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Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Ronald Moore took the same premise and made a much better series with Battlestar Galactica.












E: infinite shuttle crafts.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Apr 22, 2022

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Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

nvrmnd

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Velisarius posted:


Also, Mulgrew apparently hated Ryan, and caused her to become nauseous before shooting scenes together.

Never knew it was that bad. I also read that Beltran wanted to leave the show so he asked for some outrageous sum of money thinking the network would never pay it, which of course they did.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

The best Star Trek shows had two people driving the space ships. They went down hill when they only had one person driving the space ships. Bring back two drivers.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Volcott posted:

"Hey at some point in the future we might theoretically have guidelines that tell us to let these guys die so I'm just gonna do that now."

That chunk of the prime directive was kinda bullshit, honestly. Just let Worf's brother kidnap the planet if they're all hosed anyway.

The Federation might be a socialist utopia, but every planet has to bootstrap themselves as technological equals first.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Powercrazy posted:

He doesn't, he just wanted to debase the green starfleet captain for his own amusement.

Debasing figures of authority seems to be his "thing".

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

The Sphinxster posted:

Every time travel story is poo poo

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Arcsquad12 posted:

Janeway refuses help from a god to get her people home.
Sisko enlists a murderer to assassinate a senator to trick his species into joining a galactic war and throws his self respect in he gutter for the greater good.

Sisko > Janeway

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

treiz01 posted:

Voyager is the Star Trek equivalent of a third-rate procedural crime drama.

That's right. You won't hate yourself for watching it but you'll feel like you could've done something more interesting with your life instead using all those hours to watch a show that's too bland to be terrible.

Vakal posted:

How did the series end anyway? Did they ever make it home?


Voyager died as it lived. Another wasted opportunity. You spend 7 sessions waiting for these people to get home but they never show what they do after they get home. DS9 had a great scene on its finale that did that. MASH did too. It's like the writers had a bunch of great ideas for this show but decided to do the exact opposite of every one instead.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Milky Moor posted:

the funny thing about robert beltran is that he kept coming up with more and more grandiose things for chakotay to do, in the hope that he'd get fired

pretty sure the seven of nine/chakotay relationship was one of those things, which is why it just sort of came out of nowhere

I remember reading that he really hated that because it came out of nowhere. Chakotay had a cool gadget that sent you on psychedelic hallucinations with your spirit animal. They shelved it after the first season. Chakotay's dirty secret should've been that he was always tripping balls on duty.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Monkey Fracas posted:

I'm watching it, but not like actually watching it

It's background noise and I feel like that's all it deserves


I wonder if this is like the other Star Trek shows where they take a season or two to really hit their stride

Nope.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Hector Beerlioz posted:

It's funny when you consider everyone on ds9 hated each other

What's this? Avery Brooks was pretty eccentric, but I didn't know the rest hated each other.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Blistex posted:

She started out with Brooks (Sisko) then hooked up with Siddig (Bashir), so that might have been a source of tension on set as well.

Didn't know Vistor and Brooks had a thing. Knew she and Siddig had a kid. Terry Farrell quit after season six and ended up marrying the Sprint PCS guy.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Nevermind.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

ok so was all of star trek really just sisko being crazy and writing on walls or what????

No, it's O'Brien's pathetic holo sweet fantasy. That thread was fabulous by the way.



The biggest disappointment of Star Trek was never showing the full glory of Vulcan Love Slave.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

is that one of the retarded aliens?

These guys are super smart at strategy and complete assholes.



gently caress my life that I know this poo poo.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007


One of the better episodes was the beings who came into contact with Voyager and ended up thinking they were the Voyager crew but had to get back to their own planet because they couldn't survive anywhere else.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Vakal posted:

Well that's lame.

A better ending would be after finally reaching home, all the Voyager crew members start erupting with horrible monster larvae that soon spread and kill everything on Earth, but not before
Neelix reveals that he was planting eggs in their food for years.

Which is why you don't make an alien your loving head chef.

:aaaaa:

The thing about these Voyager threads is how many ideas come up that are way better than anything we saw on screen.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Nevermind

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Remember, waste matter is transformed into food. Everything replicated is just transformed waste matter.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Those super soldiers should've made Picard their Emissary. Even Starfleet officers have massive egos that can be sucked up to. Then you get to be on the fast track to citizenship.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Did Neelix go around the ship in his bare feet for the whole series? That seems unsanitary by Starfleet standards.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

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Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

cheerfullydrab posted:

I bet he did and I bet he was using his visor to cheat even though there wasn't any actual money involved.

Still better than Troi pegging everyone's tells and Data counting cards.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

VectorSigma posted:

riker can win poker against an empath, an android, and a dude who can see through cards

None could penetrate his mightiness of his beard.


