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Luigi Thirty posted:Bring back WarGames and have it between Raw and Smackdown for... something. Just bring back WarGames I find it strange that when Bischoff introduced the Elimination Chamber as having elements of Wargames, they still never used the EC that way to make it a team-based fight. They had a perfect opportunity that time The Shield vs Wyatt Family happened at an Elimination Chamber PPV, but they didn't do it.
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sticklefifer posted:I find it strange that when Bischoff introduced the Elimination Chamber as having elements of Wargames, they still never used the EC that way to make it a team-based fight. They had a perfect opportunity that time The Shield vs Wyatt Family happened at an Elimination Chamber PPV, but they didn't do it. The random nature of the pod openings make it fundamentally better suited to Free-For-Alls. You could change the rules to have people release in War Games order, but then it wouldn't be the same match really.
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I just want Halloween Havok back. Who cares about the rest.
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Sanguinia posted:The random nature of the pod openings make it fundamentally better suited to Free-For-Alls. You could change the rules to have people release in War Games order, but then it wouldn't be the same match really. You could even still do it randomly even if it were a team-based match.
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sticklefifer posted:You could even still do it randomly even if it were a team-based match. I guess, but I feel like that would come across as super contrived, like when tag teams just happen to be seperated by two or fewer numbers in the Royal Rumble. Sometimes it works, but most of the time you can't help but be like "Oh, so THIS is how it is huh?"
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Solus posted:John Cena went all bug eyed and shocked at the buried comment and I want to give him a hug and say that not all of us hate him and the champ is here. In our hearts. i'll live
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I've been working on an article where I rank every Money in the Bank winner from worst to best, factoring in their in-match performance, their run as Mr. Money in the Bank, the cash-in and the aftermath. By rewatching them and focusing on the winners, I've realized that even though they're fun spotfests, they're still kind of bullshit, empty matches. At most, one guy will get over. In the Royal Rumble, you can lose the match and still come out looking like a star by lasting to the end, lasting an hour, eliminating a bunch of guys, eliminating someone major, etc. You can't really do that in Money in the Bank. The best you can hope for is doing something cool and then immediately losing your momentum because that's how the match works. Even the winner usually doesn't get to look good, even without counting the constant losing that comes with holding the briefcase. More often then not, they do the minimal amount of in-ring work so that they can vanish for 5-10 minutes and return during the final minute when everyone's forgotten they exist. The worst offenders of this are Edge, Kennedy, Sandow and Orton. I've also noticed that the last three Money in the Bank matches have the exact same endings. A top face will be totally about to win the match only for a non-participant to show up and lay them out so someone else can win. The 2013 match even did it twice! Anyway, the absolute worst winners on the list ended up being Sandow, Kennedy and Swagger. Swagger's cash-in at least made perfect sense while going against conventions.
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Gavok posted:I've been working on an article where I rank every Money in the Bank winner from worst to best, factoring in their in-match performance, their run as Mr. Money in the Bank, the cash-in and the aftermath. By rewatching them and focusing on the winners, I've realized that even though they're fun spotfests, they're still kind of bullshit, empty matches. where's Kane his run didnt even last a day.
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It's 2016 and Zack Ryder has a new shirt.
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exploding mummy posted:where's Kane His run lasted about an hour. It was perfect.
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exploding mummy posted:where's Kane Yeah, Kane is so efficient. He should be number one.
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Shima Honnou posted:It's 2016 and Zack Ryder has a new shirt. its 2016 and zack ryder had a championship
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I find it hard to even imagine rankins for MITB winners aside from Edge being the obvious #1, Punk being the obvious #2 and it being a tossup between Bryan and Rollins for #3 and #4. Orton got a long run out of his cashin but it was pretty hit-or-miss and was only salvaged by the Great Daniel Bryan Capitualtion. Ziggler and RVD had their poo poo ruined by external forces, Cena had a great match out of it but it was not even a cuppa coffee so how do you rank that, and everyone else was a dismal failure.
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Money in the Bank is bad and should be replaced by War Games better yet, as soon as someone cashes in the briefcase, a War Games match starts edit: MITB matches should be qualifiers for War Games entrants Captain Magic fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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More like BORE games.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:its 2016 and zack ryder had a championship It's 2016, Zack Ryder has a T-Shirt and won a championship. At Wrestlemania. I'm still waiting for him to get a 1 day world title reign on Smackdown, so he can be a Grand Slam champion.
