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Fuligin posted:This is why you play with Allied Construction mod, naturally OH MY GOD
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I figure there's no better thread than this to say I've always loved your av's Raskolnikov38. What was your last one? A nyan T-70?
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Mar 4, 2021 00:28
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lol i think it was a t-26 or a t-34. i would rotate through tanks when i got bored of one
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Playing again after a year or so and I forgot how desperately the naval invasion system needs an overhaul. So much fun having to place half a million divisions along a shore and then having to baby sit them because the AI will just spam them nonstop. Its like a bunch of zombies just mindlessly bashing their heads against walls and doors. God help you when one is successful when you look away for half a second.
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Pvt.Scott posted:It’s me. I’m the 1.9% of people playing China Same, mostly for your initial edit.
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Mar 4, 2021 04:37
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DurosKlav posted:Playing again after a year or so and I forgot how desperately the naval invasion system needs an overhaul. So much fun having to place half a million divisions along a shore and then having to baby sit them because the AI will just spam them nonstop. Its like a bunch of zombies just mindlessly bashing their heads against walls and doors. God help you when one is successful when you look away for half a second. I'm sure you already know this, but only set area defense/garrison to naval bases. Enemy divisions that land on your shores need to connect to a supply zone, and without a naval base they'll snake around a few tiles before getting stuck at 0 organization. It makes a China playthrough so much easier.
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Moon Slayer posted:I'm reading a series right now with a real similar vibe, although maybe closer to a ported Victoria 2 game; the New England series by James Philip. It's a world where Washington was killed at the Battle of Long Island and the American Revolution failed. The colonial empires never fell and, because empires stagnate, in the late 1970's the technology is about thirty years behind OTL. The big conflict is the Spanish colonies of Cuba, Mexico, and Hispaniola attacking the British in the Caribbean and American southwest after a military coup in Spain, with the German and Japanese empires are also looking for ways to meddle in the fight. ...that premise doesn't really make much sense? Empires tend to stagnate in isolation, when there's no threats or rivals to spur them on. The european empires of that era never really were in any position like that, what with continental Europe being a gigantic thunderbowl of like half a dozen great powers sitting on each others' doorsteps.
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Magni posted:...that premise doesn't really make much sense? Correct, it is an alt history novel.
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Mar 4, 2021 06:22
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Magni posted:...that premise doesn't really make much sense? Empires tend to stagnate in isolation, when there's no threats or rivals to spur them on. The european empires of that era never really were in any position like that, what with continental Europe being a gigantic thunderbowl of like half a dozen great powers sitting on each others' doorsteps. Spoilering for people who don't care about bookchat, but the in-universe explanation is that there was a three-way world war in the 1860s between the UK, France, and proto-Germany. France lost, and the resulting treaty between the great powers established the new international system that was intentionally balanced so that there were few advantages to launching another war. The series is about this system breaking down, just like how the Congress of Vienna set up the system that broke down into World War 1, and the Treaty of Versailles set up a system that broke down into World War 2. Having the big war in the 1860's also has the neat trivia of UK generals Robert E. Lee and William Sherman fighting side-by-side in France.
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So after a few false starts, I began my first "real" HOI4 game as the Soviets. I've got factories and production lines mostly figured out and feeling pretty smug about combat after my 4 volunteer divisions basically win the Spanish Civil War. Fast forward to late 1942, most of the world has fallen to fascism, my Spanish allies are getting pushed back across the Pyrenees, the US still hasn't entered the war and the Germans are holding the Polish front with 50 divs to my 150. So, uh, any hot tips for the next game? My army comp is clearly not up to snuff but I'm not sure what I should be doing differently. For reference most if that is infantry divs (with artillery) and a couple of medium tank armies intended for breakthrough that just can't do anything to entrenched German divisions.
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Mar 4, 2021 21:44
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Have 300 divisions next time.
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Mar 4, 2021 22:17
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you need planes, CAS and fighters, to help breakthroughs with your tanks. also what are your tank division templates and tech like?
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Mar 4, 2021 22:32
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Miles Vorkosigan posted:So after a few false starts, I began my first "real" HOI4 game as the Soviets. I've got factories and production lines mostly figured out and feeling pretty smug about combat after my 4 volunteer divisions basically win the Spanish Civil War. Doesn't sound like the game is over yet fam, it's 1942 and you haven't even lost poland yet. Reorganizing your mobile armies and focusing on making a big breakthrough might help. Or recruiting another 150 divisions might too.
