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Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


My ranking so far (Binging through the entire series while high on weed, I’m midway through ENT): TNG = DS9 > VOY > ENT > TOS

Still gotta watch DSC and TAS (lmbo)

ENT is OK really but I see what y’all mean when you say 9/11 broke their brains. Does it get better in this regard?
(Also Voyager is boring but decent and Janeway owns bones gently caress the haters)

EDIT: Doctor ratings: The Doctor > Phlox > Bev = Bashir > Bones

Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 17:02 on May 28, 2018

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Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Just watched the finale of s2 and 1st ep of s3 of Enterprise and holy hell it has turned into NCIS: Enterprise or something

Is it just a phase?

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Archer puts a dude in the airlock and starts venting the oxygen out to extract information from him
No one bats a single eye
Archer is not (so far) court martialed

And in one episode my rating of ENT collapses and it is now below TOS. Will there be a dumb explanation like "oh but the Delphic Expanse is making them insane" or is it just that torture is cool and good in tyool 2153

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005



Betajorans

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


SuddenCactus posted:

I'd like a Trek show that's set on a ship that isn't the recognisable Trek ship shape.

Like give me a show with that medical ship that has a giant orb instead of the disc, or a ship with 3 nacelles in a Y config.

How bout this: I’ll direct you to a Star Trek show that takes place on a space station of alien design.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Today my department manager asked me about the mysterious picture of a woman that I have taped to my window, facing outwards. I explained that it is Lwaxana Troi, a diplomat from the planet Betazed, from Star Trek. He then told me that he actually was watching some Star Trek these days, but only Enterprise, and that he really liked the Vulcan first officer.

He’s leaving the department soonish but alas, I’m unable to find a suitable signed poster of Jolene Blalock on eBay to gift him, as they’re entirely too porny.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


trying to picture jeff goldblum as a cardassian villain and failing

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


i dunno, this episode was a bit too would you save baby hitler in order to prevent the events of red alert for my tastes

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


who watches the watchers is prolly the best star trek episode ever

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


huge missed opportunity making it a boys band and not the origin story of klingon opera

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


GolfHole posted:

quarks barn



beefy rom

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


I wondered why Nog didn't grow up during the seven seasons of the show. Turns out Aron Eisenberg was 23 when DS9 first came out? I thought he was just a gifted child actor!

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Big rear end On Fire posted:

Disco comes across as YA sci fi to me. The dialog, unconfident and teen-issue laden characters, thin plots all look like it. Then there's the body torture and gore stuff which doesn't add up so who knows.

Body torture and gore stuff is a cornerstone of YA sci fi. Haven't you read Animorphs as a teenager?

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


I've been showing DS9 to my partner-it's her first time watching it. We've finally gotten to the last dozen or so episodes of season 7 and man, her dislike of Gul Dukat is palpable. "I can't even look at him any more, he's a villain! He's so slimy, I hate him!" Yep, he really is. I enjoy her reactions so much. "That's not very Starfleet..." has become a catchphrase of ours, generally when Sisko threatens a Ferengi or goes on a religious fugue or something like that.

OTOH she didn't find the baseball episode to be very good :(

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Powered Descent posted:

Louise Fletcher was an amazing actor with an almost supernatural ability to make viewers despise her onscreen. (In real life, she couldn't be more different -- the people she worked with had a tendency to gush about how friendly and considerate she always was.)

She's really amazing. In 7x18, 'Til Death do us Part, despite the fact that Kai Winn has proven herself to be a despicable character, Fletcher makes her eminently pitiable as she is manipulated by the Pagh Wraiths and Dukat. And then, in 7x19, the whiplash: she learns that her visions came from the Pagh Wraiths, she runs to Kira for advice, and there's this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJQqCQjfO2U

"Step down? I don't understand. Why would I do that?" It's so sincere, in just a few seconds you go back to feeling nothing but contempt for her.

(Although the scene shows a great manipulative side to Kira as well, look at that poo poo-eating grin as she tells Winn that stepping down is the right thing to do.)

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


The Vidiians stole Neelix's lungs.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


doesn't look alive enough

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Bonzo posted:

I want to know what a half Kilngon, half Vulcan Pon Farr would be like.

makes you bite the cheek of tom paris, check out voyager season 3 episode 16

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


So tomorrow's the night my wife and I watch Threshold. It will be her first time ever seeing it. Looking forward to it!

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


tuvix should have lived

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


God drat does the tonal shift between seasons 2 and 3 of Enterprise hit hard. The big bumbling wellmeaning oaf and his southern sidekick go on all sorts of wondrous and thought-provoking adventures, then boom 9/11 happens and now they're all "I don't care about T'Pol's human rights claptrap, now I'm putting you in the airlock and suffocating you". hosed up imo.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


redshirt posted:

Pretty accurate description of America at the time.

Maybe. Does that also excuse the theme song remix?

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


sweet geek swag posted:

Archer went from being a bad captain because he was a nepo baby to being a bad captain for entirely new reasons.

I like Archer. Mostly chill dude, just wants to watch water-polo reruns on the TV, crack a cold one and give Porthos a couple of belly scratches. So what he's not Janeway-level competent and he let the dog pee on the sacred tree, who cares? Eventually he's willing to do the grunt-while-chainsawing-the-tree ritual so everything's fine. By season 2 he's got the gist of his job and he's okay at it.