E:


Or this smug look of satisfaction.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jun 2, 2016

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

man speaking of rikers beard this might be my favorite Trek moment



Yeah,that wasn't exactly a big reveal because it didn't reveal anything. They also never resolved that plot line or a few Maquis plot lines because they couldn't get the actors to come back. Characters just died off screen.

But no matter what version, Riker's still get the smug. That's that be natural thing Geordi keeps tripping over.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jun 2, 2016

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

I didn't mean to imply that it was a big moment or anything. it was just so loving hilariously ridiculous.


Yep. Riker 2.0, Cal Hudson, Eddington, Ro Laren, all have the same plot line that never has any satisfactory conclusion.


Somebody should also point out to Starfleet that a bunch of their mid level officers keep joining the same terrorist organization.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Jun 2, 2016

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

Ok I've never watched much of Voyager. Maybe most of season 1 before I gave up. Should I or shouldn't I watch Threshold because this thread kinda got me amped up for it.

No, unless your unsober.

The problem with Voyager is that it really isn't a terrible show, just bland. Voyager leaves most people with an empty unsatisfied feeling like they've wasted an hour of their life when anything else done with that time could've been more rewarding.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Jun 2, 2016

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

criscodisco posted:


Voyager was full of ideas that were different from what we'd already seen (like the single episode that claimed it was impossible to steer at warp)

What?

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

criscodisco posted:

There was an episode where they had to go through a region of space with proximity mines or something, and Janeway said to Paris "what's the first thing they teach you about warp speed?" and he had some stupid rhyme like "only fly straight, get through the gate" or something equally dumb.

They wound up programming the autopilot to fly for a bit, drop out of warp, turn, fly for a bit, drop out of warp, turn, repeat until they were clear of the trouble.

All that instead of, you know, flying under or over the problem area. Trek always forgets that space has 3 dimensions.

That must have been exclusive to the plot of the episode, then. TOS, Nex Gen, and DS9 all had turns at warp.

NOT CANON.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

rocket_man38 posted:

Why is it every other federation starship is incompetent or run by jackasses? Even in voyager, equinox had captain evil, and the prometheus got hijacked. Ds9 had that evil admiral in charge of the lakota, and that ship transporting Dukat got ambushed and blown up. TNG has too many to mention.

Earth is a utopia populated by well adjusted people. The outliers have a propensity for reckless decisions and danger. Starfleet wasn't just created for protection and exploration but to get the malcontents off the loving planet.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Jun 3, 2016

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Cthulu Carl posted:

Wasn't Paris at a penal resort in like New Zealand, though?

The authorities quickly realized rehabilitation wouldn't take. That's why they sent him to the badlands.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Hector Beerlioz posted:

Was Paris supposed to be the cadet the guy played in that tng episode, the one with the shuttle accident coverup?

No. Just similar characters played by the same actor. That was Voyager's first mistake right out of the gate.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Crowsbeak posted:

I always thought all the TNG movies were flawed. But why the hell didn't they have Sela as the villain in that?

TNG movie logic follows VOY logic. Episodic one offs to draw the non-trek viewers. It worked just as well. Never mind Wrath of Khan was the best movie of the whole lot.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

TNG used the Borg sparingly and that made them menacing. VOY they were monster of the week.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Neelix was a draft dodger.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Fat Shat Sings posted:

Voyager is poo poo an I only have passing memory of some of the shittier parts, but did anyone ever call Neelix out for being a psycho / borderline violent over his 3 year old girlfriend or the fact that she was 3 years old?

I mean everyone makes fun of it in these threads, I just don't remember if Tom Paris or Janeway said something like "Kes is three years old dude" or if they just completely ignored it altogether.

All the above would've made the show interesting. Instead, all those topics were skirted around and forgotten as blandly as possible.

And our 3 is Kes's 30, but the fact that Star Trek has a bunch of pedophiles as fans makes you wonder if the that was some kind of discrete fan service.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Apr 22, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Hector Beerlioz posted:

If I was on Voyager I would want to be stationed on that bottom deck where you don't have to do any actual work, just sit there.

They did an episode on that. Basically, Janeway found a list of 4 slackers who had never been on an away mission and insisted she lead them on one herself. She got them all killed IIRC.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Volcott posted:

Anyone have a list of, like, 10 good TNG episodes? For when you only want a little Star Trek.

(Saw the Worf gets owned by a barrel episode on the BBC recently, that was pretty okay.)

"Yesterday's Enterprise".

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Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

criscodisco posted:

Data was just as creepy as Geordi with women.

He dated that blond lady and when she complained that he didn't act like a real human boyfriend he went to her quarters and started yelling at her that she wasn't his mother.

Data put more effort into making the appearance of nurturing authentic human relationships than the rest of the crew did actually doing it. Still better boyfriend material than Geordi.

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