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Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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I know people joke about TOS being sexist, but I was not expecting their variation on a “planet that grants wishes” plot (Shore Leave) to start with Kirk getting to slap his rival, Sulu getting a cool gun, Bones seeing a white rabbit... and the only woman who beams down being nearly raped? :staredog: It’s a bit much

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Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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But even in TOS, bad guys are usually shown as “bad apples” who are seen through and brought to justice by the crew. That’s not “dark and gritty” and showing we can’t rise above, it’s cartoony and optimistic. There’s never, like, institutional corruption or hopelessness of ever beating evil. In that episode with the Spock space-racism, the crewman learns his lesson, and the Romulan doesn’t want to fight. Even in dire straits when phasers are used, there are lines like “Dead? But I only had it on stun!” so that you know that lasering a sentient being to death is really considered a no-no even for action hero Kirk

Prism Mirror Lens fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Feb 18, 2020

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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The classic universally understood human standard, noble sword elf

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Alright I started actually watching Picard, and while you’re all talking about sword elves I’m here wondering why they needed a shot of Picard’s pitbull’s big swinging dog balls in the first ep

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Why do they even have that guy when 99% of the time the computer can drive? “Plot a course to so-and-so” must be the equivalent of clicking a place on google maps

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Most jobs on the ship require constant decision making or physical presence at least. But helmsman is just the second most lovely boring job after whatever O’Brien’s job title is when he’s the transporter guy and he just stands alone in a room all day

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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I’m only on episode 10 of B5 but so far it’s like someone reached into an alternate universe and brought back their version of DS9. Its good and it’s one million percent more Trek than every Trek thing post-ds9. Unfortunately everyone I know avoided watching it at the time because of, yeah, the dumb headpieces

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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I can’t bring myself to hate Neelix. I liked him when I was a kid. I liked pretty much all of the alien characters. I really hated Tom Paris and Kes (god what an awful character idea - barely counts as an alien since she’s just “bangable child”).

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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I’m also watching early Voyager. The episode where they decide to take comedy character Neelix and give him a war guilt story and make him do serious, tearful acting really blows.

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Colonel Cancer posted:

Idk the one where he dies and realizes that there's no afterlife is pretty good.

Too bad they bring him back

But Chakotay’s spirit can fly around the ship possessing people when he’s braindead, he clearly has an afterlife of some kind. And they find an asteroid belt that has, like, spirit energy from the dead aliens nearby. It’s p clear that there is an afterlife, but Neelix isn’t allowed in

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Look you cowards, I’ll say it if nobody else has the balls to. The hottest Trek character is Gul Dukat and I want him to yell at me.

Harry Kim is also canonically too sexy to die: “The producers at one point had planned to permanently kill off Harry Kim during season three, but after Wang was included in the People list of sexiest people alive 1997, the plan was abandoned.”

thedangergroove posted:

Which Star Trek actor has the best relationship with their grandparents?

Nana Visitor

lol

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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In this voyager episode, the doctor has to pretend to be kes’s dad so he can rub her feet until her tongue swells so neelix can impregnate her. Deviantart hadn’t even been invented in 1995, and yet

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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I think the question is less “why doesn’t Bajor have x” (because yeah, you can just say Cardassians took it) and more “why can’t humanity, with its explicitly infinite resources, instantly give Bajor everything it needs”

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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I skip almost every klingon/worf episode bc I don’t give a poo poo about honor and war and glory or whatever. Sorry but klingons are the most boring main Trek race. Ok, the one where he gets paralysed by a barrel is good for a laugh

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Man TOS is really obsessed with episodes where Kirk rocks up to a planet nobody wants him at, meddles with its society, then does a speech about how being happy is bad actually and humanity needs a challenge

When they meet a bunch of eugenics lords they all sit down and talk about how awesome they are and let them off at a planet along with a mutinous crew member who wants to go with them, but when literally everyone wants to go live on paradise spore planet Kirk won’t let them. gently caress off, I want to go to paradise spore planet, looks awesome

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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There’s a Tiptree short story which is literally that - the idea that humans are extremely exogamous and thus aliens drive them to uncontrollable horniness in the same way that a bird will go mad for a huge fake egg

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Kirk in “A Taste of Armageddon”: waltzes up to a planet he’s been specifically told not to go to, uses his ‘superior morals’ to force the local culture to abandon a 500-year war and make peace.

