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Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.


Yam Slacker

Fabulousity posted:

But can that same basement nerd, when dropped into the TV production machine, stand their ground against the army of studio executives who won't stop loving with things because "According to focus groups it won't sell in the midwest market" or a bunch of corporations just paid 20 million ad bucks to the studio so now you have to graft in a scene with your characters riding around in a Dodge Ram explicitly commenting on how great it is and how easy it was to pair their tricorder Apple iTunes app with it.

"Also, who's going to pay for the set and the effects for this fake spaceship you're going to use for a grand total of thirty seconds of screentime? Oh, and that one writer that we fired eight weeks ago, you remember, the complete jerk, is threatening to sue if we do a hologram fakeout thing because one of his scripts that we rejected had a thing like that in it, and he says we're stealing the idea. We could fight him but Legal says it'd be a huge hassle that they really don't have schedule space for right now. So... can't you just do something simple like have Patrick show up at the lady's house? We need to go on location for that anyway, for the last half of the scene. If you need more action, have her pull a raygun on him or something. Besides, I thought that was the whole point of this show anyway, nice quiet character drama, right? We can cut out one spaceship scene. So cut it."

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Pondex
Jul 8, 2014



Look at this big gay space-pimp:






Goddamn.
TNG really dropped the ball when they cut down on the camp.

oh but seriously I
Sep 26, 2019

Do you ever wonder if there are other planets out there
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Pondex posted:

Look at this big gay space-pimp:






Goddamn.
TNG really dropped the ball when they cut down on the camp.

Did you even see Q?

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004


Harry Mudd was just a goofy swindler

Pondex
Jul 8, 2014



oh but seriously I posted:

Did you even see Q?

I'll give you that, but he was only in like 10-12 episodes of new Trek

Admiralty Flag
Jun 7, 2007

I do not wish to create joinder with your stank ass



Slippery Tilde

Pondex posted:

Look at this big gay space-pimp:






Goddamn.
TNG really dropped the ball when they cut down on the camp.

More like did you ever see Riker's Angel I outfit?

Trast
Oct 20, 2010

Three games, thousands of playthroughs. 90% of the players don't know I exist. Still a redhead saving the galaxy with a [Right Hook].



thrilla in vanilla posted:

I donít know which dropped plot thread from tng is more infuriating, the gross bugs from Conspiracy or the progenitor aliens from The Chase. Probably gonna go with the latter

One of the novels picks up on the bug aliens. They end up being evil off shoots of the Trill that try to take over Bajor or something.

Lister
Apr 23, 2004



Powered Descent posted:

"Also, who's going to pay for the set and the effects for this fake spaceship you're going to use for a grand total of thirty seconds of screentime? Oh, and that one writer that we fired eight weeks ago, you remember, the complete jerk, is threatening to sue if we do a hologram fakeout thing because one of his scripts that we rejected had a thing like that in it, and he says we're stealing the idea. We could fight him but Legal says it'd be a huge hassle that they really don't have schedule space for right now. So... can't you just do something simple like have Patrick show up at the lady's house? We need to go on location for that anyway, for the last half of the scene. If you need more action, have her pull a raygun on him or something. Besides, I thought that was the whole point of this show anyway, nice quiet character drama, right? We can cut out one spaceship scene. So cut it."

I get that there are a lot of budgetary reasons to cut things out or down. It just feels so odd to see so many different alien bridges or new interiors throughout all of trek and then think this series couldn't have built one more. Discovery had so many beautiful and detailed sets, but Picard is stuck with drab location after drab location. I can only assume the budget was cut back drastically after Disco didn't justify how much it cost. Hopefully one day we'll know exactly what was happening behind the scenes and know for sure.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

the instrument of man's contempt for his fellow man, forever


Mulaney Power Move posted:

Harry Mudd was just a goofy swindler

Maybe a slaver, just a bit.

But yeah, that's why Discovery's take on his character is loving garbage

AntherUslessPoster
Feb 12, 2019

Universe existed for 13.8 billion years before humans and will exist for trillions years more after the last human is forgotten.
So what was your problem again?


"Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" (DIS1x07) is one of the best of all discovery (not a high bar ikr) and its about Mudd.

A White Guy
Dec 19, 2012

Never fear!
Japan is here!


AntherUslessPoster posted:

"Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" (DIS1x07) is one of the best of all discovery (not a high bar ikr) and its about Mudd.

Mudd is basically Neelix done right. He's like, the quintessential fat evil man and you can tell the actor had a lot of fun with the character.

Neelix on the other hand, is the proto Jar-Jar. I get what they were going for with his character (Guinan but not played by Whoopi Goldberg) without realizing what made that character tolerable (Whoopi Goldberg). Also, looking up the list of voyager cast is hella jaring - everyone is predictably older, but they all aged pretty well, and oh my god there's Jennifer Lien's mugshot. Jeeeesus christ meth is a hell of a drug.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

the instrument of man's contempt for his fellow man, forever


AntherUslessPoster posted:

"Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" (DIS1x07) is one of the best of all discovery (not a high bar ikr) and its about Mudd.

