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basic hitler posted:There's no way STD is good. You can watch it now? I refuse to believe it's good. It's bad. Especially the theme song but especially everything about the Klingons.
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appropriatemetaphor posted:no it's fine, it's just a modern-style intro so goons hate it. No actually it's not fine it's lame and pretentious.
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Oct 1, 2017 11:26
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Baronjutter posted:If I want gritty space stuff I'll watch The Expanse, if I want star trek I'll watch Orville. STD has no place in my heart.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:23
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I agree I found the continued dark tone and pointless violence off-putting. I'm still intrigued to see where the story goes, but when all the stabbing and torture happened in the mirror universe, it seemed so similar to stuff we've already been shown in their regular universe so it was a little depressing. TOS would have done a completely unabashed takedown of Trump I'm sure of it. Bring back Sci Fi as counterculture.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:25
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Foreskin Problems posted:I like the show and have no idea what the heck has you all riled up about it! I'll admit that Discovery is a decent sci fi show, but it's a terrible installment of the Star Trek canon.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:38
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The core concept of Star Trek is essentially supposed to be optimistic. A "dark and gritty" vision of the future where everyone in the federation is a corrupt rear end in a top hat is anathema to the founding principles of Trek, IMO.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:39
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Foreskin Problems posted:The Star Trek canon also includes rape gangs, what's your point? It's pretty bad all around, just enjoy the dumb TV show. That was in an abandoned colony that had fallen into barbarism outside the Federation. The Federation itself is supposed to embody humanity's spiritual potential to overcome the selfishness and shortsightedness that held us back.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:42
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It's not real Trek unless Majel Barrett is the voice of the computer, I'm sorry.
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Jan 9, 2018 03:11
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Arcsquad12 posted:TNG version. Man now I really want to watch this episode.
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Jan 9, 2018 06:28
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:no they jumped to the mirror universe, from the prime universe. I'm still holding out hope that they jumped from a third, crappy, edgy universe into the mirror universe and will jump out into the "prime" universe where all the sets are in technicolor.
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Jan 14, 2018 08:45
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I had literally nothing better to do the other night and ended up watching YouTube videos where nerds theorize at length about where the different enterprise designs fit into continuity (the latest incarnation bein the Disovery Enterprise with the glowy nacelles). They’re going on and on listing dates and episode numbers and when and why the Enterprise may have had a refit and I’m just like... why? When you’re watching a production of a Shakespeare play, you don’t spend time wondering and theorizing why Hamlet wears a blue outfit in one production but a red outfit in a different one, or why the props are different. Why is it so difficult to accept that the show is an impermanent portrayal of a story that exists independently of the actors and props used to tell it? When I’m watching Discovery I accept the Klingons look completely different from how the look in TOS and TNG and I neither require nor desire an explanation for how they bridge the gap. Same with the Enterprise.
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May 20, 2018 07:06
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Because the franchise itself goes out of its way to state firmly it is in a continuous universe. Even the movies make it drat-clear they are a tangent universe. Yeah I was pretty disappointed they caved in to that TBH. I would have accepted a new enterprise and all new actors without question just as easily as I accept a new Batman and Batmobile every time they change directors.
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May 20, 2018 07:37
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Kitchner posted:I mean if Shakespeare, or someone claiming to continue his great works, wrote Hamlet 2: The Quest for Hamlet and it was revealed Hamlet had a son with one of the witches from the first act and he could speak to ghosts and the ghost of his dad told him that he never murdered anyone but it was actually all a plot from the Earl of Warwick and then play demonstrated this to be true be retconning a bunch of stuff that happened in Hamlet I think people would have discussed that too. Yeah but there’s a difference between story continuity (which I care a lot about) and prop/set/costume continuity which I think only matters within a certain incarnation. As far as I’m concerned with DSC, for instance, Klingons always looked and always will look like weird gross Geiger knockoffs. I don’t really need the show to explain how they morph into the TOS version or morphed from the ENT version for that matter. They’re “klingons” and that’s the Klingon costume for this company’s production of Star Trek just like each Shakespeare troupe has a different costume and makeup for Richard III.