Kirk 3 episodes later in “Errand of Mercy”, being forced to make peace by an alien race with superior morals: “WE HAVE LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES WITH THE KLINGONS! WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO WAGE WAR! HOW DARE YOU INTERFERE WITH OUR AFFAIRS”

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Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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snickothemule posted:

I'm so unsure about what they were trying to achieve with Data, the scenes between him and Picard were the best parts of the show, but either I stopped caring and missed something critical, or the eriters had no clue, but the whole point of Data's significance after finding a planet of Soong type Androids wasn't quite clear to me. Was the message that we have to die and become robots to appreciate the last wishes of our lost friends?

I don’t think the writers had any idea in general what issue they were trying to address with the focus on Data and synthetic life. You’ve got Data, who is unique as well as being a friend, but then you also have mass produced androids, and the concept of androids being produced in pairs, and you start off with the concept of Dahj being Data’s daughter but (leaving aside how that concept is not really interesting for anyone who watched TNG) the connotations of a uniquely synthetic lifeform having a daughter who is indistinguishable from a real human is very weird when synthetic lifeforms usually signify “humanity’s children” anyway, and then there’s the Borg, and then Picard becomes a robot who’s indistinguishable from a human too, and blehhhhh

They just jammed every kind of robot in, nothing means anything

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Oh yes, I would have found an exploration of what it MEANS for an android to attempt to recreate a human perfectly to be very interesting. It’s a good concept, a weirdly circular family tree. (It would be good in a Prometheus-type movie - I still maintain that film was good because it went into the family dynamics of android children). But in this case I think it’s just shrugged off as, hey, Data wants to be human, or whatever.

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Speaking of not caring about crew being killed - in season 1 of DS9, O’Brien has a missing engineer. He finds this melted glob of fused tritanium and organic matter which is clearly the site of a horrifying accident.

He makes a quip about how whatever it was, “it’s pretty well cooked”, and then goes and buys some novelty food on a stick. O’Brien has seen some poo poo. This doesn’t even register.

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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The tardigrade didn’t feel like a Star Trek plot idea to me. In Star Trek, if the question is “do we torture a creature to benefit ourselves,” that’s barely even a debate. It’s wrong to torture. It would take half an episode to cover. This dragged on for like 3 episodes with everyone acting like bastards.

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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And don’t forget Neelix lies about serving at war, then it turns out he ran away. He coaxes a few nice moments out of other members of the crew, like Tuvok talking about his family in that horrible “kes is teen pregnant!!” episode, which imo is better than what Tom Paris does. I wish they’d kept Seska on the crew to provide some real conflict/growth.

vv absolute truth

Prism Mirror Lens fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Apr 29, 2020

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Bashir: Captain, when did you stop having to escort the VIPs?
Sisko: when I hit one of them. It was a simple ‘misunderstanding’ over one of them trying to coax a young ensign to his quarters.

Same episode:

Odo: One of the ambassadors is being sexually aggressive towards me, I need help!
Sisko: lol nice have u considered banging her

I know Odo isn’t exactly a young ensign, but that’s some double standard dude...

Still, at least this episode (s1e16) highlights one of the best things about real Trek. Every character is treated with dignity. It would have been easy to make Odo a boring stick-in-the-mud who gets shown that he needs to come out of his shell, which is basically how Sisko treats him here. Instead they let Odo be who he is and keep true to the core of his personality. Even the invading computer ’program’ is treated as a valid lifeform that needs to be respected rather than destroyed or changed. Picard and Disco are not Trek because they do not give their characters basic dignity and respect. QED

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Pick posted:



data's super heavy?? although since he can inflate to float ehhhh i dunno

What is this from and why is data being played by nic cage

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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hemale in pain posted:

true, i watched the naked time recently and they casually accidentally time travel at the end of the episode

you can barely walk from one room to another on any starfleet vessel without accidentally going back five million years in time, teleporting yourself into another dimension, injecting yourself with spacedrugs and fusing with another crewmember. Starfleet is just where they send all the insanely accident prone people

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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They really put way more effort into that than they had to, and I appreciate it. Also, including Ro Laren? They have great taste in side characters

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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I can’t get over Sisko’s decision at the end of “The Cardassians”. From what we see of Cardassia it’s not like there’s a few bad apples, it’s that their whole social, political and legal situations are p hosed up and likely to act against this kid. And he already has a Bajoran family. But Sisko’s just blithely like “bye, let the healing begin!!” Wtf

