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EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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That Italian Guy posted:

Tried Supersampling 2.0 on low impact apps (Virtual Desktop and Oculus Home) with a GTX 970 and I had about 90% free overhead still; yet, I had a couple of weird crashes on Virtual Desktop (both Oculus and external monitor went dark, external monitor showing "No Signal") that required a restart to fix.

With SS set to 2.0 I could see some visual improvements, but nothing as major as I expected (IE: my external monitor is still vastly more sharp and clear); I assume that's expected?

I'm a bit afraid of visual glitches, but I'll try SS 1.3 on RoboRecall and see if I can spot any difference.

You can go to the lobby and mess with SS without a worry. The major improvements will be visible up close and in the far distance when you actually can tell a person from a bush (something like stand out).

I wasnít blown away or sold on SS until I started playing more shooting games with 100+ meter shots.

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On Terra Firma
Feb 12, 2008



Ever since I installed FO4 Steam VR thinks it needs to blink as if it's changing resolution on my desktop every time it starts and stops. Any way to keep that from happening? Didn't do it before today.

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012


I didn't feel any nausea at all while playing, but I did after I took off the headset for some reason.

Stick100
Mar 18, 2003


On Terra Firma posted:

Ever since I installed FO4 Steam VR thinks it needs to blink as if it's changing resolution on my desktop every time it starts and stops. Any way to keep that from happening? Didn't do it before today.

One of my 2 monitors has done that for months now, I don't know what started it.

Manky
Mar 20, 2007

love hardest when it is hardest to love



Grimey Drawer

On Terra Firma posted:

Ever since I installed FO4 Steam VR thinks it needs to blink as if it's changing resolution on my desktop every time it starts and stops. Any way to keep that from happening? Didn't do it before today.

Did you opt in to the FO4 beta? Supposed to fix some desktop resolution stuff

rio
Mar 20, 2008



Can someone explain how desktop resolution affects your headset resolution? I have read that before but donít get it. Since most people are probably using a 1080p monitor will that on your desktop give you good results on a Rift?

FormatAmerica
Jun 3, 2005


Grimey Drawer

rio posted:

Can someone explain how desktop resolution affects your headset resolution? I have read that before but donít get it. Since most people are probably using a 1080p monitor will that on your desktop give you good results on a Rift?

It shouldn't but if you're bad at making games like Bethesda and most junior indie devs it might.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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FormatAmerica posted:

It shouldn't but if you're bad at making games like Bethesda and most junior indie devs it might.

Basically this.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

One thing to keep in mind is most VR games so far (even ports) are using engines like Unity that already have baked in VR support. Doom and Fallout aren't, which is one reason they're much more likely to have weird and unexpected issues.

Also, well, Bethesda and bugs.

Hungry Computer
Nov 12, 2008



College Slice

I wonder if Croteam would have been willing/able to contract themselves out to Bethesda for VR Ports. The Serious Sam VR ports were really well done.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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Hungry Computer posted:

I wonder if Croteam would have been willing/able to contract themselves out to Bethesda for VR Ports. The Serious Sam VR ports were really well done.

Dead Effect 2 VR is a better port than any of the Bethesda games so far and thats pathetic. Almost any other VR dev team would have put out a better port to be honest.

Like 100% I felt better shooting, walking, exploring in that game than any time I was in Fallout 4 so far. And this is beyond the awful control poo poo. Just in general, the feeling of the game itself.

IronicDongz
Aug 18, 2013

I tried to express some concerns about what had just happened...


http://wayneradiotv.tumblr.com/post/168457754385/

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Did they put all the good developers on Skyrim and leave Fallout for the interns or something?

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009



haveblue posted:

Did they put all the good developers on Skyrim and leave Fallout for the interns or something?

This had nothing to do with Bethesda Game Studios (who worked on FO and TES). This is outsourced to some jokers in Dallas who are supposed to be 'vr specialists'. I think they made a couple crappy gear VR games and they also did Doom VFR and the snap map part of Doom 4.

So basically there are indie devs with more VR experience and then these devs were given 3 VR ports to do at the same time. Not too surprising they turned out terrible with seemingly all the real effort behind Skyrim.

On Terra Firma
Feb 12, 2008



EbolaIvory posted:

Dead Effect 2 VR is a better port than any of the Bethesda games so far and thats pathetic. Almost any other VR dev team would have put out a better port to be honest.

Like 100% I felt better shooting, walking, exploring in that game than any time I was in Fallout 4 so far. And this is beyond the awful control poo poo. Just in general, the feeling of the game itself.

I completely disagree. DE2 was bad enough for me to request a refund. That's the first time I've ever done that.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

On Terra Firma posted:

I completely disagree. DE2 was bad enough for me to request a refund. That's the first time I've ever done that.

At least in DE, Where I aim is where I shoot.

It also flickers less graphically

and pushing buttons in the world happens instead of having to repeat push a button over and over.



I'm not saying DE2 is a good game. But for 1/3rd the cost, its a better port. And if you were a DE2 owner, VR was like 5 bucks or something. Its just better value in general.

The only reason Fallout 4 VR isnt getting a refund from me is I bought a code from a goon. Or my rear end would be refunding this 60$ game until they get some things sorted or the community fixes yet another broken game by bethesda

The Walrus
Jul 9, 2002



fallout vr is very good fun for me, I dunno. The combat is made better in VR because it's easier and fun to peek corners solid snake style and get behind cover in roomscale. (edit: plus being able to blindfire now is awesome)

Even feels a bit more classic bethesda rpg since you never go third person in conversations.

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Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
"It has gunfights and shit!"


