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Admiralty Flag posted:It makes me wonder, what would have happened if Crosby had not said, "I'm out!" and left the show, and the rumors were true that Sirtis would have gotten the axe instead. Or maybe Worf becomes the ship's counselor? Pretty sure he'd be able to cure Barclay in a single session.
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Main cast singing proficiency ranking: Sisko The Doctor Uhura (TOS) Kira Uhura (SNW) The rest of the SNW crew Data Spock Seven O'Brien and Bashir (tied) Worf Honorable mention: Odo on the piano
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Worf would be a good person to sit next to on a plane, on account of his smelling like lilac. He'd probably make the baby on the other side of the aisle cry, though. Lwaxana would be a menace.
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Cyrano Jones sits down, pops out a tribble, turns out they're huge fans of airline peanuts. Plane is lost three hours into the flight.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:Accidentally just sit on Jake because I think he's a seat cover
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My partner just watched the first episode of Enterprise season 3 with me tonight. She was distressed by the change made to the main theme, poor thing. But somehow there's something that irked her even more, a recurring problem with the show: these people never finish their food! They sit down in the mess with their plate full and exchange a few lines, then they just stand up and leave, taking their untouched food with them. Every single time, and once you notice it, it's even more egregious than Voyager's "some kind of" thing.
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Space Jam posted:*Shran-ishly* Impossible I can hear it so well. titties posted:I know you all hate the ENT theme but i loved it ... until THE CHANGE. THE CHANGE was insanely bad. Thinking about THE CHANGE made me want to watch In a Mirror, Darkly just for the alternate theme. I laughed out loud when I noticed that, in the intro, amidst all these images of war and violence, they reused a scene from season 3 episode 1, the one where the MACOs rappel down in the mine to shoot at the bad guys. Subtle dig at the post-9/11 mentality of season 3?
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alexandriao posted:Everyone talks about if tng had bathrooms but what about TOS??? what does the tos shitter look like Deffo turkish style shitter, just a hole in the ground with porcelain slabs for the feet. Small showerhead for butthole cleaning purposes. Starfleet applies the scientific method and has therefore chosen the most hygienic toilet form. Edit: looks suitably retro, too
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CainFortea posted:ENT S3 had some cool bits, and even some good trek in the middle of the 9/11 HARD MEN HARD CHOICES season. I was dreading that my rewatch of Enterprise S3 would be really painful, mostly because I remembered that it was full of those icky HARD MEN HARD CHOICES bits as you say. But as you say there's some classic Trek in there: - Beauty and the Beast starring Hoshi Sato - Flash forward 12 years and humanity is almost extinct, how can we rewind this catastrophe? - Cowboys and spittoons - Let's grow a clone of Trip! - Religious zealots hijack the Enterprise to murder the heretics that believe the same thing they do—oh no, they've destroyed their own planet! I'm still curious to see my partner's reaction to Archer going space pirate in a few episodes, the most shocking Star Trek episode out of the entire IP IMO, but in retrospect I think it's shocking precisely because the show wasn't that far gone into post-9/11 mentality. There had been the "Not all Xindi are bloodthirsty monsters, some of them are quite agreeable actually" episode, the "let's not gratuitously blow up the Xindi incubator ship" episode, the "Listen Degra, we can be buddies" episode. ENT season 3 is weird, but it redeems itself. I think that my main beef with the Xindi/Spheres arc is that taken in its entirety, it does not carry a moral. It's action-focused, far more than the rest of Classic Trek.
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Proving Ground (season 3 episode 13) is maybe not the best Enterprise episode, but it's hilarious and hasn't been mentioned yet. 
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Croccers posted:I have started to watch TNG at the behest? Request? Of one of my buddies. Many people have said this already, but if you hold on through season 1, the show eventually gets Good. Please, please, keep us updated about your progress. When you encounter an episode that you find really good (or really bad), when you have Thoughts about a character, please tell us about it so we can vicariously live through you the experience of watching TNG for the first time. Do you already have an opinion on some of the characters?
