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Peanut President posted:Roman only has 3 moves which is somehow less than John Cena. It seems the less moves you had = better than in Vince's eyes so I can't wait for a guy who wins every match by just posing. Eh, he's added the powerbomb and splash mountain into his repertoire recently which is good to squish scrub tier flippy dudes like Rollins or Styles.
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Austin only knows the Stunner and punching what a lovely wrestler.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:11
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LOL I stopped reading that long-rear end post on the first page when he implied Dean Ambrose's offense looks more impactful than Roman's. Holy poo poo.
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Chris Masters was ahead of his time. Man this just proves it! He did one move they loved him, he came back with more moves and they shitcanned him.
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PoO3 posted:People who keep harping about how handsome he is or how he has "the look" well , uh really? What about him is attractive or appealing? To me Roman Reigns has the opposite of the look and is actually pretty disgusting and the female friends who watch RAW occasionally with me or pop in to comment agree as well, comments i usually get are about how he's got the long nappy black hair that's always half wet and gross and a goofy goatee that make him look like he first started growing facial hair in high school. He looks like he should be in a performing in a metal video from 1993, working in a factory that manufactures sparks with his cargo utility pants. I suppose it's a caveman look or something but the appeal is just so dated to me and feels really sleazy. Whenever he does his stupid smile i just think what's up with those buck teeth caveman? Apparently he's also really self-conscious about his torso which is why the vest probably wont be going anywhere anytime soon. That's your handsome champion with "the look" lol whatta jabroni Probably getting whooshed here but the vest is there to cover a protective guard around his torso to (hopefully) help prevent him from getting another hernia. So no, it's probably never going anywhere.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:36
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Fenrir posted:Probably getting whooshed here but the vest is there to cover a protective guard around his torso to (hopefully) help prevent him from getting another hernia. So no, it's probably never going anywhere. I've seen people say that, but has that actually been officially stated anywhere? With the type of hernia he had, that doesn't really make sense. Inguinal hernias aren't up in the torso area. I think he's just wearing a girdle.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:45
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Vests are cool. If Roman ever has a Street Fight he could wear a denim vest and be even cooler
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Mystery Opponent posted:Vests are cool. If Roman ever has a Street Fight he could wear a denim vest and be even cooler i remember Scott Hall having one during his first few months in WCW and he is a cool guy.
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ThePariah posted:Austin only knows the Stunner and punching what a lovely wrestler. Unironically agreed
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RacistGuidingLight posted:I don't think there are fifteen guys and I don't think any one of the less than fifteen guys would be better suited for the top spot. Also we live on the same planet but your appraisal of Roman's talking is filtered under a lens of bitterness. He talks fine, when not given dumb lines, he could be better for sure. Brock, Cena, Seth, Dean, Owens, Jericho, Cesaro, Zayn, Styles, Big E, Kofi, Del Rio, Rusev, Harper, Neville. 15, not including NXT which has Nakamura, Balor, Joe and Aries. And that's where I think people will probably agree, I'd probably personally put Bray Wyatt, Apollo Crews, Dolph, Sheamus and even the Miz above him in terms of wrestling ability. Seth is better for the top spot, so is Dean. If Owens wasn't such an amazing heel he would be too and Cesaro certainly is given his promo ability is at least as good as Reigns and that he's a vastly superior wrestler. Zayn is with a bit of work and the second Balor gets called up he will be too. I also think Big E's up there. Were Styles not as old as he is, he'd also be better. Charisma doesn't factor into the look. Looks factor into the look. Charisma is the thing that means people want to watch you do things instead of change the channel which is what they've been doing in their droves since the Roman era began. Roman is pushed because the company thinks he's pretty, despite the fact that he is an absolute black hole of charisma. That's because they think he has "The Look." It's antiquated. They should push people based on whether the crowd actually wants to see them do poo poo.
