Elder Postsman posted:

lol what the hell. I'm like 99% sure mouse look was in the original

Smythe posted:

imagine that stupid bitch steve jobs crawling on his belly QQing and rectally bleeding into intel HQ to buy their epic processors after running that aids infected snail ad about how intel sucked. lol. haha.

Elder Postsman posted:

lol what the hell. I'm like 99% sure mouse look was in the original

emoji posted:

Steve Jobs died in 2011.

error1 posted:

He got a new liver a couple years before he died though?

I wonder which Apple intern they took it from, RIP

Triglav posted:

siri birth / stebe death dates align so i think they put him in a computer somewhere outside reno

haveblue posted:

it technically had it but it was really bad and barely usable. and I guess it's still like that if they're rejecting overhauls, haven't really paid attention to aleph in forever

emoji posted:

Steve Jobs died in 2011.

emoji posted:

Steve Jobs died in 2011.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

i just remember they were never able to cram a g5 into a laptop

haveblue posted:

Captain Foo posted:

what

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

anyone remember the last gasping breath of powerPC, the G5, and those ads claiming it was the "fastest cpu in the world"



then it turned out the source of that claim was a benchmark apple conducted themselves against a mid-level neutered pentium 4 with hyperthreading disabled

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

anyone remember the last gasping breath of powerPC, the G5, and those ads claiming it was the "fastest cpu in the world"

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

anyone remember the last gasping breath of powerPC, the G5, and those ads claiming it was the "fastest cpu in the world"



then it turned out the source of that claim was a benchmark apple conducted themselves against a mid-level neutered pentium 4 with hyperthreading disabled

Thanks Ants posted:

yeah and the awful ways they tried to make true on their 3ghz claim

Binary Badger posted:

IBM had originally every confidence they could eventually engineer G5s to reach 3 GHz and eliminate power issues and all but promised Jobs this. Jobs of course immediately parroted out that G5's would become this fast, confident that IBM would come through. Problem was, he did it at WWDC 2003 and all but promised 3 GHz G5s would be there by next WWDC.

IBM later was having difficulty working with the elements derived from the POWER4, which was never intended for anything but server-based purposes; the architecture simply drew too much voltage. The best that IBM could manage was a stock of G5s that were rated for 2.7 GHz, and even then only with additional cooling.

For reasons quite unknown, instead of using any known PC vendors, Apple contracted Delphi, a former division of General Motors, to create a cooling system for the G5. Delphi designed the system for fabricators in China (Hon Hai) to assemble, and had never, loving ever developed systems for anything but the automotive market. Rumors say they hadn't worked out leaking issues, but Apple decided to push them out anyway. Apple released the Early 2005 G5s with liquid cooling for the 2.7 GHz models to much fanfare, but many noted it wasn't the 3 GHz Jobs promised.

The liquid cooled G5s were pretty much a disaster. They ran noisily as the fans were not engineered to deal with the heat the souped up G5's put out, even -with- the liquid cooling. The system fans were originally spec'd for the non-overclocked IBM G5 chips and TBQH they expected the LCS to reduce the heat below the levels the previous chips worked at, which wasn't the case.

IBM themselves never got the core chip the G5's were based on to work reliably past 2 GHz without the power draw going into the stratosphere. The liquid cooling systems often leaked before end of warranty, due to their crappy design and construction, some were replaced later by Apple with Xeon based 1st Gen Mac Pros. An informal survey conducted by Macworld magazine eventually cited that the 2.7 GHz models had a whopping 26% failure rate.

Finally, according to rumors, around late 2005 IBM sheepishly went back to Jobs and said it would be tough to get the G5 to 3 GHz, but if he could see his way to invest a little money in the process.. at this Jobs was said to have literally pounded the conference desk in abject anger, screaming that he was promised 3 GHz G5's as a matter of course much to the terror of the IBM shills. Furthermore, he'd been made a liar by them because of the 3 GHz WWDC promise which people reminded him of at every conceivable opportunity. Supposedly, after this meeting, Jobs ordered the jump to Intel, which had always been in development in Apple's skunkworks, the rest is history. The G5 debacle supposedly also cheesed him off desktop development, forcing him to think about other pastures to tend to.. like maybe phones?

emoji posted:

Steve Jobs died in 2011.

error1 posted:

Bring back the cheese grater mac pro, i want to stick a gtx 1080 in a mac

Binary Badger posted:

Also, the very last G5, the Late 2005 G5 dual 2.5 GHz (quad-core) had a loving 1 KW power supply. That was how ridiculous the power curve was for the G5

Binary Badger posted:

For reasons quite unknown, instead of using any known PC vendors, Apple contracted Delphi, a former division of General Motors, to create a cooling system for the G5. Delphi designed the system for fabricators in China (Hon Hai) to assemble, and had never, loving ever developed systems for anything but the automotive market.

