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Dabir posted:Reminder that according to Garak in Empok Nor, all Cardassians are naturally racist and all it took was a drug adminstered by accidentally putting his hand in it to make him mega murder racist. Cardassians are just 16 year old /pol/ posters with warp drive.
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holefoods posted:The insane thing is that Alaimo genuinely thought Dukat was a heroic good guy. He basically was Gul Dukat and was confused when the writers started pushing to make him more overtly evil instead of just kind of playfully evil. I got real #meetoo vibes from Alaimo from the DS9 documentary 
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Jan 25, 2022 03:53
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I forget where I read it but wasn't one of the other Cardassian traits something like "these guys will literally never stop monologuing if you give them the opportunity" Very lol.
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The General posted:I got real #meetoo vibes from Alaimo from the DS9 documentary Yeah, I felt the same way. Speaking of, the writers room scenes were interesting as well. I was thinking that Ron Moore would be a bit more talkative but he seemed like he was... not really wanting to be there.
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Moore might have gotten a start with star trek but he always seemed really restrained and low key frustrated with the production on trek shows. Galactica feels incredibly angry whenever it takes on Trek topics and does them BSG style.
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So it seems that when they were spitballing TNG back in 1986 in a Paramount board room they has a concept that they would get away from the contractual required "Kirk, Spock and McCoy in every scene" triumvirate system of TOS and go for an ensemble cast system. So basically in addition to binge watching every sci-fi flick from the 80s they also watched a lot of ensemble show like LA Law and Hill Street Blues. Part of the concept was that rather than redshirts dying every episode characters we knew would die and this would create tension. Also Tasha Yar's character was supposed to be a rip off of Jenette Goldstein's character from Aliens and they called her Macha which they dropped when they found out it sounded too lesbian.
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Arc Hammer posted:Moore might have gotten a start with star trek but he always seemed really restrained and low key frustrated with the production on trek shows. Galactica feels incredibly angry whenever it takes on Trek topics and does them BSG style. BSG is literally "This is how I would've made Voyager, gently caress you Rick Berman" if you've seen his post-VOY discussions..
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Prurient Squid posted:Jenette Goldstein I just learned she's the voice of the Enterprise Computer in the Short Treks. Wonder if she'll be back for Strange New Worlds.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:BSG is literally "This is how I would've made Voyager, gently caress you Rick Berman" if you've seen his post-VOY discussions.. BSG is very good but ironically it probably could have been helped out by someone being a pain in the rear end and saying to lighten up or drop this plot or explain this, etc...
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holefoods posted:BSG is very good but ironically it probably could have been helped out by someone being a pain in the rear end and saying to lighten up or drop this plot or explain this, etc... Those people were on strike at the time.
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Dukat has got to be the best multi-episode villain in all of Trek, right?
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The Wonder Weapon posted:Dukat has got to be the best multi-episode villain in all of Trek, right? He's no Ed Bagley Jr.
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Tunicate posted:Remember that this was an intentional choice by the writers because they wanted to show bajorans had a nonhuman psychology that was more prone to authoritarianism. The thing is, I don't think they had to do that, because it's something I can see human societies doing too. When the only thing that's kept you together for 50 years is your religion, and then a messenger from your gods shows up and says, "Hey, the gods say that our society needs to do X in order to move forward", you're going to get a lot of buy in there. Sabbatai Zevi, the 17th century Jewish messianic claimant got an enormous number of followers willing to do whatever he said, for example, with a bunch of them even converting to Islam on his orders.
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The General posted:I got real #meetoo vibes from Alaimo from the DS9 documentary I mean, it's telling that they couldn't get Alaimo for the documentary and instead had to re-use footage from the DVD special features. But, yes, he came across as a bit of a pill to work with. Then again, that entire documentary is a goddamn mess, and it was always destined to be a mess after Ira Behr took over as the director. He spends so much of the runtime huffing his own farts, and ultimately it just gets aggravating.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDpxuWj2A7o What a wonderful monster.
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Dabir posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDpxuWj2A7o I haven't watched DS9 in a long time but that short clip was very engrossing. I think Dukat's channelling European colonialism there.
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Maybe let actors direct but never let them write is the lesson of Trek
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Trying posted:Maybe let actors direct but never let them write is the lesson of Trek Counterpoint: Andrew Robinson. His Garak novel is great.
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It turns out that the idea of having a race of shape shifters to be antagonists is one of the early ideas they had back in '86. The same for the borg but it they called a Mind Swarm. I think at least one major writer who churned out a ton of ideas ended up getting hosed over pay and ended up filing a grievance with the Writer's Guild.
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Prurient Squid posted:It turns out that the idea of having a race of shape shifters to be antagonists is one of the early ideas they had back in '86. The same for the borg but it they called a Mind Swarm. I think at least one major writer who churned out a ton of ideas ended up getting hosed over pay and ended up filing a grievance with the Writer's Guild. the weird space roaches were supposed to be a big bad multiseason enemy but it just petered out.
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I want to see all the alternate TNGs. The Conspiracy storyline borne out to its conclusion, Ferengi treated as a prominent threat through a major arc, etc.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:picard dying in bobw because stewart left Consequently Shelby becoming first officer for the rest of the series.
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Did they ever explain what was blowing up outposts in the rom/fed neutral zone at the end of S1? Also I had a good lol at everyone being so shocked that the Romulans would appear before them, considering Tomalak's smug prick face starts showing up wherever they go from then on out 
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Brawnfire posted:Patrick Stewart being replaced with French Stewart Can he still receive messages from the Big Giant Head?
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Danaru posted:Did they ever explain what was blowing up outposts in the rom/fed neutral zone at the end of S1? Also I had a good lol at everyone being so shocked that the Romulans would appear before them, considering Tomalak's smug prick face starts showing up wherever they go from then on out It's heavily implied to be a Borg scouting party demolishing the outposts. Then after Q introduced them directly to the Borg the scout cube got much more aggressive and this is what led to Best of Both Worlds.
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Brawnfire posted:I want to see all the alternate TNGs. The Conspiracy storyline borne out to its conclusion, Ferengi treated as a prominent threat through a major arc, etc. Security Chief Macha Hernandez. The enormous two-level bridge that looks like an airport lounge. Sir Patrick in a hairpiece and doing a French accent.
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Powered Descent posted:Security Chief Macha Hernandez. "Zeez are ze voyages of ze starsheep Awntarpareeze..."
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Canonly pansexual Riker
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Cthulu Carl posted:Can he still receive messages from the Big Giant Head? Sure, it turns out to be those aliens from the Nth degree though
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Arc Hammer posted:It's heavily implied to be a Borg scouting party demolishing the outposts. Then after Q introduced them directly to the Borg the scout cube got much more aggressive and this is what led to Best of Both Worlds. The borg are a bit over two years away from the Federation in Q Who at the beginning of S2, then show up at the end of S3. There's a fair case to be made that the Borg Cube was originally written as a unique entity, and that upon seeing the Enterprise it immediately beelined for the Federation at maximum speed.
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It's interesting how much of original-premise new trek about the Enterprise being a giant, demilitarised luxury space ark with everyone's families on board made it in. Like the idea that they can reconfigure their environments to fit their original home life giving us the holodeck. Also lol at how much that went out of the window later on with all the pew pew space battles.
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yeah, you can't really reconcile keeping families on board with the actual things the enterprise did. that's supposedly what the saucer separation was for, but we've been over why they almost never used it repeatedly in this thread.
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because they realized how stupid this ship looked without the saucer?
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that and the expense, yeah.
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