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I think it's more WWE's unwillingness to change that has people souring over him. I mean jesus the first time he won the title from Sheamus wasn't as bad as it is now. Now, maaybe that's because of the heel work of Sheamus but it shows that there is a chance to turn it around if Vince wasn't so goddamn stubborn. They've also seemed to have learned gently caress all as to why Cena went from the most popular face they had to half the crowd souring on him just replace AJ Styles with Kurt Angle complete with 'this guy is so good guys!  ' promos and it's 2005 all over again. All of this coupled with the fact that now WWE has acquired some of the best wrestlers in the world with AJ Styles, Nakamura, Daniel Bryan, Rollins etc makes his in-ring work look average at best. Sure he can hang with all of those guys I just mentioned but it would be insane to think that Rollins vs. Nakamura for example wouldn't produce loving magic in the ring. Now if this was 2007 or some poo poo I doubt Reigns would have this uphill battle that he's in now but it is what is. I think it will get better once there's two world champions but the dude needs better booking of his character and just be a badass silent killer but what do I know I'm just a guy on the internet. 
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Brock, Cena, Seth, Dean, Owens, Jericho, Cesaro, Zayn, Styles, Big E, Kofi, Del Rio, Rusev, Harper, Neville. 15, not including NXT which has Nakamura, Balor, Joe and Aries. You consider the Miz to be a better worker than Roman Reigns 
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exploding mummy posted:You consider the Miz to be a better worker than Roman Reigns Yes. This is coloured by the fact that I'm invested in his matches and character and is likely to not be objective, which is why he's on my personal list.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:37
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*Guy botches a baseball slide so badly he destroys his leg* "This is a good wrestler."
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Serious question: what makes a good wrestler? I'd think due to the scripted nature of pro wrestling any "good" or "bad" would be up to the writers, but I see people saying this guy sucks cause he lost or that guy rules cause he beat that other dude, I already regret asking this question but I am kinda curious
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he's pretty good at being a strong guy wrestler once in a while but the character he has developed is boring and uninteresting. This isn't all his fault, but charismatic wrestlers overcome bad writing all the time (source: RAW). If his character had no tongue/had a manager and just powerbombed people everyone would be cool about it. also, The Miz is a more interesting wrestler than Reigns. That is, when he is on TV he engages me as a fan of wrestling.
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Sharzak posted:Serious question: what makes a good wrestler? I'd think due to the scripted nature of pro wrestling any "good" or "bad" would be up to the writers, but I see people saying this guy sucks cause he lost or that guy rules cause he beat that other dude, I already regret asking this question but I am kinda curious (height)+(look)/(amount of moves)+(microphone skills)
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StarkRavingMad posted:I've seen people say that, but has that actually been officially stated anywhere? With the type of hernia he had, that doesn't really make sense. Inguinal hernias aren't up in the torso area. Well, it IS a girdle. It's pretty big and covers drat near everything from his upper stomach to upper groin. I always figured the hernia issue was why he wears it.
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Sharzak posted:Serious question: what makes a good wrestler? I'd think due to the scripted nature of pro wrestling any "good" or "bad" would be up to the writers, but I see people saying this guy sucks cause he lost or that guy rules cause he beat that other dude, I already regret asking this question but I am kinda curious There is no answer for what makes a wrestler good, because it is all completely subjective.
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Great White Hope posted:There is no answer for what makes a wrestler good, because it is all completely subjective. I mean while it's true that a wrestlers skills in the ring doesn't necessarily make a good or bad wrestler, but there is a difference between a good and bad worker. Roman isn't a bad worker, but I don't think he is a dude who can work with anyone. AJ to me is a dude who can work with literally anyone. At the end of the day though what makes a good wrestler really comes down to if they are over or not. If a wrestler is given all the opportunity and they still aren't over it might be time to reconsider.
