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Critics claimed that the 1984 festival had resulted in the destruction of archaeological information and on the site itself, "holes had been dug in Bronze Age barrows for latrines and as bread ovens, motorcycles had been ridden over them, churning the surface. Fences had been torn down, and a thousand young trees cut down for firewood".[9] The clean-up cost upwards of £20,000, besides the archaeological information that was lost.[9] Landowners also claimed that damage to Stonehenge, other property damage, trespassing, recreational drug use and bathing naked in rivers had occurred during the festival.[3]

A civil high court injunction was consequently imposed prohibiting the proposed 1985 festival from taking place.[3]

Serotonin posted:

Police and landowners also claimed the travellers had firearms and petrol bombs, so personaly Id take what was said by them with a pinch of salt

Serotonin posted:

They pissed on coppers and stole from the dead

EmptyVessel posted:

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I thought you would not want to be tied into a corrupt organisation that has not even had its accounts signed off for about 25 years, it is so bad. Neil Kinnock was supposed to sort it out and sacked the first whistleblower!!! Do we need to say more. The Kinnocks have ripped us off via EU for decades

Angepain posted:

I'm glad that even when dealing with the serious subject of racism the Daily Mail has managed to find an excuse to lead with multiple pictures of a young woman's body parts

jabby posted:

What confuses me is that he was charged with many counts of 'possessing' an image and also a few of 'making' an image. I'm assuming making an indecent image is a more serious crime, but I didn't see anywhere that he actually took any photos himself. Are the courts using 'making an image' to mean 'copying a digital file'? In which case how do you possess a digital copy without also making it?

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Atkins v DPP is significant, in particular with respect to:

Computers with multiple users, where there is no forensic evidence as to which user accessed a site, and
Prosecutions relating to possession of material stored within automatically generated areas of the hard drive.
Forensic examination of the hard drive can usually identify what material is held within the temporary internet file, and assuming the identity of the user is known, such material may equally attract a charge of 'making' each such image without the need to prove knowledge of the automatic cache.

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If a user is demonstrated (e.g. by admission, or by proof that he has accessed the temporary internet file off-line) to have known of the existence and effect of automatic operating software, the offence of possession may arise.

In R v Porter the Court of Appeal held that an image will only be considered in possession if the defendant had custody or control of the image at that time. If at the time of possession the image is beyond his control, and not retrievable by the defendant then he will not be in possession of it.

This has implication for the use of forensic examinations if an image has been deleted, and is found in unallocated space or clusters. 'Possession' will depend on whether the defendant had the know-how and or the software to allow him to retrieve the image. Where, however, the offender admits that he downloaded the image or accessed it on the Internet then a charge of 'making' under section 1 PCA 1978 is more appropriate.

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The case of R v Harrison [2007] EWCA Crim 2976 extended the mental element for "making" to include a person who accessed an adult pornographic website knowing that the site will automatically generate "pop ups" likely to contain indecent images of children, commits the making offence each time such an image appears. If the person knows that such images accessed on screen will be automatically copied to and stored on the hard drive, he also commits the making offence when it is so copied.

awesome-express posted:

-Joins Euro as all new members are required to do so

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British man Richard Huckle has been jailed for life by a judge at the Old Bailey after admitting 71 charges of sex abuse against children in Malaysia.

The 30-year-old from Ashford, Kent, admitted the offences against victims aged between six months and 12 years, from 2006 to 2014.

He was given 22 life sentences and will serve a minimum term of 23 years.

It is believed Huckle abused up to 200 children from mainly poor communities in the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur.

Renaissance Robot posted:

If Remain doesn't win, I will leave the EU

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Now [ASK] me about how printing out a still from a video legally purchased in the UK is a criminal offence punishable by up to two years in prison! (Not really, because it's unlikely in the extreme to ever even get to trial and would be immediately thrown out if it did, but it's still a ridiculous situation where there are two different laws with completely different standards of what is "obscene" on the books)

hookerbot 5000 posted:

I watched/read something about that once but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. The main difference was the media - politicians used to be treated the way movie stars are these days, with interviewers gushing all over them and no questions more difficult than 'what tips do you have for people who want to be as amazing and brilliant as you?'. Then there was one interviewer who started the Jeremy Paxman treatment (not Jeremy Paxman obviously) and all the politicians got really confused like a sheepdog being savaged by the sheep. If anyone knows what I am talking about let me know, I think it was a video and it was pretty interesting.

Guavanaut posted:

I vaguely remember that, I think it was an Adam Curtis thing. Can you imagine if the current lot of shits were treated with such deference though? It might cause an increase in how much we trust politicians, but I can't imagine them doing anything good with it.