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Mar 4, 2021 22:40
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Miles Vorkosigan posted:a couple of medium tank armies
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Mar 4, 2021 22:46
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If you're playing historical, you usually want Germany to be the one pushing into your territory, either to make them bash uselessly against your forts or to cut off their spearheads.
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Mar 4, 2021 23:03
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what if you have them bash uselessly against the molotov line
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Mar 4, 2021 23:07
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Thanks all, this is very helpful! And the game is indeed not over, since the Americans got off their asses and I finally figured out how to set up offensive lines better.Raskolnikov38 posted:you need planes, CAS and fighters, to help breakthroughs with your tanks. also what are your tank division templates and tech like? I've got planes but I started production way too late so I dont have nearly enough to keep up. I definitely need to rethink how many factories I need to put in each production line. As for my tank divisions, they have 5 med tank battalions and 4 motorized infantry with attached artillery, anti tank and armored recon. I would like to emphasize that I have no idea what I'm doing for division templates 
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Mar 4, 2021 23:41
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what if you have them bash uselessly against the molotov line That's always my plan, yeah. Welcome to the Iron Curtain, fuckers.
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Mar 4, 2021 23:56
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yeah one of the big SP ussr problems is that the allies will do nothing to whittle down the luftwaffe unless you do it for them
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Miles Vorkosigan posted:Thanks all, this is very helpful! And the game is indeed not over, since the Americans got off their asses and I finally figured out how to set up offensive lines better. Add another motorised battalion to that tank template so it's 20 width, and ditch the attached AT in favour of engineers, AA and maintenance companies. Hold off on attacking if you're not succeeding - time is on your side. Build shitloads of fighters - 1944 model fighters with 5 agility, 1 firepower, 5 reliability and 4 range will annihilate enemy planes. Once you start winning in the air, get some CAS and use it to support your attacks - then you'll win.
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Mar 5, 2021 01:26
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Miles Vorkosigan posted:As for my tank divisions, they have 5 med tank battalions and 4 motorized infantry with attached artillery, anti tank and armored recon. I would like to emphasize that I have no idea what I'm doing for division templates
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Mar 5, 2021 01:45
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:You only need half an army of armor at most. I wonder if new players think they need more tanks because so many German and Soviet commanders start with the armor commander trait. Assigning almost all of them to all infantry armies definitely felt weird to me at first. I don't remember running into that in HOI 2 either. I think I must have kept most of the tank guys low rank in 2 so they could all have small mobile armies. Jeez, I'm already forgetting how that game even worked. 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:yeah one of the big SP ussr problems is that the allies will do nothing to whittle down the luftwaffe unless you do it for them Unfortunately AI Germany doesn't tend to send and lose its entire airforce across the channel. This means they typically have a more intact luftwaffe for barbarossa, but it's not insurmountable especially since you know it's coming.
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Mar 5, 2021 02:46
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the game does not account for Goring being a huge moron failure sadly.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:the game does not account for
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ItohRespectArmy posted:the game does not account for
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Mar 5, 2021 03:39
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true but i feel like goring is extra special considering he spent the entire war making the biggest mistakes and also looting everything he could get, truly one of histories funniest monsters.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:true but i feel like goring is extra special considering he spent the entire war making the biggest mistakes and also looting everything he could get, truly one of histories funniest monsters. Fair. and don't forget the absurdly lavish mansion he built in northern Germany where he threw even more outlandish parties and displayed said looted treasures.
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Ardryn posted:Fair. and don't forget the absurdly lavish mansion he built in northern Germany where he threw even more outlandish parties and displayed said looted treasures. oh I could never, he married some swedish princess too right?
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ItohRespectArmy posted:oh I could never, he married some swedish princess too right? Countess according to Wikipedia, but close enough! His second wife was an actress.
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Mar 5, 2021 06:06
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ItohRespectArmy posted:oh I could never, he married some swedish princess too right? The daughter of the Swedish count that gave the Finns their totally not Nazi swastika.
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im just saying there needs to be a TNO style minigame as Germany where you need to provide goring with enough food and loot to distract him long enough before he gets Ideas On Things and throws away all your planes in a way that also lets an entire army escape.