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Fenrir posted:Well, it IS a girdle. It's pretty big and covers drat near everything from his upper stomach to upper groin. I always figured the hernia issue was why he wears it. Maybe he's got a poochy tummy
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Sharzak posted:Serious question: what makes a good wrestler? There are several different things, which make a good wrestler, and no one really has ALL of them. You've got: - Move set - Ring talent - Athleticism - Technical skill - Match psychology - Mic skills - Personal charisma - Ability to interact well with other wrestlers - Ability to cut a promo You don't have to be able to do ALL of these things at a top level. If anyone finds the guy who actually CAN do all those at a top level, we've pretty much found the holy grail. More realistically you'll find a guy who can do a few extremely well and don't have any horribly glaring weaknesses. Let's take Stone Cold for example. He's often revered as one of the best in the business - and he was! His move set was limited. His ring talent was good but couldn't be used as much after his body started to disintegrate before our eyes. He was never that athletic, but he had technical skill and understood his limitations. He was a divine talent at match psychology. His mic skills and charisma were among the best the business has ever seen. He interacted well enough with other talent, would at least sometimes put others over, and could cut a loving promo like no one's business. So let's take another guy who is very different. AJ Styles. His move set is only limited by his opponents. Ring talent is arguably the top 5 of an entire generation. Good athleticism, was great when he was younger but he's loving 38 now. Supreme technical skill, drat good match psychology. Not that great on the mic. Has charisma but often exercises it in a non-verbal way. Great body language. He can interact with almost anyone, and took that last match with Roman Reigns into nearly 5-star heights. He can't promo very well... but at this point who cares. Alright, so those are two VERY GOOD wrestlers, now let's take a look at Roman Reigns. His move set is limited. Ring talent varies depending on his opponent and how big they are. It's telling when he can open up a bigger moveset against the smaller AJ Styles after a year of struggling against bigger wrestlers like Sheamus, Brock, Bray Wyatt and HHH. His technical skill is mediocre and his move set tends to avoid that as much as possible. Yes, I do like his spear. A lot. That said, it's the only move he consistently performs at a high level. Match psychology is something he's grown at over time, and it's a reason that his frequent rest spots aren't so bad. He's very good at producing a timely comeback and matching up with the big move. Now here's the real downer. His mic skills are a tire fire, and he has no charisma with the booking he's been given. The silent badass role fit so much better than anything they have him say anymore. He can't promo at all. That said, he does interact very well with other wrestlers and that's why he's produced some great matches over the last two years - but it only happens when the other guy is a huge talent. There are some stinkers. Styles carried him to an amazing match but people like AJ don't come along every ol' day.
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What makes a good wrestler is if you want to see them wrestle. The crowd has unabashedly said for over a year they don't want Roman and he has not changed their minds. He is a bad wrestler for this reason.
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Jun 1, 2016 23:28
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exploding mummy posted:You consider the Miz to be a better worker than Roman Reigns the only thing Roman is better than the miz at is putting people over and that's simply by standing in the ring with them. Miz has to remind the crowd to hate him from time to time
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Jun 1, 2016 23:34
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shiksa posted:Maybe he's got a poochy tummy If so then he's really let himself go. This pic isn't more than a year or so old:  His arm/hand is in the way but you can still see clear definition there.
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Brock, Cena, Seth, Dean, Owens, Jericho, Cesaro, Zayn, Styles, Big E, Kofi, Del Rio, Rusev, Harper, Neville. 15, not including NXT which has Nakamura, Balor, Joe and Aries. Don't count, yes, no, no, sure, no, yes, yes, yes, no, no, the gently caress?, no, no and I can't for the life of me remember a Neville match when it is not in progress so maybe? Aries, sure, I'm done talking to you.
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This post pretty much shows my point. Fenrir says Roman struggled hard with Sheamus/Brock and big guys like them, but if you ask me he got one of the most hardcore anti-Roman cities to eat out of his hand against Sheamus, had arguably the best singles match since Brock's return (with the only other contenders being matches with two top stars in Cena and Punk, while Brock/Taker and Brock/HHH all were pretty bad) and managed to do it with the major disadvantage of formulaic repetitive Suplex City Brock, and had one of the best singles match of Big Show's entire career, all in 2015. A good wrestler can be made to look like garbage if they are pushed to accentuate their weaknesses, like when TNA had AJ Styles be a fake Ric Flair, which sucked because really just imagine AJ Styles trying to cut a Ric Flair promo and being followed by the actual Ric Flair cutting a promo. WWE has it in their heads that people liked Roman for pretty much every reason except the ones people liked him for, and during the short periods where Roman is allowed to be the Roman Reigns people liked, he's tended to get positive reactions.