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May 20, 2018 13:18
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VictorianQueerLit posted:Is it really such an alien concept that people spend their idle time discussing unimportant bullshit Lt Commander AppleData? Curious. So what you’re saying is an obsession with the trivial details of a science fiction series... is an important part of the human experience?
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May 20, 2018 14:12
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Kitchner posted:Dunno really, at what point does prop/set/costume continuity cross over into story continuity? Does it though? Any more than the Leonardo DeCaprio version of Romeo and Juliet set in the modern era raises questions?
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May 20, 2018 17:13
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Shakespeare companies have done weird and anachronistic design choices for their plays forever. It's an accepted thing with classical theatre (and all kinds of theatre) that you're allowed to transplant the text into whatever setting/aesthetic you want and still tell the same story. I guess that's why I give Star Trek such a pass when it comes to redesigns; it's historically felt like more of a filmed play than a work of cinema with a singular design language. Yeah, exactly. I’m perfectly okay with the 09 Enterprise looking more high tech and sleek than the 60’s one and I think their clumsy attempts to link the “prime” continuity with what could have easily been a reboot significantly weakened the film. It’s as dumb as having Michael Keaton Batman travel back through time to kill Christian Bale Batman’s parents to explain the darker timeline. Or for the original Galactica to get zapped back in time to cause the events of the Cylon war. By the time the first Abrams movie came out the public was well acquainted with the concept of a “reboot” and should have been able to grasp that this was a new spin on an old show that paid homage to the original while going in its own direction.
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Powered Descent posted:
That is not only terrible in the context of a take on the Enterprise, but also a terrible starship in general. It may in fact be the worst starship I’ve ever seen. What in the ever loving gently caress. This was probably what killed the show.
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May 21, 2018 00:24
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That being said now I would really like to see a cgi “Clone Wars” type Star Trek series that’s more fun, lighthearted and optimistic than DSC.
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May 21, 2018 00:26
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Double Agent posted:Make It Swole
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May 21, 2018 04:20
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nature6pk posted:Did they ever explain why travelling at warp speeds doesn't incurr time dilation wrt General Relativity? Because when a ship is traveling at warp it incurs no momenum. Relative to its local spacetime it is stationary.
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May 21, 2018 06:12
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VictorianQueerLit posted:*Riker ignores advice of his officers, gets outsmarted by Pakleds, ignores the advice of his officers again, and nearly loses his engineer in a hostage situation* One of the most egregious episodes for me with this was "Where Silence Has Lease" (the origin of this clip:)  An evil space face straight up kills this dude in a horrible way, but at the end of the episode Picard is waxing all philosophical about the encounter. "I guess in the end we both shared something in common: curiosity." *smiles wistfully* And I'm like "excuse me? A man is dead! You have to write a letter to his family explaining he was killed in the line of duty by an evil face! You have to hold a memorial service! Why the gently caress are you in such a good mood?"
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May 27, 2018 05:56
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To boldly come where no one has come before.
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May 28, 2018 14:05
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Just finished watching the DS9 season 2 episode Paradise where the woman is running a luddite cult and puts Sisko in a sweatbox. I am very dissatisfied with the ending. Could we have at least see the cult leader get that smug smile wiped off her face? I'm not asking for her to be lynched by her own angry people (though that would have been nice) but having her teleport off the planet looking so smug made me really mad.
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Jul 25, 2018 10:46
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Neddy Seagoon posted:That's because she went out adamantly thinking she was right just because the colonists were mostly happy with their simple farming lives. You can't break that kind of crazy. I dunno; if I'd been one of the colonists I'd have been like "put her in the box!" Like, I had a family and a life back in the Federation and I had to give it up to labor in a field? She can kiss my loving rear end. My friends are dead and people I care about have thought I was dead for the past ten years. I want to send them a letter and take a bath.
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Jul 25, 2018 10:53
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:You're not thinking of this comic, are you? In a similar vein: 
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I just took it as read that if they'd worked it out on their own rather than a couple of Starfleet officers figuring it out and arresting her (with the general group satisfied that Justice Is Done) then she'd have had her head literally mounted on a pike. Still though. I'm also skeptical that literally no-one would want to go back to the Federation. And speaking of the Federation, I find it difficult to believe that anyone on the crew would go along with her torture box idea as a punishment considering Federation social theories have supposedly evolved beyond corporal punishment and imprisonment as a means of social regulation.