Sure, and if it had been a completely different character, fine. Instead we get grimdark Cool Ice Joker Mudd.

Harcourt Fenton Mudd, goofy conman or blood thirsty sociopath?

oh but seriously I
Sep 26, 2019

Do you ever wonder if there are other planets out there
(source)

Kill a guy once, that's murder. Kill them 100 times, that's comedy

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

the instrument of man's contempt for his fellow man, forever


If nothing else, mirror universe episodes are kinda pointless now that all of Star Trek takes place in the mirror universe

oh but seriously I
Sep 26, 2019

Do you ever wonder if there are other planets out there
(source)

infernal machines posted:

If nothing else, mirror universe episodes are kinda pointless now that all of Star Trek takes place in the mirror universe

It is more that we live in the mirror universe

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Not keeping silent about crimes committed by the government of China is racist!

A White Guy posted:

Mudd is basically Neelix done right. He's like, the quintessential fat evil man and you can tell the actor had a lot of fun with the character.

Neelix on the other hand, is the proto Jar-Jar. I get what they were going for with his character (Guinan but not played by Whoopi Goldberg) without realizing what made that character tolerable (Whoopi Goldberg). Also, looking up the list of voyager cast is hella jaring - everyone is predictably older, but they all aged pretty well, and oh my god there's Jennifer Lien's mugshot. Jeeeesus christ meth is a hell of a drug.

Don't forget she waggled her tits and rear end at some kids.

Chomp8645
Sep 1, 2006

Vvardenfell awaits.



infernal machines posted:

If nothing else, mirror universe episodes are kinda pointless now that all of Star Trek takes place in the mirror universe

Now the mirror universe of Star Trek is "good television".

AntherUslessPoster
Feb 12, 2019

Universe existed for 13.8 billion years before humans and will exist for trillions years more after the last human is forgotten.
So what was your problem again?


A White Guy posted:

Mudd is basically Neelix done right. He's like, the quintessential fat evil man and you can tell the actor had a lot of fun with the character.

Neelix on the other hand, is the proto Jar-Jar. I get what they were going for with his character (Guinan but not played by Whoopi Goldberg) without realizing what made that character tolerable (Whoopi Goldberg). Also, looking up the list of voyager cast is hella jaring - everyone is predictably older, but they all aged pretty well, and oh my god there's Jennifer Lien's mugshot. Jeeeesus christ meth is a hell of a drug.

I beg your pardon but how did you neelix = guinan?
Guinan was a friend, a guide, a treasure, a barkeep for your soul. Neelix was a goofy lowlife who had lot of mental health issues, toxic and was generally lost in his life.

also ohgod ffs why did you mention lien and her mugshot. gently caress me for googling that.


gently caress


infernal machines posted:

Harcourt Fenton Mudd, goofy conman or blood thirsty sociopath?

TOS vs 21st century viewer's demands. GOT, cyberpunk, all that grimdark bullshit. Its a trend fad

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

the instrument of man's contempt for his fellow man, forever


oh but seriously I posted:

It is more that we live in the mirror universe

I suddenly have a goatee, so that checks out, I don't know why it means Star Trek has to be angry bullshit now though.

AntherUslessPoster posted:

TOS vs 21st century viewer's demands. GOT, cyberpunk, all that grimdark bullshit. Its a trend fad

Yeah, I'm not a fan TBH

A White Guy
Dec 19, 2012

Never fear!
Japan is here!


AntherUslessPoster posted:

I beg your pardon but how did you neelix = guinan?
Guinan was a friend, a guide, a treasure, a barkeep for your soul. Neelix was a goofy lowlife who had lot of mental health issues, toxic and was generally lost in his life.

also ohgod ffs why did you mention lien and her mugshot. gently caress me for googling that.


gently caress

Neelix has more than a few moments where he tries to help people out with solid soulful advice. Every time he does this, it comes off like a homeless guy totally sauced sitting next to the door of a gas station offering to buy teenagers booze. You can tell that the voyager writing team looked at TNG's scripts and tried to ham Neelix into the same role without realizing what made those moments special and good.

Is there a documentary out there on the creative side of Voyager? Or rather, on what a complete mess it was? I feel like that would be hella entertaining.

AntherUslessPoster
Feb 12, 2019

Universe existed for 13.8 billion years before humans and will exist for trillions years more after the last human is forgotten.
So what was your problem again?


Well all these moments with a soulful advice could have been done by literally any sensible enough humanoid that lived longer than 9 years. I liked Neelix for his 'goofy unfittingness' into the crew. He just didn't loving fit and it made me feel compassionate.

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Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGGiTq_40S4

Wings of fire!

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