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Bogus Adventure posted:I could tell you, or I could show you: There's also just the aesthetics in general. Picard is like the rest of modern Trek in particular and modern sic-fi in general in that it is filled with those moronic hologram motion controls, lens flares, and everything being an unadorned oversized steel corridor. People make jokes about everything in 90's trek being carpeted, but it gave the ships personality. The Promenade looked like something people actually would live in. I can't imagine anything in modern Trek having been designed for habitation. Even Enterprise which consciously did the "unadorned steel corridor" look still made sure things looked sensical and livable.
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Apr 14, 2020 00:31
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The Klingons had a bunch of Aliens on Rura Pente that I would assume are mostly from Klingon space. And there was that one criminal from In the Pale Moonlight they got out of Klingon Jail, so he was probably from the Empire too. What I'm saying is that Empires subject population is made entirely of convicts. When the Klingons roll up on your world the first thing they do they serve everyone a warrant.
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Apr 21, 2020 03:42
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Everyone loves those races like the Cardassians or TNG Klingons who get those nice looking expensive prosthetic foreheads, but what's your favorite "We ran out of budget" alien. I love these guys from that episode of ENT where Archer and Trip get dehydrated from playing Lacrosse. It's literally just Sharpie.
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Apr 23, 2020 04:55
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GolfHole posted:p lazy of the federation not to build a new starbase since they otherwise have hundreds of them Well the agreement with Bajor was to run the station formerly known as Terok Nor,not build a new one. And it would be exactly like the Bajoran Government to complain about violations of sovereignty if the Feds tried to build their own station in orbit.
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Jun 28, 2020 08:41
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Is there anything worse than being a Vorta? You can’t taste food, your biologically unable to enjoy art, you can’t get your rocks off, and you have to activate your suicide implant if the boss is in a bad mood. At least the Jem’Hadar get to get high on space cocaine. Even O’Brien gets to go on hologram adventures with his friends between existential torture sessions.
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Dec 24, 2021 10:07
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Have always had some weird vivid childhood memory of spider Barclay being way more hosed up with actual giant articulated spider leg’s and such and like swinging upside down from the ceiling on a web at Picard. I swear it happened it’s real! They changed the episode after it aired!
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Oct 17, 2022 08:29
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“My god you’re a genius Odo! Why did we never think of this? We were just sitting here piling up on the bare ground till we became a goo ocean. Finally I’ll have some privacy!”
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Mar 11, 2023 21:47
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So season 1: It’s revealed the Romulans have infiltrated the highest positions of Starfleet for years. The whole organization does what they say whether they know it or not. Season 2: It’s revealed the Changelings have infiltrated the highest positions of Starfleet for years. The whole organization does what they say whether they know it or not. So did they have regular zoom calls to make sure their conspiracies didn’t get in each other’s way? Are there any members of Starfleet who aren’t infiltrating it on behalf of a foreign power? Is Shaw only helping because he’s part of the Klingons own competing conspiracy?
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Mar 19, 2023 04:18
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In all honesty the Baku were hypocritical Fascist Luddites and deserved everything that was going to happen to them and worse.
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Mar 19, 2023 05:59
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Just realized that Discovery had Starfleet get infiltrated by both the Klingons and the Mirror Universe. This is literally the only plot these hack writers have isn’t it?
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Mar 19, 2023 21:25
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It’s more that in seven years of TNG Starfleet only got compromised once (by the bugs) While over in Picard and Discovery it’s been 4 times in five years. You can only use the infiltration plot once in so many years before it becomes farcical.
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Mar 19, 2023 21:45
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First Contact should have been a team up movie where the rest of the DS9 crew (or at least just Sisko and O’Brien) beam over with Worf. Replace Picard with Sisko and Lily with Picard.
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Mar 26, 2023 21:38
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Ooh I bet when they kill the borg Queen all the Changeling infiltrators conveniently drop dead for “reasons”
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Apr 15, 2023 21:53
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I see your point, but would also argue that no one involved with First Contact intended for the same group of actors to be trying to do action more than a quarter of a century later. First Contact for all it got right did irreparable damage to the Borg by creating the Queen. She goes against the entire point of them. Even Locutus was just a way for the collective to more easily communicate to humans by creating a mouthpiece.