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Jul 25, 2018 11:01
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MC Hawking posted:I am conceptually OK with G'kar and Garrack getting drunk together. You Sinclair fans are nuts. His voice is the only thing that’s good. His acting is wooden as poo poo. Sheridan is mich better.
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Jul 26, 2018 06:06
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I've been watching DS9 for the first time. I have to say the fourth and fifth seasons are very strong. Not quite Babylon 5 level strong but lately they've been hitting us with one really good and thought-provoking episode after another. One thing that frustrates me continually, however, is the depiction of land warfare in the series. Over and over again we're presented with shots of men in pajamas advancing without cover across empty quarries firing phasers into each-others' faces like 18th-century musketmen. I understand the limitations of budget and special effects technology but the writers seriously couldn't come up with anything more creative than a paintball scuffle with rayguns?
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Sep 27, 2018 14:49
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Pick posted:That's to appease the dumb fans. We wouldn't even fight a war for genuine survival that way, like, now Or even for nearly fifty years before this series was filmed.
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Sep 27, 2018 15:23
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Also my wife it tired of me shouting “the Federation is a post-scarcity economy!” at the screen every time the characters run into money troubles. I get it when the Ferengi do it because that’s their whole shtick, but Jake Sisko and other federation characters frequently seem preoccupied with matters of petty materialism. Speaking of the Ferengi, why the hell is there not a single corporation or brand logo ever even mentioned in a society of unfettered capitalists? The Grand Nagus doesn’t even seem to be the CEO or major stockholder of any companies, he’s more like a mafia don or the head of a renaissance-era merchant guild. It bugs the hell out of me.
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Sep 27, 2018 15:38
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Marauder Mo is a long-running beloved franchise. And there's a few mentions of Ferengi products like a cola brand that is proudly slimier than the competing brands. Quark tries to leverage his own bar's brand as well, though the Federation doesn't take kindly to his attempts at advertising. I was really happy when they introduced Marauder Mo because I was like “finally!” Haven’t gotten to the Sluggo-Cola episode yet that I know of, but I guess in this day and age where brands aggressively pursue and try to interact with customers on a personal level and no article of clothing is complete without a product endorsement, the Ferengi’s goblin-like pursuit of lucrative trades seems kinda tame.
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Sep 27, 2018 15:57
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Pick posted:it feels like a v "applewhite"episode There’s furry tits in it?
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Sep 27, 2018 16:01
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Pick posted:well theres tits I’ll take it. Looks like it’s still a ways away tho. We only just finished the episode where Alexander came back a few minutes ago. Worf is a terrible father.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:04
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In the middle of Behind the Lines right now. I can't believe they sent Rom in to reconfigure the deflector without coming up with a contingency in case Odo did not successfully disable the alarms. Instead of running, he should have just remained at the panel and told security he set the alarm off by accident. Maintenance sets off alarms all the time to the point of nuisance.
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Sep 28, 2018 05:17
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Man the Federation really went all in on the Excelsior class.
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Sep 28, 2018 05:58
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I think it would have been cool if Star Trek explained that the Mirror Universe didn't exist except when someone from the Prime timeline was observing it. Otherwise it makes no sense that in a universe so drastically different from ours in terms of interpersonal relationships and untimely deaths that literally all the same people met and had sex over the course of the alternate history.
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Sep 28, 2018 07:37
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Pick posted:applewhite draw quark with a breast  Wherein I reveal my shameful incapacity for caricature.
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Sep 28, 2018 07:59
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Pick posted:oh nooooo I need to go home and get some dinner because this looks delicious, and I would pay an unreasonable amount of money for it *in extremely Quark voice* How unreasonable?
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Sep 29, 2018 01:11
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The gang-rape planet's continued existence was never properly excused by the series lore, IMO. They are a Federation planet so the Prime Directive should be no obstruction and if the Prime Directive does forbid helping Federation worlds that are falling into barbarism then there's really no benefit to being a member of the Federation.
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Just started the DS9 episode "Time's Orphan" and even before seeing the title I am having a lot of anxiety that they open the episode with Molly being cute. My first thought was "Oh God what horrible thing is going to happen to O'Brian's daughter? O_o"
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