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Croccers posted:The biggest opinions atm are: STAR TREK: Wesley is a dweeb and needs to be stuffed into a locker. please mods please
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Croccers posted:Thoughs on the season so far: Someone ITT once called Star Trek (from the Original Series up to Enterprise) a military procedural show, which I find quite apt. It is TV, with little continuity (with a couple of exceptions), just... with a unique twist in that it's in the future, featuring people that have their poo poo together in a society that has got its poo poo together. Is the procedural aspect what makes you call it directionless? Or do you mean within the episodes themselves? Because that does get way better. Edit: "bitchy mother" will be back several times, and with a vengeance. Lwaxana owns. Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jun 6, 2025 |
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thotsky posted:Maddox skipping past Data's record serves the function of diminishing his accomplisments. Picard acknowledges Maddox's. It can't be a jab if he admits exactly what reading it in full would establish. Also, it makes no narrative sense for Picard to lower himself to Maddox's level; it would hurt his position of moral superiority. Picard is annoyed and upset about the proceedings, he's not talking smack. Picard's being catty and a huge bitch, but that's okay, it's warranted.
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Watch Lower Decks if you are receptive to that kind of loud, sometimes self-referential humor.
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Maybe TNG-era Starfleet actually despises religion and doesn't tolerate it in its staff? When he doesn't need to play pretend, Picard is extremely dismissive of it and of "god-concepts".
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I'm a bit worried about our new Star Trek newbie friend Croccers. They finished TNG season 1 but haven't reported since. Do y'all reckon that it was the first episode of season 2 (The Child, the one where Troi, well, you know what happens to Troi in The Child) that did them in?
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Star Trek technobabble is often ridiculous and nonsensical, but you know what's worse? Mediocrely dubbed Star Trek technobabble. "Oh no! We can't reach the team on the surface because there's a dampening field." Well, the fellow in charge of translating that line into French misunderstood the word "dampening" to mean "humidifying". Sigh.
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Data's pretty serious about no nut november
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Cthulu Carl posted:The ranks for the command staff of DS9 all started a rank or two more junior than their shipboard counterparts - Sisko is a Commander, Kira is a major, Jadzia and Bashir are lieutenants. Final episode of season 3. And the after the opening credits he's like "Jake wants me to start this with something profound, but let's be real, there's nothing cooler than: 'Captain's log, stardate...'".
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Dabir posted:But like... There's so much else out there that you don't have to grudgingly give a second chance. I watched Move Along Home yesterday. On purpose. And actually, it's good Star Trek. Move Along Home is good.
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I prefer seasons 1 and 2, recycled plots and all. It's endearing to see the crew bumble their way through basic problems. Baaah, who cares about proper protocols, let's just land for a bit of fresh air. I'm excited for tonight, my partner will be seeing In a Mirror, Darkly for the first time. She dislikes the mirror universe, but mostly because it overstayed its welcome in DS9. I wonder what she'll make of Sadistic Phlox and Devious Hoshi.
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Man, I was thoroughly unimpressed by the Trelane episode from SNW season 3. Similar progression and similar resolution as the TOS episode. The slight incoherence of having Spock face Trelane in SNW. It's goofy all right, with a few funny lines (sorry, Chapel's love interest, but Spock's right, it was probably not your massive intellect that protected you from Trelane's mind powers), but not very interesting. What struck me the most about SNW though was that when I started season 3 episode 1, I had no real recollection of the season 2 finale. I had to rewatch it and as an action two-parter it mostly bored me. The solution to the Gorn invasion was elegant, but the episode is no Best of Both Worlds. I'll be watching the rest of season 3 of course, but I'm starting to classify SNW as Okay Trek rather than Good Trek.
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So far I am unimpressed by SNW season 3. There is a lack of substance. I would enjoy a couple of episodes with more than callbacks, technical issues, battle and soap opera. Principles. Iunno.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:dod people back in the usenet days go on and on about how lame this new star trek the new generation show is and how it was poorly written and dumb compared to the original? like what's this, some stupid albino ghost man and this feelings chick from the robert ginty movie? on MY enterprise? let us not compare tng and snw there is still a world between the two i'm just saying that we're overdue for a virtuous display of moral principles from snw. not necessarily an equivalent to Measure of a Man or a Who Watches the Watchers, but something. principles are not just the (distant) setting for the show. i want to see them in the plot!
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HD DAD posted:Here, actual discussion from 1992 regarding the state of season 5. I do not know these people, I discover their writings thirty-three years after the fact, and yet I know we're bitter enemies. We have a thing in common however: we are still watching the show. Edit wait is that dude dissing Disaster of all episodes? Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Aug 2, 2025 |
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I remember I fell asleep in front of the DS9 pilot the first time I tried to watch it.