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Apr 15, 2023 22:26
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I’m glad O’Brien and Barclay aren’t here even though this whole reunion season is written like they should, because if they were present they would suffer excruciating violent meaningless deaths for shock value like literally every other returning minor character (TNG O’Brien is minor).gimme the GOD drat candy posted:you don't need a queen if you can just pull out another spokesman drone like locutus. That’s exactly what Seven was in her first arc. Scorpion seemed to have treated the queens death in First Contact as permanent since she never appears or is referenced and the Borg act like their old TNG selves. Trixie Hardcore posted:Locutus is a dumb idea too, what's the point of having a mouthpiece? I don't understand why the Borgs need to talk to anybody, if you want the people of Earth to know what you're thinking just assimilate them all and then bing bong they know what you're thinking. They explain that in the episode. Because we are “authority driven”. It’s basically a figure for us to submit to since assimilating a submitted species is more efficient than a resisting one.
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Lister posted:This is reminding me that the Romulans still have a serious refugee crisis with warlords controlling a lot of their relocated systems. Remember when Picard felt really bad about that and it seemed like he and seven of nine were going to do something to help them? Oh well, gently caress'em. Remember when the finale of S1 revealed the Romulans secretly still had a whole warfleet of doom to destroy all robots and had been giving secret anti-robot orders to starfleet for years? You’d think their spies would have noticed the transporters making people into robots or something. Hell why weren’t they blowing up Daystrom or going back to DataWorld now that it’s undefended? Still what a lovely wet fart of a death for the Borg. From the best Trek antagonist ever in TNG to this sorry state. It feels like bullying or cheating at this point. I know Voyager and S1-2 already did the grunt work but it was still just insulting.
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Apr 20, 2023 21:26
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Facebook Aunt posted:That was a specialist cell that cares deeply about android AI and nothing else. They blew up the rescue fleet that was going to save the Romulans in order to try to get androids banned in the Federation. They don't care if everyone dies, as long as they don't die to synthetic life forms. I mean they cared about Robots and the Borg are robots. That’s like exactly what they’re all about with their gigantic world destroying fleet.
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Apr 20, 2023 23:43
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Dabir posted:The ship cleans itself, somehow, don't apply more thought to it than that The episode where Picard re-enacts Die Hard and kills Tuvok (good episode) the thieves are taking advantage of the D being empty for cleaning. Apparently they just sweep a lethal sterilization beam over everything that sloooooowly gets closer to you for maximum suspense.
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Apr 21, 2023 17:28
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The Last Call posted:
My theory that Trek quality is a function of Circle Width vs Height is proven. The D has a circle that’s Wider than its length and thus TNG is the best, The original enterprise is a perfect circle and thus TOS is second place, The E and F are long and the TNG movies and Picard suck. And finally the G isn’t even a circle get the gently caress out of here Picard S3!
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Apr 25, 2023 00:26
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What was with all the filler two parters in the second half of TNG? Stuff like Times Arrow, Gambit, even good stuff like Chain of Command. Syndicated TV usually saves two parters for “Events” like Nimoy in Unification or even the conclusion of the Borg and Lore story arcs in a season finale like Descent. But then you just have these standard plots of the week about “that time we hung with Mark Twain” stretching across two episodes.
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May 16, 2023 09:02
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Having the Borg as an unambiguous antagonist at all past TNG is a bad idea because it goes against the entire series plotline and the franchises themes as a whole. We start with Q Who, where we learn the galaxy has more to it than just new varieties of rubber foreheads. Picard asks “How do we communicate with this weird poo poo?” Both Guinan and Q answer “You two don’t know how to talk yet”. Next we have Best of Both Worlds, the Borg are here and ironically it is them, not the heroes who are the ones who try to bridge the communication gap via Locutus. But the whole “assimilate Earth” plan obviously shows that this is a work in progress. Then we have I, Borg. Now it’s humanity deciding to try communicate to the Borg via Hugh. And Picard accepting and sparing Hugh is more than just him getting over his hate as an individual, it’s about Treks message as a whole, that finding a way to communicate is more important than taking the easy way out of shooting your problems away. Finally we have Descent. And while I know a lot of people give it flak, it concludes the Borg arc like it should. Because of humanity’s efforts to communicate the Borg are finally starting to get this whole individuality thing. And sure we need Lore manipulating them to give us some suspense and wiz bang action, the series concludes with our last meeting with the Borg not with shooting, but talking. And much like the Klingons went from 2-dimensional villains in TOS to someone we were learning to get along with, however difficult it often was, in TNG later series should have stayed true to Treks message and made future Borg encounters ambiguous and sometimes even beneficial.