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

lack of pre-emptive multitasking in an OS being sold into the late 90's was pretty loving ridiculous

it's amazing they ever worked

DaNzA posted:

also which dual 2.5ghz were you talking about? according to this the dual/quad powermac only had 500~600W PSU

Binary Badger posted:

http://www.allpartsmac.com/PowerMac-G5-1KW-Late-05-Power-Supply-Used-661-3738U.htm?gclid=CMLG1f2K8swCFVFZhgodDmoBEw

Binary Badger posted:

IBM had originally every confidence they could eventually engineer G5s to reach 3 GHz and eliminate power issues and all but promised Jobs this. Jobs of course immediately parroted out that G5's would become this fast, confident that IBM would come through. Problem was, he did it at WWDC 2003 and all but promised 3 GHz G5s would be there by next WWDC. IBM, Motorola, and Apple had previously been in a partnership that produced the G3 and the G4. But Jobs had just returned to Apple and decided to shitcan the Apple clone program started by Michael Spindler, leaving Motorola high and dry as they had planned to corner the market on CPUs for Apple clones; this was one of the reasons Motorola decided to leave the chip manufacturing business in 2004. Incidentally, Motorola's StarMax clones were considered to be the best quality of all the Apple clones and sold well / were coveted even over Apple's own machines, until Jobs pulled the plug.

IBM later was having difficulty working with the elements derived from the POWER4, a RISC CPU meant to run server based platforms (which the G5 was largely a trimmed desktop version of) which was never intended for anything but server-based purposes; the POWER architecture simply drew too much voltage. The best that IBM could manage was a stock of G5s that were rated for 2.7 GHz, and even then only with additional cooling.

For reasons quite unknown, instead of using any known PC vendors, Apple contracted Delphi, a former division of General Motors, to create a cooling system for the G5. Delphi designed the system for fabricators in China (Hon Hai) to assemble, and had never, loving ever developed systems for anything but the automotive market. Rumors say they hadn't worked out leaking issues, but Apple decided to push them out anyway. Apple released the Early 2005 G5s with liquid cooling for the 2.7 GHz models to much fanfare, but many noted it wasn't the 3 GHz Jobs promised.

The liquid cooled G5s were pretty much a disaster. They ran noisily as the fans were not engineered to deal with the heat the souped up G5's put out, even -with- the liquid cooling. The system fans were originally spec'd for the non-overclocked IBM G5 chips and TBQH they expected the LCS to reduce the heat below the levels the previous chips worked at, which wasn't the case. It was pretty self evident they hadn't even bothered to tweak the fan speed algorithms; run Photoshop (which is what most people bought G5s for at the time) and open any multi-layer document and you may as well have been standing next to a commercial jet engine at full throttle.

IBM themselves never got the core chip the G5's were based on to work reliably past 2 GHz without the power draw going into the stratosphere. The liquid cooling systems often leaked before end of warranty, due to their crappy design and construction, some were replaced later by Apple with Xeon based 1st Gen Mac Pros. An informal survey conducted by the Macintouch website eventually cited that the 2.7 GHz models had a whopping 26% failure rate.

Finally, according to rumors, around late 2005 IBM sheepishly went back to Jobs and said it would be tough to get the G5 to 3 GHz, but if he could see his way to invest a little money in the process.. at this Jobs was said to have literally pounded the conference desk in abject anger, screaming that he was promised 3 GHz G5's as a matter of course much to the terror of the IBM shills. Furthermore, he'd been made a liar / laughingstock by them, because of the 3 GHz WWDC promise which people reminded him of at every conceivable opportunity.

Supposedly, after this meeting, Jobs ordered the jump to Intel, which had always been in development in Apple's skunkworks as insurance against IBM for just such a situation, the rest is history. The last G5 was shipped Late 2005, (the first and only quad-core G5 was one of the models, last hurrah from IBM for the G5 desktop market) and by 2006 the Mac Pros with Intel Xeons ruled the land. The G5 debacle supposedly also cheesed him off desktop development, forcing him to think about other pastures to tend to.. like maybe phones?