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Sanguinia posted:I find it hard to even imagine rankins for MITB winners aside from Edge being the obvious #1, Punk being the obvious #2 and it being a tossup between Bryan and Rollins for #3 and #4. Like I said, I factor in the actual performances in the MitB matches. Edge was barely in his and did little more than take a T-bone suplex off a ladder and hit a burst of spears. Fine if you want to say he was being an opportunist, but bad for selling the point of the match. With Bryan, it helped bring him to the next level in the end, but he still went through several months straight-up losing 90% of the time while Cole kept screaming about what a worthless nerd he is.
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Sanguinia posted:I find it hard to even imagine rankins for MITB winners aside from Edge being the obvious #1, Punk being the obvious #2 and it being a tossup between Bryan and Rollins for #3 and #4. Orton got a long run out of his cashin but it was pretty hit-or-miss and was only salvaged by the Great Daniel Bryan Capitualtion. Ziggler and RVD had their poo poo ruined by external forces, Cena had a great match out of it but it was not even a cuppa coffee so how do you rank that, and everyone else was a dismal failure. That was the run where Orton got pinned clean by Kofi Kingston, who was a Zack Ryder-level jobber at the time. Orton's run was pretty much utter garbage except for EC and WM matches.
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RVD's run was ruined by RVD. That's about as little of 'outside forces' as it gets.
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Great White Hope posted:RVD's run was ruined by RVD. That's about as little of 'outside forces' as it gets. Outside of booking
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Sanguinia posted:Outside of booking I'm pretty sure him getting booked for possession was why he lost it dude
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exploding mummy posted:I'm pretty sure him getting booked for possession was why he lost it dude 
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Nothing Raw can do tonight that will get me from the incredible high from last night because after 7 long and frustrating and seemingly hopeless years, the Penguins have won the Cup underneath the leadership Sidney "Hockeytron 5000" Crosby https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/742386924539678720 Also Red Dead Redemption 2 might get announced today at one of the Microsoft or Sony conferences.
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Chris James 2 posted:Hell yes to both
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Were they just like "Hey can you make Pittsburgh and San Jose plates just in case" or do they seriously knock those out in under 12 hours?
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If they use a laser cutter it's probably just a coupla hours cycle
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Endless Mike posted:Were they just like "Hey can you make Pittsburgh and San Jose plates just in case" or do they seriously knock those out in under 12 hours? Neither would surprise me.
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Last night I had a dream that Kevin Owens was my friend.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Sounds like a bad dream I was a lovely indie wrestler (in the dream) so it definitely wasn't a good one. Pretty entertaining anyway.
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Beautiful Ninja posted:It's 2016, Zack Ryder has a T-Shirt and won a championship. At Wrestlemania. In 20 years we are going to be talking about Hall of Famer Zack Ryder and what he meant to all of us.
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achillesforever6 posted:Nothing Raw can do tonight that will get me from the incredible high from last night because after 7 long and frustrating and seemingly hopeless years, the Penguins have won the Cup underneath the leadership Sidney "Hockeytron 5000" Crosby Wow, 7 whole years without winning a Stanley Cup, must have been a real nightmare. I'll just go back to California and weep now.
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Wait so we're really getting two PPVS a month? How the hell are they going to fill up a 3 hour PPV twice a month with half of the roster?
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achillesforever6 posted:Nothing Raw can do tonight that will get me from the incredible high from last night because after 7 long and frustrating and seemingly hopeless years, the Penguins have won the Cup underneath the leadership Sidney "Hockeytron 5000" Crosby oh no 7 years between championships 
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can we detour wrestlechat for a couple pages so everyone can give the pittsburgh fan poo poo for being a sore winner
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keevo posted:Wait so we're really getting two PPVS a month? How the hell are they going to fill up a 3 hour PPV twice a month with half of the roster? The current rumor is that the added PPVs will be 2-hour network specials
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Gavok posted:At most, one guy will get over. In the Royal Rumble, you can lose the match and still come out looking like a star by lasting to the end, lasting an hour, eliminating a bunch of guys, eliminating someone major, etc. You can't really do that in Money in the Bank. The best you can hope for is doing something cool and then immediately losing your momentum because that's how the match works.
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