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Dabir posted:Would you say Scorpion was a step on the right path there? Not really. For one species 8472 is themselves portrayed more as something the Borg have unleashed upon us through their evil ways than as a mutual problem we learn to solve through getting along. The second is right there in the title, a reference to an ultra-cynical proverb that states no one can ever change and it's foolish to even try and get along with them. At no point in the story are the Borg ever negotiating in good faith, and at every point are trying to betray the heroes, even when it's not necessary. Meanwhile the Voyager crew never views working together as an attempt to bridge their two peoples, instead viewing it more like negotiating with a Bridge Troll or even as just buying them off. A version of Scorpion that continued from where TNG left off should have presented Species 8472 as a problem that the Borg didn't cause, and make it so the crew and Borg working together is presented as something that both sides have earnest intentions towards making it work both in the short and long term. Like maybe at the end the Borg keep their end of the deal and tell Voyager "Fine we'll leave you alone but you have to take Seven along as a probation officer till your out of the quadrant". Seven in this case isn't "freed" from the collective, she's just there as a kind of observer and you techno-babble an excuse for why she gets to be in a sexy catsuit and isn't always in full contact with the collective, so she'll still be having all her "what is individuality?" episodes and series arc without having to even change any of them! Maybe even have Species 8472 be a problem that Voyager caused, and Janeway going to the Borg is something presented as her nobly admitting "Look I know we just caused a problem on your doorstep, but we are willing to own up and help you solve this instead of leaving you to clean it up. You could even go further thematically and have 8472 be a hive mind species itself. Make going to the Borg an effort to get someone with experience in this kind of thing.
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May 19, 2023 06:41
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S7 is fine haters. It’s got Pegasus, Lower Decks (the episode), Renaissance Data, All good things, and gently caress you Masks and Genesis are good campy fun. And while it heavily suffers from being a one episode story stretched over two Descent is unfairly maligned. Sex Ghost: Coast to Coast is just the suffering that gives the good parts of life context.
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May 23, 2023 16:46
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People say Enterprise was finally finding itself and imagine that it would become great had it only gotten renewed, but I doubt it. As Nicetuckposting pointed out they were creatively spent. 12 straight uninterrupted years of overlapping Trek is going to exhaust all your ideas no matter what you do. And then 9/11 happened. 90’s style Trek simply wasn’t the kind of TV allowed in a America anymore, and you already saw it infecting the show more and more as it went on. I’m not saying that if the show had kept going would have become 24 in space, but I am.
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McSpanky posted:Yeah I was gonna say, the 24 in Space season was very clearly season 3, and it was largely terrible. Season 4 was a major course correction on that.
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May 24, 2023 06:08
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Flipperwaldt posted:I meant like they'd finally start exploring the thickness of the galaxy instead of staying in the 2d plane. They already did that in The Wrath of Khan though?
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May 30, 2023 23:35
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Thinking about how Voyagers medical bay set had that nice orange area that they could use as a “quarantine” room for people when the story required it. The TNG and DS9 sets didn’t really have that which made stories about the disease of the week awkward. Hell DS9 barely even had a “set” Bashir was practically working out of a broom closet.
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Jun 2, 2023 17:46
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MikeJF posted:
Yeah I was thinking about it as a TV show set/visual language thing. The TNG set is just too open and sparse. The orange lights and three sides being walls on Voyager do a better job at telling your brain “This is separated and safe”. Though of course anything is better than DS9s little one bed shoebox, if anything a big rear end space station should have the biggest most expensive medical suite of the three, though it did get that cool MRI machine.