OwlFancier posted:

I've always been quietly pleased that my response to Dawkins being launched into fame, even as a dumb teenager, was "If you're atheist for the reasons you say you are then what is the appeal of a book that exists primarily to validate your opinion?"

OwlFancier posted:

Do you have an online reference for that section? I have a feeling I'd disagree with it but I should probably read it before I do.

OwlFancier posted:

Why on earth are people terrified of loving Muslims? There's loads of them in the country, you'd know if they were a public hazard.

OwlFancier posted:

Sadiq Khan or Trump?

Because I don't think Khan should self destruct that's not going to help his case.

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What was so striking though was the prime minister's efforts to appeal directly to voters, urging them "not to sit it out", not to miss this "vital moment" that could "alter the country's destiny".

In other words, if you're not that bothered, please, please listen to me, and please, please turn out to vote, or else the enthusiastic Brexiteers who'll rush to the polls might just win the day.

One Remain source admitted to me they were starting to panic about the result, joining several senior figures who in recent days have told me they are seriously worried about voters who are notionally on their side staying at home.

Zephro posted:

You can get pigeons to believe all sorts of wacky poo poo* with a Skinner box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uPmeWiFTIw


*You can get them to make associations that aren't in fact true. If you have a box that releases some seed on a 20 second timer (say) and the pigeon happens to be turning left when that happens, it will try to turn left again to get the seeds to come out. IIRC a box that releases seeds somewhat unpredictably (eg 20 seconds +/- 5) the effect can get even stronger. You can call that "superstition" or not but it seems like it's in the same general ballpark.

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An experimenter puts 5 monkeys in a large cage. High up at the top of the cage, well beyond the reach of the monkeys, is a bunch of bananas. Underneath the bananas is a ladder.

The monkeys immediately spot the bananas and one begins to climb the ladder. As he does, however, the experimenter sprays him with a stream of cold water. Then, he proceeds to spray each of the other monkeys.

The monkey on the ladder scrambles off. And all 5 sit for a time on the floor, wet, cold, and bewildered. Soon, though, the temptation of the bananas is too great, and another monkey begins to climb the ladder. Again, the experimenter sprays the ambitious monkey with cold water and all the other monkeys as well. When a third monkey tries to climb the ladder, the other monkeys, wanting to avoid the cold spray, pull him off the ladder and beat him.

Now one monkey is removed and a new monkey is introduced to the cage. Spotting the bananas, he naively begins to climb the ladder. The other monkeys pull him off and beat him.

Here’s where it gets interesting. The experimenter removes a second one of the original monkeys from the cage and replaces him with a new monkey. Again, the new monkey begins to climb the ladder and, again, the other monkeys pull him off and beat him – including the monkey who had never been sprayed.

By the end of the experiment, none of the original monkeys were left and yet, despite none of them ever experiencing the cold, wet, spray, they had all learned never to try and go for the bananas.

Fans posted:

It's possibly a bastardization of a real experiment by G Stephenson in 1966 where they were blasted with air if they touched an object. Though in that experiment the monkeys never actually beat each other and while one pair did make faces to stop a new monkey touching the object, others didn't care and some even touched it just to show how little of a poo poo they gave about the air blasts so it was pretty inconclusive as experiments go.

So in this case the monkeys are fine.

Edit: In 1966 three monkeys work together to try claim a banana hung from the ceiling in what can only be described as some kind of Pyramid Scheme.

Ludicro posted:

Regarding the whole Sports Direct thing, I'm not surprised one bit by all the information thats coming out. Back in 2003 I got a job at a Donnay outlet which was one of the brand names operated by Sports Direct (or Sports Soccer as it was called then), and I've got some real horror stories of that place if anyone wanted to hear them.

Cerv posted:

a better conspiracy theory would be that she's genuinely still a Leaver, but using this as a way to get that '£350k per week / NHS' stuff in the headlines for a few more days because it benefits Leave to have it repeated even if it's bollocks.

Tesseraction posted:

That would be the end of all the major political parties, though.

Guavanaut posted:

Pissflaps posted:

Don't blame me I didn't mistake the invite to the Sikh temple for a fancy dress party.

Renfield posted:

Jesus loving Christ...

Chris Greyling on QuestionTime is paraphrasing the 14 words

Zsa Zsa Gabor posted:

Some random guy yelled at me on the bus that I should learn how to speak proper English. Bet I know what he'll be voting for...

Can't wait until this whole Brexit crap is over, at least after the results I'll know whether I should start planning to go back in the the next 1/2 years.