Lipstick Apathy

I'm just pissed because it was held up as like the first true, full triple-A VR title. The fact that they completely outsourced and half-assed it sucks, because other AAA devs that were considering taking a chance will point to this as reason not to.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009



Zero VGS posted:

I'm just pissed because it was held up as like the first true, full triple-A VR title. The fact that they completely outsourced and half-assed it sucks, because other AAA devs that were considering taking a chance will point to this as reason not to.

I've been hearing that a lot but it seems unlikely. SkyrimVR seems to be doing pretty well. It also seems like this holiday season has seen a lot more VR headsets sold (presumably PSVR the most but also plenty of PC sets on sale).

The VR genie is out of the bottle and no botched release it gonna put it back in.

If anything FO4/Doom shows how even a half assed VR refit can sell old games again. Creating AAA assets is hideously expensive and this allows you to give them another go with a hearted effort from a mobile dev. If Ubisoft isn't considering VR dlc for the new Far Cry they are crazy. Take all those many millions of dollars of fancy assets and contract someone to add VR controls and they can get another $25-50 out of people and be thanked for it.

On Terra Firma
Feb 12, 2008



Zero VGS posted:

I'm just pissed because it was held up as like the first true, full triple-A VR title. The fact that they completely outsourced and half-assed it sucks, because other AAA devs that were considering taking a chance will point to this as reason not to.

The lesson here is not to outsource the work to a lovely company. That's about it.

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?


FuzzySlippers posted:

The VR genie is out of the bottle and no botched release it gonna put it back in.

We say that here but the tech press still comes out with a "see, we told you vr was just a fad" article every week.

Less Fat Luke
May 23, 2003

Just the tip!


College Slice

After a rocky start yesterday I am loving loving FO4VR. The fixed graphics are much better, and it is immersive as all hell to me. I've started building up Sanctuary and zipping around and placing things is actually really fun in VR. My only complaint is that I'm not used to actually standing for hours on end :P

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
"It has gunfights and shit!"


Lipstick Apathy

GutBomb posted:

We say that here but the tech press still comes out with a "see, we told you vr was just a fad" article every week.

Right, I know VR can't be stopped, all I'm saying is that this low effort shovelware poo poo definitely slows it down.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Zero VGS posted:

I'm just pissed because it was held up as like the first true, full triple-A VR title.

There's a couple of possibilities for that depending on how you define "full AAA title". Elite Dangerous has supported VR since the beginning but it's a niche space grinding pseudo-MMO, same with EVE Valkyrie. Minecraft got VR support a while ago and has sold more than every other game in this post put together but it's not really what people tend to mean by "AAA". There have been a couple of big-name PS4 games that supported VR in restricted modes like Rise of the Tomb Raider and SW Battlefront.

IMO the first game that can legitimately claim to be a real AAA title developed and released with full VR support in mind is Resident Evil 7 which came out in January.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
"It has gunfights and shit!"


Lipstick Apathy

haveblue posted:


IMO the first game that can legitimately claim to be a real AAA title developed and released with full VR support in mind is Resident Evil 7 which came out in January.

Speaking of... does that mean we finally get it on PC next month?

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007



Tomb Raider got its VR patch recently, about a year after it came out on PSVR so that's a good sign. Its still on Capcom to bother updating RE7 tho

Less Fat Luke
May 23, 2003

Just the tip!


College Slice

homeless snail posted:

Tomb Raider got its VR patch recently, about a year after it came out on PSVR so that's a good sign. Its still on Capcom to bother updating RE7 tho
I think that's just a single level of the game where you explore Lara Croft's mansion.

Edit: oh nevermind, you mean for the year later benchmark.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007



Yeah just re: everyone assuming that RE7, the Tomb Raider DLC, Skyrim, and uh I think there was another one, had year long PSVR exclusivity deals.

e: Maybe Rez is what I was thinking about, but that came out a little bit before a full year idk

Seashell Salesman
Aug 4, 2005

Holy wow! That "Literally A Person" sure is a cool and good poster. He's smart and witty and he smells like a pure mountain stream. I posted in his thread and I got a FANCY NEW AVATAR!!!!

Well SUPERHOT VR is extremely intense, as advertised.

SwissCM
Apr 23, 2003

Fight the system by not tipping waiters! Not by refusing to eat out!

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sto...-12122017-en_US

$199 Mixed Reality Headsets. These aren't the best of the bunch but they're better than the PSVR and 200 bucks is insane for what you're getting.

I bought one (the Lenovo).

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
"It has gunfights and shit!"


Lipstick Apathy

SwissCM posted:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sto...-12122017-en_US

$199 Mixed Reality Headsets. These aren't the best of the bunch but they're better than the PSVR and 200 bucks is insane for what you're getting.

I bought one (the Lenovo).

Honest to god, they are poo poo even at $200, as someone who owned one of the Dell ones.

SwissCM
Apr 23, 2003

Fight the system by not tipping waiters! Not by refusing to eat out!

Zero VGS posted:

Honest to god, they are poo poo even at $200, as someone who owned one of the Dell ones.

Well they wouldn't take my credit card, then after switching that for a US friends they wouldn't take the address to a reshipper I use and pestered me to contact support so

rio
Mar 20, 2008



Zero VGS posted:

Honest to god, they are poo poo even at $200, as someone who owned one of the Dell ones.

Whatís bad about them? Iím still new to this at less than a month with my Oculus so I donít even know what they mean by mixed reality. I was thinking it might be having a camera in the headset to combine car with your surroundings (like augmented reality...these different realities are confusing) but the Vive has that and people refer to it as virtual reality.

rio fucked around with this message at Dec 13, 2017 around 08:49

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homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007



"Mixed reality" is just what Microsoft calls their headsets, no matter if they're VR or AR. These are VR HMDs.

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