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Jun 4, 2023 00:11
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“Garak as dopehead” is a plot they should have continued. Just have it every few episodes we walk in on Garak toking up on some new space-drug or suffering from horrifying new withdrawal symptoms. Next week on Deep Space Nine: Miles is trapped in ore processing after the crew locks down the station to try and contain Garak, who is so high on Romulan Meth he’s grown a second, acid spewing, head. Can O’Brien and Garak’s non-acid spitting head survive this deadly game of cat and mouse? Find out next time on Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:He was never a dopehead though, he was self-medicating with the pleasure chip just to deal with his lovely situation in life. Can't go home, stuck betraying his people and unable to help them while everything goes to poo poo. Not to turn the conversation all serious and depressing here but, “self medicating to take the pain away (mental or physical)” describes soooooo many addicts. The whole episode is about “drugs” and Garak is OD’ing. The metaphors are thick. They literally talk about him building up tolerance.
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When you think about it the Enterprises self destruct in Search for Spock was terribly designed. After all that cool pyrotechnics all it did was blow up maybe half the saucer section. It left something like 80% of the ship still intact. And it was all the techy parts like the warp core that an enemy would want far more than the mess hall or sleeping quarters that actually got blown up. Kirks lucky there was a nearby planet for it all to burn up in atmosphere.
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Schwarzenegger. Terminator and Predator are both beloved 80’s sci-fi.
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Augments definitely become a worse and worse metaphor to use as genetic engineering becomes more and more real in the modern day. People just don’t think of genetics that way anymore. Now when gene tampering causes problems in fiction it’s by way of body horror or a zombie plague. That and the idea of a chiseled Fascist Ubermensch crushing the free world under his sculpted pecs is no longer a stock cultural boogeyman like it was in the 60’s-80’s (now fascists are portrayed as incels or fat rednecks).
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Jun 24, 2023 06:11
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Some kind of limited series anthology where each episode is about a ship and crew from a different classic trek species in different eras. We get to see how they each handle the standard trek space anomalies/diplomatic crisis’ in their own ways different from Starfleet. An episode about a Movie era Klingon ship that’s basically an extended version of the Gowron vs Pakleds scene. An episode where a crew of TOS era Romulans have to outwit and deceive the godlike energy being that’s toying with them. Another where a hard scrabble band of TNG/DS9 era Ferengi wheel deal and scam a scientist into fixing the quantum anomaly that reverses all motion.
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Gonna repeat myself but: Pegasus, Lower Decks (the episode), Renaissance Data, All good things, are all great episodes, and gently caress you Masks and Genesis are good campy fun. And while it heavily suffers from being a one episode story stretched over two Descent is unfairly maligned. There’s nothing wrong with season 7.
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Still waiting for my TNG/Legends of the Hidden Temple Crossover. Masaka-Data jumps out from behind a stone pillar to drag off a competitor.
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How did Spot get knocked up being that 1: He’s locked in datas room, and 2: any tomcat she might meet would be locked in their room. What are we to assume, that the D’s pet cat population has a secret society in the Jeffries Tubes?
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:matalas did get one thing right, at least. a fairly large percentage of the fanbase will immediately stop thinking and start hootin' and hollerin' if the thing they recognize appears on screen. While this is true I think the season also got so popular because it tapped into a much deeper and more profound vein of nostalgia than simple “remember that?” references. I thought RLM made a good point that the season milked nostalgia in a much more subtle way that was like cocaine to a lot of angry dejected fans (like RLM). It was essentially a big middle finger and undoing of the widely hated TNG movies and the sorry state they left the characters and story in (well 3 of 4 are hated anyway) and put everything back to how it should have stayed at the end of All Good Things. The D? Good as new. Data? Like he never left. The crew? One big happy family again. Picard bloodline being wiped out? Surprise secret son. It’s basically wrapping you in a big blanket and telling you “It’s okay it was just a bad dream. It’s still the 1990’s. All good things (ha see what I did there?) are still good and have not been ruined by the corrosive march of time and corporate profit seeking.”. It’s still not good mind you.
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Arcades only really made sense when it was prohibitively expensive to have a dedicated video game machine in your house. Even in the late 16bit era arcades were already starting to lose any price to tech ratio advantage they had. By the time the PS2 is out no arcade cabinet can do anything a cheap console can’t do better. What I’m saying is that Holodecks will soon be replaced by the HoloStation 2
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