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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From my point of view they DID separate a family for political purposes. All Rugal knows is his Bajoran family. But to score points against Dukat they decided to take him away from that family regardless of what he wanted. Pa’Dar was almost certainly involved in all kinds of abhorrent stuff in the occupation too, and while he seems like a nice enough guy... I still wouldn’t hand a kid back to a space Nazi without some serious thought

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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I get the feeling tv writers now also are in a bubble where none of them have ever had a normal job so they can’t envision or identify with the office workplace that TNG essentially was. They’re more familiar with stupid military tropes and people dramatically yelling at each other so that’s what goes in the tv show: a recycled vomit of American military drama mixed with some teen romance drama. Also torture of living beings because American military dramas are all really, really obsessed with the question of “what if torture good??”

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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What’s with the multiple creepy “Jake gets involved with an older woman” episodes on DS9

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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I never gave a drat what they did or didn’t do with Jadzia’s character because I found it inherently fascinating that she was a woman who used to be a man. (guess the reason and win absolutely no prize)

Seriously though, I’m sure the reason it feels like they didn’t do much with her was not because she was a strong independent woman and they didn’t know how to write that. It was because someone who’s lived like eight lifetimes can’t believably have major flaws or big issues to deal with. It’s hard to write someone who has vastly more life experience and wisdom than any human will ever have. They try to introduce things like she wasn’t really a great initiate, but it ends up all revolving around her symbiont. I think in a regular episodic Trek she wouldn’t have stood out as particularly useless, but with flawed regularly appearing characters like Odo, Kira, Dukat etc flying around she might feel flat in comparison.

She does have some real stinker episodes like the one where she decides to bugger off for 60 years to energy-bang some dude she just met, I will admit that

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

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Communist Walrus posted:

"alright, tomorrow is the first day of your trial for, hmm, let's see...blowing up a freighter full of orphans. The judge is going to ask you how you plead. Your options are guilty, not guilty, or possessed by an alien entity. Trust me when I say the latter is going to get you a lot of mileage in this court system."

The Cardassian justice system suddenly makes a lot more sense

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

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ya he was beigeoran

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

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the only redeeming trait about Cardassians is their love for their family, that’s why they all have like a hundred kids. Which isn”t as weird a choice as it seems for a reptilian-looking race. Crocodiles raise their young for months and are very attentive

e: hmm according to memory alpha I’m wrong and they aren’t known for having that many children. Well fine then, dukat just likes to get it on

Prism Mirror Lens fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jun 3, 2020

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

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Pick posted:

Kotan P'dar is also facing disgrace to get his son back, where otherwise he could have swept it under the rug. Same with Dukat wrt: Ziyal. And Tain knows for his own protection he should have done the same with Garak (and says as much) but never does/can. Dukat's also pretty focused on his son we never see (annoys me... show me the little dude!)

There’s the ep with the guy who thinks Kira is his daughter too. When it comes down to it Cardassians really do value their family over government, duty, etc. Everyone else’s kids can get hosed though, especially orphans

Prism Mirror Lens fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jun 3, 2020

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

"the holodeck did it because it knows everyone wants a fuckdoll from it eventually

This is v realistic though, like how every AI exposed to the internet immediately becomes racist. Every ship’s computer becomes horny. Most of the engineers are just employed to keep debugging the horniness out of the main subroutines

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

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Sisko falls in love with a woman who is just a mental projection by someone else’s wife and has literally no personality or memories
Janeway falls in love with a holodeck character
Kirk falls in love with a shapeshifter, a robot, probably loads of other things

Does Picard have a “falls in love with something clearly not real” moment? Can’t remember

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Applewhite posted:

Wasn’t there a woman who imprinted on him and became his perfect mate but she was in an arranged marriage?
Picard encourages her to be herself rather than forming herself into what he wants, so it doesn’t have the same mega creepy vibe as the other romances. Kinda counts though

Eighties ZomCom posted:

Does his wife from The Inner Light count?
Thought about this but she was real, right? Just not in his lifetime.

Ghostlight posted:

the ideals of the federation
posted from Ferenginar

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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In TOS they encounter Q-like beings often. The ending isn’t always “this god-like being doesn’t have any real powers now that we’ve seen past his tricks,” there are ones where they have to convince the being to let them go. So the Q aren’t that special imo

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Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




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Kind of can’t believe they got away with the DS9 episode which gives a tutorial on how to form a union and go on strike at your workplace

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