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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Welcome earthlings to the Awful Book of the Month!
In this thread, we choose one work of literature absolute crap and read/discuss it over a month. If you have any suggestions of books, choose something that will be appreciated by many people, and has many avenues of discussion. We'd also appreciate if it were a work of literature complete drivel that is easily located from a local library or book shop, as opposed to ordering something second hand off the internet and missing out on a week's worth of reading. Better yet, books available on e-readers.

Resources:

Project Gutenberg - http://www.gutenberg.org

- A database of over 17000 books available online. If you can suggest books from here, that'd be the best.

SparkNotes - http://www.sparknotes.com/

- A very helpful Cliffnotes-esque site, but much better, in my opinion. If you happen to come in late and need to catch-up, you can get great character/chapter/plot summaries here.

:siren: For recommendations on future material, suggestions on how to improve the club, or just a general rant, feel free to PM me. :siren:

Past Books of the Month

[for BOTM before 2014, refer to archives]

2014:
January: Ursula K. LeGuin - The Left Hand of Darkness
February: Mikhail Bulgalov - Master & Margarita
March: Richard P. Feynman -- Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!
April: James Joyce -- Dubliners
May: Gabriel Garcia Marquez -- 100 Years of Solitude
June: Howard Zinn -- A People's History of the United States
July: Mary Renault -- The Last of the Wine
August: Barbara Tuchtman -- The Guns of August
September: Jane Austen -- Pride and Prejudice
October: Roger Zelazny -- A Night in the Lonesome October
November: John Gardner -- Grendel
December: Christopher Moore -- The Stupidest Angel

2015:
January: Italo Calvino -- Invisible Cities
February: Karl Ove Knausgaard -- My Struggle: Book 1.
March: Knut Hamsun -- Hunger
April: Liu Cixin -- 三体 ( The Three-Body Problem)
May: John Steinbeck -- Cannery Row
June: Truman Capote -- In Cold Blood
(Hiatus)
August: Ta-Nehisi Coates -- Between the World and Me
September: Wilkie Collins -- The Moonstone
October:Seth Dickinson -- The Traitor Baru Cormorant
November:Svetlana Alexievich -- Voices from Chernobyl
December: Michael Chabon -- Gentlemen of the Road

2016:
January: Three Men in a Boat (To say nothing of the Dog!) by Jerome K. Jerome
February:The March Up Country (The Anabasis) of Xenophon
March: The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco
April: Plain Tales from the Hills by Rudyard Kipling
May: Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima


Current:
The Vegetarian by Han Kang


quote:


Yeong-hye and her husband are ordinary people. He is an office worker with moderate ambitions and mild manners; she is an uninspired but dutiful wife. The acceptable flatline of their marriage is interrupted when Yeong-hye, seeking a more 'plant-like' existence, decides to become a vegetarian, prompted by grotesque recurring nightmares. In South Korea, where vegetarianism is almost unheard-of and societal mores are strictly obeyed, Yeong-hye's decision is a shocking act of subversion. Her passive rebellion manifests in ever more bizarre and frightening forms, leading her bland husband to self-justified acts of sexual sadism. His cruelties drive her towards attempted suicide and hospitalisation. She unknowingly captivates her sister's husband, a video artist. She becomes the focus of his increasingly erotic and unhinged artworks, while spiralling further and further into her fantasies of abandoning her fleshly prison and becoming - impossibly, ecstatically - a tree. Fraught, disturbing and beautiful, The Vegetarian is a novel about modern day South Korea, but also a novel about shame, desire and our faltering attempts to understand others, from one imprisoned body to another.


quote:


Last August, Anne Rice posted a call to arms — on Facebook, of course — warning that political correctness was going to bring on literary end times: banned books, destroyed authors, “a new era of censorship.” “We must stand up for fiction as a place where transgressive behavior and ideas can be explored,” she proclaimed. “I think we have to be willing to stand up for the despised.” I, a fan of transgressive literature, could not pinpoint why I found her post to be so much more vexing than the usual battle cries of P.C.-paranoiacs. I finally had my answer after reading Han Kang’s novel “The Vegetarian”: What if “the despised” can stand up on their own?

All the trigger warnings on earth cannot prepare a reader for the traumas of this Korean author’s translated debut in the Anglophone world. At first, you might eye the title and scan the first innocuous sentence — “Before my wife turned vegetarian, I thought of her as completely unremarkable in every way” — and think that the biggest risk here might be converting to vegetarianism. (I myself converted, again; we’ll see if it lasts.) But there is no end to the horrors that rattle in and out of this ferocious, magnificently death-affirming novel.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/books/review/the-vegetarian-by-han-kang.html


About the Author

quote:

Han Kang (Hangul: 한강; born November 27, 1970) is a South Korean writer.[1] She won the Man Booker International Prize for fiction in 2016 for The Vegetarian, a novel which deals with a woman’s decision to stop eating meat and its devastating consequences.[2] The novel is also the first of her books to be translated into English.

Pacing

Just read, then post.

References and Further Reading

I don't really know enough about this author to suggest, but I'm hoping other folks can chip in.

Final Note:

If you have any suggestions to change, improve or assess the book club generally, please PM or email me -- i.e., keep it out of this thread -- at least until into the last five days of the month, just so we don't derail discussion of the current book with meta-discussion. I do want to hear new ideas though, seriously, so please do actually PM or email me or whatever, or if you can't do either of those things, just hold that thought till the last five days of the month before posting it in this thread. Thanks, and I hope everyone enjoys the book!