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Yorkshire Tea posted:
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All of Roman's best moments have been in tag matches where he had other people to help keep the crowd into the match, and most of them have been because of his hella sweet spear. Roman should do that more.
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Charisma is defined as looking as much like Sid as possible.
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Great White Hope posted:This post pretty much shows my point. Fenrir says Roman struggled hard with Sheamus/Brock and big guys like them, but if you ask me he got one of the most hardcore anti-Roman cities to eat out of his hand against Sheamus, had arguably the best singles match since Brock's return (with the only other contenders being matches with two top stars in Cena and Punk, while Brock/Taker and Brock/HHH all were pretty bad) and managed to do it with the major disadvantage of formulaic repetitive Suplex City Brock, and had one of the best singles match of Big Show's entire career, all in 2015. Well, when I mentioned bigger opponents I specifically said it was only in reference to Roman's move set. He can't do power moves against big guys like he did against AJ. He couldn't put HHH into that cool rear end powerbomb, because HHH probably has 50 pounds on AJ. Stuff like that. His ring chemistry still worked with all of them - Roman has very good ring chemistry.
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Roman's charisma is kind of strange because if I like, try to look at it "objectively", even putting his matches on mute and all that, I think he's actually really good at showing fire when doing a comeback, at using his facials when selling, and his ring presence in general. Like, better than most of the babyface side of the roster at those things, even. It's just that the crowd does not want to buy that poo poo at all.
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Alain Post posted:Roman's charisma is kind of strange because if I like, try to look at it "objectively", even putting his matches on mute and all that, I think he's actually really good at showing fire when doing a comeback, at using his facials when selling, and his ring presence in general. Like, better than most of the babyface side of the roster at those things, even. It's just that the crowd does not want to buy that poo poo at all. Roman's look of hope when he finally managed to actually hurt Brock after getting tiny glancing blows that caused little wounds all match was my favorite moment of Roman's career, and words cannot say describe how sad I am that that moment meant absolutely nothing.
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Roman is actually good at that poo poo in the ring. He conveys emotion a lot better with facial expression and body language than I think he'll ever be capable of on the mic. And he's great at doing this mid-match while he fires up his comeback. Hell, I even almost get hype for Roman's comebacks because they always seem so well executed. I don't like the booking but what he does well, he does quite well. His groggy shift back to reality after the styles clash on the chair a couple weeks ago was perfect. I don't like the fact that he kicked out of two styles clashes and won with a single spear, but that's not on Roman, that's booking. Roman did a fantastic job. I mean, let's give the guy some credit. If he just slept on that match, even AJ wouldn't have been able to save it. They had excellent ring chemistry, and put on multiple awesome matches. Roman can loving work in the ring. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Every positive on Roman really makes it sound like WWE should put him back in a tag team. He is the perfect tag team wrestler.
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The_Rob posted:Every positive on Roman really makes it sound like WWE should put him back in a tag team. He is the perfect tag team wrestler. I agree.
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Great White Hope posted:Roman's look of hope when he finally managed to actually hurt Brock after getting tiny glancing blows that caused little wounds all match was my favorite moment of Roman's career, and words cannot say describe how sad I am that that moment meant absolutely nothing. roman stuck his tongue out when he hit that powerbomb on AJ and you cant teach that
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Vince McMahon will tell you what makes a good WWE® Superstar™ He'll do so by having your favorite Attitude Era Superstars and indie darlings tell you how cool and good Roman Reigns is in a promo. Mercury Crusader fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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The_Rob posted:Every positive on Roman really makes it sound like WWE should put him back in a tag team. He is the perfect tag team wrestler. isn't that what Cass is now? a big mussle partner with a guy who can speck for him. and it funny since both of them are products of the WWE performance center and people love them so i don't buy the fact people hate on roman because he is not a indie guy.
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