Cerv posted:

do you actually believe that there's some great blackmail, and not just the mundane reason stated at the time & expanded on their in the article?

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The news comes after it was revealed that Umunna, who is the Labour MP for Streatham, is a member of a private and exclusive boys club behind the Bank of England called the M Den.

He has a special key to a secret entrance and keeps a cognac locker at the club, which sells bottles for anything between £300 and £4,000.

On the opening night of its restaurant, Chuka's personal friend Tinie Tempah played a 90-minute set.

And he even has a bar named after him. The Chuka bar opened in April with a glamorous ceremony in which horses were photographed inside, being ridden by Britain's top professional polo players.

Umunna was photographed that night surrounded by women at the club, which calls itself a 'boys playground' and exhibits a £10,000 pop art picture of a topless woman leaning over a snooker table by American photographer Miles Aldridge.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I just don't get the level of disconnect involved in people thinking Gove is good at... anything. He's not independently wealthy, he's in the positions he's in (MP, Justice Secretary, and now leader of (one of the) Leave campaign(s)) because lots of people think he's the best person for that job. How?

goddamnedtwisto posted:

My god it's all so clear now...


This seems considerably less likely than him having a picture of the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland putting his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig.

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He is brilliant and erudite, doing an almost impossible job and doing it with passion and commitment.

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Mr Gove is a high-handed liberal, who sees good, state-provided education as a form of social justice. Having enjoyed a poor start in life—he was given up for adoption as the newborn baby of an unknown mother—he is messianic in his regard for education’s transformative power, especially among the poor.
...
Most of his reforms are done and the spadework of implementation, it is said, holds little delight for such a restless intellect.

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Gove's intelligence will make him a very different justice secretary to Grayling

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Michael Gove, brilliant but unloved, plays the game of thrones
...
Mr Gove is one of the most intellectually interesting people in British politics; agree or not, his thoughts on everything from sovereignty and the modern nation state to radical Islam and the nature of redemption are impossible to ignore.
They are complicated, too.

Pesky Splinter posted:

Gove - Tory Messiah and intellectual.
That's some level of delusion his admirers have. what the gently caress?

Pesmerga posted:

It's the anti-intellectualism of the whole thing that really bothers me.

Guavanaut posted:

Why are they continuously pushing immigration though? Is it really the easiest go-to to avoid talking about workers' rights or the failings of late capitalism?

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But he added that Spain views Gibraltar as Spanish regardless of what happens in next week's referendum, according to Spanish newspapers.

The PM is expected to visit Gibraltar to urge the 23,000 UK citizens entitled to vote to back remain.

Speaking on Spanish National Radio, Mr Rajoy said: "The government does not like Mr Cameron travelling to Gibraltar."

He added that "what is being debated is that the United Kingdom remain in the EU or leave the EU and the campaign should happen in the United Kingdom and not in Gibraltar".

Gibraltar is a self-governing British overseas territory so if the UK leaves the EU, Gibraltar - which is 2.2 square miles and stands on the Spanish side of the mouth of the Mediterranean - leaves too.

Opinion polls suggest UK citizens in Gibraltar will vote to remain in the EU, amid concerns its border with Spain would be closed if Britain left.

Currently, Gibraltar is covered by EU rules governing the single market, specifically the free movement of people.

In March, Spain's foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo told Spanish radio Spain would demand control of Gibraltar the "very next day" after a British exit from the EU, according to the Gibraltar Chronicle.

In May, Gibraltar's first minister Fabian Picardo told Sky News: "If Gibraltar wanted to have access to the single market and the rights we enjoy today of free movement, we would have to once again consider joint sovereignty with Spain, which no one in Gibraltar is prepared to consider."

baka kaba posted:

More heartfelt statements

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Jayda Fransen, deputy leader of Britain First, said the party was “looking into the reports right now”.

“We were extremely shocked to see these reports and we are keen to confirm them, because of course at the moment it is hearsay,” she said. “This has just been bought to our attention. This is absolutely not the kind of behaviour towards non-Muslims that we would condone”

down with this sort of thing

Zephro posted:

MPs aren't "sacrosanct" any more than anyone else. You can't randomly try to murder MPs in the streets but funnily enough you can't do that to anyone else either. Christ.

Shakespearean Beef posted:

Also, not forgetting that Corbynistas have been the most aggressive political force the UK has seen since the IRA.

Rakosi posted:

What's the difference between murder and assassination?

Private Speech posted:

But ... how come the other person wasn't shot? And it's not like a lot of people go around carrying guns and knives just in case.

Jose posted:

improvised fire arm is usually a replica that has been modified to fire bullets right?