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
Next month is going to be Lud in the Mist because it did well in the last poll, is respectably intelligent, is accessible, and is free -- I want to make sure we keep the BotM relatively accessible. I don't want to just do the same thing every month even if the "same thing" is "high-quality modern realistic lit fiction".

That said I'll definitely add both of those to the next poll (which will be at the end of July).

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jun 28, 2016

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Rand Brittain posted:

Arguably Lud-in-the-Mist is about elf wizards triumphing over the patriarchy. Sort of.

Give it a chance folks, that's all I ask :P It's ok if y'all hate it. Please save comments on Lud for when I get the thread up though if we can, shouldn't be long.

edit: ludthread is up.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jul 1, 2016

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

A human heart posted:

I don't think anyone should pay attention to what the author of a book called "Lord Foul's Bane" says about literature.

Minor point because I think that book sucks but technically it's a deliberate satire of the genre and the corniness of that name is intentional.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Mel Mudkiper posted:

To be blunt, do you know what they call Fantasy that has meaningful literary elements? Literature.



There is plenty of "literature" indistinguishable from "fantasy" or "scifi" if taken purely on merits of plot and themes. Blindness by Jose Saramago is my common go-to example. For a book to be sold as fantasy means the publisher has already looked at it and decided it was a certain kind of book for a certain kind of reader. I already know for a fact I am not that kind of reader and I am not interested in that kind of book.




Well, marketing isn't the definer of quality. There is *some* stuff marketed as SF that is still worth reading as "literature." Lord Dunsany springs to mind as the clear example.

Personally I wouldn't include Malazan in that category but that's just my opinion. A year or so I put extra apostrophes in the Malazan thread title and nobody noticed for months.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Modern genre is about identifying the reader more than it is about defining the text itself.

Right right -- not disagreeing at all, and I might steal your phrasing in future, that's very well put.



One quote I keep coming back to in discussions of genre and what is/isn't "literature" is from Raymond Chandler, in The Simple Art of Murder, describing the work of Dashiell Hammett:

quote:


[Hammett] demonstrated that the detective story can be important writing. The Maltese Falcon may or may not be a work of genius, but an art which is capable of it is not "by hypothesis" incapable of anything. Once a detective story can be as good as this, only the pedants will deny that it could be even better.

http://www.en.utexas.edu/amlit/amlitprivate/scans/chandlerart.html

Any genre term will, as you say, pop if you squeeze it hard enough, but the corrollary to that is that almost any genre has something in it that's worth reading. There's something in the local Barnes and Noble fantasy section that you'd profit from reading, almost certainly.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Is his article supposed to be a satire of a self-important dilettante trying to inflate his own ego in the face of crippling insecurity

Because if so, loving bravo

Didn't read it so can't say! Erickson (Malazan author) and Donaldson are like my two least favorite fantasy/sf writers. Donaldson is way too rapey for me and Erickson doesn't know when to stop putting apostrophes be'tween a'll the syll'abl'es.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jul 6, 2016

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Oh yeah I don't really disagree with that. However, every time I've read a fantasy book that people swear is great I have been left underwhelmed. I've done Tolkein, Martin, Gaiman, etc and just been kind of blah. Hell, I've even given total garbage a shot like Piers Anthony and Terry Brooks.

Honestly I have considered giving the BOTM this month a shot just for the sake of branching out. I just do not know if I want to put the time into something I may not end up enjoying or finding meaning from. I just do not think I am the kind of reader intended for that genre and I have kind of given up trying to let people prove to me that I am.



That's fair. Honestly I'm having a hard time thinking of fantasy you'd like. You seem like the literary equivalent of a pure black triple roast coffee drinker and fantasy is usually about the cream and sugar, as it were.

You *might* like Gene Wolfe but he's really, really Catholic so you might not find him appealing either. Maybe some of Lord Dunsany's short stories (the thing I always recommend is "Idle Days in the Yann", which is free with a Google search).

Hrm. I'd also suggest looking up "A Rose for Ecclesiastes" by Roger Zelazny. That's it, that's my genre lit rec for you. (Technically it's SF but Zelazny blends sf &f). Also a short story and you can probably find it with Google, so minimal investment of time / energy.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

knees of putty posted:

It's really difficult for me to agree with this. Yes, there may be some small benefit, but it's so slight that you'd be better off daydreaming. More than that there's an opportunity cost - that time spent reading that crap could be much more profitably spent elsewhere.

If you've looked at a B&N fantasy section lately, it's not all wheel of time and so forth. Usually they'll have a few older authors with some merit as well. I mean, Lovecraft for example is worth reading at least a little bit of no matter what your taste is, just because his work is such a part of the cultural zeitgeist.

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Hieronymous Alloy
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Morbid Hound

Abalieno posted:

I didn't like The Vegetarian because it was not fantasy. And I'm not immediately interested in something just because it is.

This discussion here is relevant to me, the one over there is not.

Hoookay, I don't want to shut down legitimate discussion but this is starting to sound like you're more interested in talking about Malazan than you are this book, and we have a separate thread for Malazan already. It's probably best if you take further discussion of Malazan to the Malazan thread instead of this one (feel free to start up a Donaldson thread if you want).

I mean, feel free to talk about what you want but let's try to make sure posts in this thread for this book are at least 50% or more about this book.

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