I can't get over Trip, though. "Hi, welcome to the Tucker family. I'm Trip and here are my brothers Skab, Chitlins and Glop and my sister Bunt." No thank you.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Kes tried communicating telepathically with plants and burned them to a crisp, burger theory confirmed.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Yeah well I don't know if it's because I'm desperately linear but I watched the DS9 finale a few weeks ago and I was pretty disappointed at how the pacing is all over the place. Sisko and his alliance's expedition starts more or less at the same time as Winn and Dukat's trip to the Fire caves, but the former lasts several days while the latter feels like it should last a few hours at most. Winn has barely had time to finish her chanting or whatever it is she's doing before Sisko arrives. It's weird as hell.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Yeah, I'm up to season 4 of my own Enterprise rewatch* and while there is some stuff that sucks big time about it such as the early season 3 perpetual anger and the outright shocking episode Damage (the one where they embrace piracy), there is some genuinely good stuff in there. There are entertaining individual episodes of course (Shuttlepod One is good, yeah, so are Carbon Creek or Observer Effect or the one where Trip gets all embarrassed about Phlox's wife hitting on him). But I also find that I like their early candid vibe, they're off to discover strange new worlds despite the naysayers and they make a bunch of friends in the process.

I still prefer Voyager over it I think, because Voyager's just timeless. But it's an at least okay show.


*okay so it's not a rewatch per se, it's just that it's in the background while I'm at work or playing vidya games but same difference

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


naem posted:

I bet his holodeck stuff was tame but like, really cringe

like if you want a holo-orgy about your coworkers that’s fine everyone does some of that

but when it looks like a pg rated romance novel cover that’s when people complain

Yeah right. Like a session that starts with the goddess of empathy telling you to cast off your inhibitions and embrace love, truth and joy isn't 100% supposed to end in deviant sex.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Start with season 7 episode 14 of TNG, op, it's a beloved episode called Sub Rosa

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Hollismason posted:

What's the best line in Star Trek because I still chuckle at Odo in DS9 saying " Everythings under control. End Log".

"You became sexually aroused in my body!"

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


museum grade action figures, goddamn *whistles appreciatively*

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


"Ah, no, sorry, I am not the Anson Mount, the Anson Mount is my son. No, that's not him either, that is my son, Anson."

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


First Witch: Hail, Anson Adams Mount!
Second Witch: Anson Adams Mount, hail!
Third Witch: Whose name will be glorious!
First Witch: Whose child will bring glory to his name!
Third Witch: But!

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Speaking of music, I occasionally listen to older TNG and even DS9 episodes while working and it's shocking how much richer the soundtrack is on earlier seasons. It's not just a musical cue here or there, or an ambient mood that occasionally swells for dramatic effect. There's a full-blown orchestra on the drat ship and it does great work. It's such a shame that they cut back on these things.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Just found out that Jill Jacobson, the actress who played the role of the ditzy woman who plays blackjack alongside Data in TNG season 2 episode 12 "The Royale", and who kinda looks like Nana Visitor if you squint, passed away last december.

RIP to a real one.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Facebook Aunt posted:

I bet it's really hard to be a rebellious teen in the Federation. What possible fashion choices could be worse than what everyone else wears? You get into klingon opera, the most offensive music you can find, and your parents are pleased that you are exploring other cultures. Seriously, what are you going to do? Start wearing puffy romulan jackets?

The EMH's holographic son (v.2) is a pretty good example.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


For the past few months I've been going through Ds9, Voyager and now Enterprise with my partner—it's a (third) rewatch for me, but she's seeing them for the first time. I gotta disagree with most criticism of Enterprise ITT.

Yeah, Archer's a nepo baby and an oaf, but I can't really blame him for his unpreparedness and cluelessness. It's the whole point of the show! The Vulcans have been telling the humans that they're not ready, and the show demonstrates how they face that fact and eventually start to overcome their preconceptions. Even the fact that many episodes are recylcled scripts from earlier series is fine, because as my partner puts it, "maybe they are, but in universe it's the first time the humans are confronted with poo poo like this and seeing them struggle with it without established procedures makes it interesting."

Scott Bakula is great, but mostly because he's got great facial expressions and conveys both amusement and exasperation very well. He hams it up decently enough, which is the only thing I expect from a Starfleet captain.

Hard disagree on the "the crew has very little rapport with each other" line too. The gradual buildup of trust between T'Pol and Archer is great. The light ribbing between Archer, Trip and T'Pol, starting mid-season 1, is classic Kirk-Bones-Spock interaction. Phlox is a great big brother to the whole crew. There's decent enough camaraderie between Reed and the other bridge crew. Hoshi and Mayweather are outsiders, to a certain extent, but no more than Uhura or Sulu IMO, or even Troi (whose only significant relationship is with Riker). I don't know where people are coming from when they say that it feels like they all dislike each other, apart from early season 1 and the initial distrust they show towards T'Pol.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Rubber Chicken posted:

During season SEVEN yeah


List of things Paramount robbed us of when the canceled Enterprise:
- Trip has to handle T'Pol undergoing (natural) pon farr
- Hoshi and Cutler (recast, RIP Kellie Waymire) chit-chat about Denobulan physiology
- Porthos gets frisky with an Alfa 177 canine
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Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


It's got Jeffrey Combs in it, that makes it a good episode.

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Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005


Your mistake was to ask a question about verisimilitude in a Star Trek episode. Of course some stuff is going to make no sense at all if you think about it for a moment, but you gotta watch the show with at least a couple of sections of your brain turned off. Otherwise you'll start asking questions like "why the hell would they let Neelix on board" or "where does Porthos go to pee when there's no sacred alien tree nearby" or "why exactly did McCoy consent to be implanted with a mind-control chip on a backwards-rear end theocratic generation ship" (I mean, I know it's because he's a horny old man, but still, Starfleet principles and all that)

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