The card is much, much quieter now that it's working correctly, so I'm less interested in setting a custom fan curve now :)




The pcie power boners definitely look real dumb, but the 24pin is actually a minor problem: it's obstructing a fair amount of the 'pass through' portion of the cooler.



Have you checked out the Alpenföhn Black Ridge 2? That might be the only other option. nope 47mm

Amazing post. The fan being stopped got a chuckle out of me!

LOL at GPU size nowadays. It is amazing that we thought embedding a gaming GPU onto the die of a CPU was ever going to work out.

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May 8, 2002

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Head Bee Guy posted:

NR200 it is. What's the optimal fan set-up? I have a triple-fan Asus 3070 and a noctua U9 cpu cooler. Are bottom-mounted fans unnecessary with that GPU? I'm planning on doing some light-to-mid overclocking in a room that's naturally warmer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAWXY9ZiPrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSUK7p9qQnU

Great videos from this guy focusing on the NR200.

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May 8, 2002

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LODGE NORTH posted:

I think the NR200P may be the one I go for. I should've clarified small - for me in this instance - was solely relative to that off your everyday PC. It only being a little under a foot tall and being able to get it in full white makes it pretty easy to fit it into the entertainment space I plan on having it.

Great choice. I have an NR200P in a box.. was considering moving my 9900k and 3080 to it... but my Compact Splash is still going strong.

I took some notes when I was trying to fit components into the NR200, not sure if these will be useful to anyone: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s19/sh/09d70781-5cfb-4a7b-0a70-ab13721cadb0/7f08259c2a9e6da624f5aa37691d00c5

jink
May 8, 2002

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CyberPingu posted:

Cross posting from the water cooling thread.


Has anyone here successfully built a custom loop for the NR200P? Looking for recommendations or if it's a waste of time

I wrote up quite a bit in my Evernote relating to builds, suggestions, requirements for watercooling: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s19/sh/09d70781-5cfb-4a7b-0a70-ab13721cadb0/7f08259c2a9e6da624f5aa37691d00c5

Also check out Machines & More YouTube (he has some special videos on AIO coolers, air coolers, custom loops): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJpP7vHG-YImXkc5TZqmbKg

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May 8, 2002

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nevermind.

jink
May 8, 2002

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Fantastic work on that cable cleanup to both of you! Wow!

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May 8, 2002

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Butterfly Valley posted:

https://summit.coolermaster.com/chronos/advanced-computing/v-sfx-platinum/

Coolermaster are doing 1100 and 1300W PSUs in both SFX and SFX-L with the new PCIe 5.0 connector

holy poo poo! I was not expecting that. Thanks for the link

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May 8, 2002

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Alternatively you can use HDMI to your receiver.

I use my onboard GPU HDMI port to feed audio to my receiver. This gives me all the channels of sound I desire with no extra hardware. I am limited by the age of my receiver (no Atmos) but it was "free"

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