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Mar 5, 2021 07:34
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:The daughter of the Swedish count that gave the Finns their totally not Nazi swastika. Wrong on several counts there, her sister was married to the count you mean, and the donation of the plane which led to finnish use of the swastika predates nazi german use of it. You can say they derived from the same nationalist place however
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ItohRespectArmy posted:im just saying there needs to be a TNO style minigame as Germany where you need to provide goring with enough food and loot to distract him long enough before he gets Ideas On Things and throws away all your planes in a way that also lets an entire army escape. Every time the German player tries to withdraw their forces from blatantly obvious encirclement attempts, they should be prevented from doing so because Goering shows up and promises that he can supply them from the air saying "Don't worry, it will totally work this time!"
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Mar 5, 2021 14:24
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ItohRespectArmy posted:im just saying there needs to be a TNO style minigame as Germany where you need to provide goring with enough food and loot to distract him long enough before he gets Ideas On Things and throws away all your planes in a way that also lets an entire army escape. "Can you make Vöring so fat he dies?" "No."
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Hitler was the true MVP of the war. Top goal scorer, they were just mostly own goals.
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DurosKlav posted:Hitler was the true MVP of the war. Top goal scorer, they were just mostly own goals. You gotta give the guy credit, he did kill hitler after all.
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really queer Christmas posted:You gotta give the guy credit, he did kill hitler after all. On the other hand, he killed the guy who killed Hitler, so that's bad.
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It's been a while since I've done a historical democratic US run and here are some of my observations: Japan's war in China seems to be pretty historical, even without the US sending any support whatsoever. - Good. Japan ended up declaring war on the US in May of '41, which is a little early, but still fine. What wasn't fine was how I manged to completely blunt their pacific campaign in less than a month. Without doing anything crazy or trying any hyper-optimized builds, I just had a very basic CV / CA / CL / DD setup and ended up sinking 7 carriers off the coast of the Philippines within a couple weeks of the war starting. Two months in and the IJN is down to 22 ships in total. - Not great I've got Marines landing unopposed in Iwo Jima and now have total free reign of the Pacific and could easily start amphibious invasions of Japan if I wanted. On the plus side, Japan did a decent job of countering my limited sub operations before I completely shattered their fleet with my carrier task forces. In Europe I don't have a whole lot to say about Germany, it did the typical HoI4 route of Poland -> Low Countries -> France -> Norway, which is fine. I totally understand how forcing the AI to do a sitzkrieg for several months wouldn't lend itself to good gameplay. Their progress against the Soviets doesn't seem to be terrifying, I suspect with some lend-leasing and opening of other fronts, the Soviets will stabilize. As for Italy though, holy poo poo does it kick the hell out of the British. Italy seems to push through North Africa way too easily and I suspect it's because of the ridiculous amount of forces in Ethiopia, which leads to a stupid amount of British and Italian forces slugging it out in Central Africa. This is one case where I might say forcing the AI Italy to not garrison Ethiopia might lead to better gameplay over all. Then Britain would probably be able to focus on North Africa better. Also it doesn't help that Syria seems to always go to Vichy France. Maybe there needs to be a small event that causes it to flip to Free France or something. That would probably help the Allies in North Africa a bit. As of now it always seems that Italy is always capable of taking Cairo and crossing the Suez, that shouldn't be the default outcome, Britain should be far better at holding those territories. Long story short: Germany's performance seems pretty ok. Japan's performance seems mostly ok, especially when it's against an AI USA, but it feels like it's way too easy to break the IJN in a couple decisive battles. Maybe AI Japan needs to have its fleets set to "engage at low risk" or something to get them to preserve their navy more. Italy is stupidly overpowered and is not only fielding way more forces than it should, but is also routinely taking an enormous beating when it shouldn't. IRL Italy was mostly blunted after losing a little over 300k military personnel. I know this is probably too restrictive for gameplay purposes, but they shouldn't be on the same level as Germany or the Soviet union when it comes to taking casualties and still fighting. Germany and the Soviets lost in the neighborhood of 10 million and kept fighting to the bitter end, Italy shouldn't be on that level.
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The US was so not interested in WWII preparedness, relative to what could have been done, that any decent player can easily out-perform the actual war.
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