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Now that we've finished the first two seasons (+S03E01) of SNW, I'm finally showing TOS to my partner. Everything is different, the change of pace is jarring (but in a good way), the music is much more present, the camera work focuses much more on the characters, the banter is more subtle. The fifty-plus-year-old TV show holds up pretty well, drat. Thinking about the buffalo.
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MikeJF posted:That inevitably ends up being written with the Federation being morally wrong a lot in dumb ways all of a sudden. Star Trek canon already establishes a couple of Federation cultural taboos that actually make little moral sense. The main one is their outright ban on augments, which is (as far as we know) only due to a centuries-old human experience with the technology. The issue is not resolved as of DS9, which would give Star Trek writers an opportunity to explore the issue in a post-LDS or post-PRO setting. And it is eminently solvable, too. Take a society that routinely practices augmentation, maybe the Illyrians, maybe some newly-discovered culture. They apply for Federation membership and when they are rejected, they decide to prove the Federation wrong by boldly going with their own ship. The Federation is wary, they know that this could go wrong in any number of ways, so they relent a bit and they detach a couple of Starfleet personnel (maybe including an augment like Bashir or Dal? Someone who is vocal enough to advocate for the aliens) to accompany the crew and report on them. Turns out that augments are actually Federation-compatible, because the Federation is about principles, not about what genes you have. Bing bong, you have a show that tackles intercultural conflict, unwarranted moral superiority, discrimination, what have you. You have a clear end-point for the show (the repeal of anti-augment laws and the integration of a new species into the Federation). And it's on an alien ship with an alien captain.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i'm perfectly fine with the feds disallowing genetic experimentation on children. what's the purpose of it? to make someone smarter, stronger? why is it important to be those things? Ah, but that's it, isn't it? There's the question of consent, and of the purpose of genetic engineering. Neither Bashir nor Dal nor Una had any say in their augmentation, which can be seen as immoral*, and confrontation with a society that is aware of this and does not augment people without a purpose and their consent could very well be the way through which the Federation learns to let go of its hangup on the matter. *But is it? That's a question in itself.
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Alexander: "Dad! Dad! Let's have some fun together on the holodeck!" Worf: "I don't know, son, I have a lot of work." Alexander: "Can't you ask the captain if he won't let you?" Worf: "We shall see." Later... Worf: "Captain, I have ideas for superfluous work I'd like to do." Picard: "Mr. Worf, I don't like children myself, but your transparent attempts to shirk your parental duties are frankly pathetic."
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It's a dildo/candelabra.
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Outpost22 posted:Oh wow, DS9 is hosting the first delegation from the gamma quadrant. Neat! 
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29 hours and they still haven't come back to report, I'm worried about Outpost22, could they be stuck on the third chap?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:there's not that many time travel incidents in TOS and usually Kirk didn't even want to be in the past Dulmur: His ship! Lucsly: James T. Kirk. Sisko: The one and only! Lucsly: Seventeen separate temporal violations; the biggest file on record. Dulmur: The man was a menace.
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Tell me that this quote is from the Department of Temporal Investigations series of
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MikeJF posted:It was probably very obvious in the SNW version and then they spent 80 years working on it. That's one of my issues with the episode. This is emergent technology, we're testing it, oh wow it's crisp and detailed and beautiful and well lit and the characters are true to life and there's even a recreation of Spock, a character that was never programmed into the computer. No. It should have been janky, low-res, perhaps llm-like in its interactions with the cast (now that could have been social commentary). Make the threat come from the technology being extremely unreliable in basic ways: try to grab a thing and oops it's just not there, hand goes through it and hits something else. Go down the stairs and the forcefields are not exactly aligned on the image. Ride a bike and smack into the holodeck wall. Instead, the writers were all "Hmm, we want an episode with a murder mystery gimmick, how can we do that? Oh, I know, the holodeck! Whaddya mean it's not invented yet?" I'm not deeply attached to canon, but it was just lazy. Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Aug 21, 2025 |
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Oh and like most of you I just love love love Remember Me, it's one of my favorite episodes. Big fan of Clues, too: Data's commitment to the bit, the crew's increasing doubts about everything, it's a great mystery.
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SonOfGhostDad posted:That we saw, sure, but the alien lady said that the technology is not uncommon among the galaxy, so it's not difficult to suppose that when the Federation becomes a thing, they just ask for it. The Vulcans stonewalled the Humans for another two centuries on holodeck tech because "You're not ready for unlimited boning technology." And TNG shows this to be true because even in their era of superhuman stolidness and self-control they have Barclays and La Forges.
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