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spare the rod, spoil the child!
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 12:44 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 14:57 |
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When I was a kid, we had one teacher that would allow you to choose a paddling in front of the class (half-hearted, it didn't hurt, it was just humiliating), push-ups, or detention. It was done in good fun. One of my classmates actually made the paddle for him with holes drilled in it so it could be swung faster. I usually chose push-ups which had to be done in front of the class. He would tailor the amount of push-ups to the student. For example, he would give me 10 or 20 but for the football players, he would do 100. For one of the guys that was well known for being very good at push-ups, he would have him do them one armed.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 14:21 |
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rule of thumb guys, lets keep it sharia there are serious and time tested rules about beating women and children lets not act uncivilized about it
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 14:50 |
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We had the frogman suit and cat o' nine tails nearly every week in our school. One gym teacher called his tawse 'the sergeant major' and he was an evil bastard. Another sadist made you roll your sleeves up so it would also hit you up your forearm. But it was a long time ago and they're all dead now gently caress them lmfao.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 15:01 |
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JiveHonky posted:It sounds really cool to write on an internet forum but "powering up and going super saiyan to bring the flying fists of berszerker fury to the faces of your tormentors once you were pushed too far" wasn't a realistic option for me when I was bullied and beat up in high school. There were gangs and drug dealers and poo poo. I remember seeing some big muscle freak senior jumping and stomping on a kids head trying, I assume, to get the candy out the pinata. People would get hosed up like that fairly regularly. I was a skinny dork with sally jesse raphael glasses, not a tough guy. Its good that some of you cats could avenge yourselfs but like I said, that wasn't my circumstance.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 16:54 |
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mostlygray posted:When I was a kid, we had one teacher that would allow you to choose a paddling in front of the class (half-hearted, it didn't hurt, it was just humiliating), push-ups, or detention. It was done in good fun. One of my classmates actually made the paddle for him with holes drilled in it so it could be swung faster. I usually chose push-ups which had to be done in front of the class. Making your victims even stronger? Bad move imo
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 17:02 |
Kiryen posted:What do you think happens when you get arrested? Lotta 5-10 year olds getting arrested during their developmental years? Huh. spacetoaster posted:Isn't that why we have cops, army people, guards, etc? We're talking about school children. Maybe if we didn't teach them that beating people who do not do what you want is acceptable we wouldn't have so much crime and selfish assholery going on when they grow up? I guess it is easier to just hit them into submission instead of teaching them why they shouldn't be doing what they are doing though. Roylicious fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 17:13 |
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JiveHonky posted:It sounds really cool to write on an internet forum but "powering up and going super saiyan to bring the flying fists of berszerker fury to the faces of your tormentors once you were pushed too far" wasn't a realistic option for me when I was bullied and beat up in high school. There were gangs and drug dealers and poo poo. I remember seeing some big muscle freak senior jumping and stomping on a kids head trying, I assume, to get the candy out the pinata. People would get hosed up like that fairly regularly. I was a skinny dork with sally jesse raphael glasses, not a tough guy. Its good that some of you cats could avenge yourselfs but like I said, that wasn't my circumstance. Nah, man, I regret that poo poo. The only reason I could do what I did was because I was fat but also big and strong. There weren't really gangs or drug dealers because the schools I was at were on military bases or in small loving towns outside of them. I probably also got picked on and also not punished because I was an officer's kid. I had a lot of advantages there as far as fighting bullies was concerned. I hate that I hurt people.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 17:54 |
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The south and Midwest are loving shitholes lmao
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 17:57 |
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I was never spanked at school or home and now as an adult I am an arrogant, pushy jerk with a huge ego so maybe we should not be so hasty to write off paddling.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 18:06 |
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I'm ok with corporal punishment as long as kids get rum to cope. Let's be honest here, they already get sodomy and the lash often enough.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 18:25 |
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Paddling wasn't as hosed up as caning kids. That poo poo will shred the supple rear end flesh of a child.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 18:49 |
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Roylicious posted:
lol, you sound like my hippie/liberal/democrat/etc dad. He used to spout that crap in public and then was a raging maniac at home.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 19:23 |
spacetoaster posted:lol, you sound like my hippie/liberal/democrat/etc dad. He used to spout that crap in public and then was a raging maniac at home. Okay lol? Beating kids is good because your dad said it is bad but he was a nutter; brilliant argument, barrister.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 19:25 |
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argondamn posted:forgot about the time in math class where us boys were being too loud so coach took made us all go outside and paddled us one by one What a strange coincidence! The person that paddled us was also the young boys coach. HMMMMMMMM
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 19:35 |
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Roylicious posted:Okay lol? Thanks. And when did I say beating kids was good? Seriously, you're making poo poo up.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 19:40 |
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I went to a private Christian school in NY when I was in Middle School and my parents had to sign a waiver to permit corporal punishment. I got paddled once for wearing corduroys instead of chinos to school.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 19:41 |
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spacetoaster posted:Thanks. sometimes you get the gently caress and sometimes the gently caress you
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 20:39 |
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Crazyeyes posted:Paddling wasn't as hosed up as caning kids. That poo poo will shred the supple rear end flesh of a child. I don't think children ever got caned in schools
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 20:42 |
spacetoaster posted:Thanks. So you quoted me and said 'you sound just like my nutso dad' but you weren't trying to say you disagree? Because what I'm saying is 'corporal punishment is ineffective at best and at worst causes bad things.'
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 20:49 |
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Roylicious posted:So you quoted me and said 'you sound just like my nutso dad' but you weren't trying to say you disagree? Because what I'm saying is 'corporal punishment is ineffective at best and at worst causes bad things.' You got it. But I don't think you're THAT against using force against stuff. Now children, yeah ok. But you, on this very forums, were bragging about writing bot programs to spam communications on websites you don't like. *edit* You should thank whoever got you that zimmerman av. It makes your posts very noticeable. And the anime you had before was dumb.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 21:01 |
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:I don't think children ever got caned in schools they did in Germany
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 21:05 |
spacetoaster posted:But I don't think you're THAT against using force against stuff. Now children, yeah ok. But you, on this very forums, were bragging about writing bot programs to spam communications on websites you don't like. Well this thread is about corporal punishment in schools so yeah we're talking about kids. Obv force is fine sometimes I'm not a bleeding heart liberal just because I don't agree with the resident right wing nutsos. I'm just talking about in the context of raising kids or training animals, negative reinforcement has the opposite of the intended effect 99% of the time even if it is light negative reinforcement. That's not that controversial really. And that anime I had was a drawing someone did for me I liked it
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 21:06 |
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Sending too many internet messages is the equivalent to beating up small kids.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 21:08 |
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Sending a really bad internet message, however, is like beating up a really large kid, which is worse because bigger people have more body volume to hurt.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 21:10 |
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blowfish posted:they did in Germany If you're talking about this kind of caning, then no they did not: http://davidhousefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/fay_caningex_01.jpg If you're talking about garden-variety paddling but with a cane then sure that's probably still going on today
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 21:15 |
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Do It Once Right posted:Because apparently aussies and kiwis feel like the US south has its poo poo together when it comes to families and education for some reason or other. "For some reason" is there are plenty of fundies in Australia. In fact, we make it a point to import them from the other former colonies, like Australia and South Africa to the US. Creationist Ken Ham, the guy who built that Museum with Jesus riding a Dinosaur, for example.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 21:36 |
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Roylicious posted:Well this thread is about corporal punishment in schools so yeah we're talking about kids. Obv force is fine sometimes I'm not a bleeding heart liberal just because I don't agree with the resident right wing nutsos. You did that? If you're ever curious about people's av history just type the name here: https://esarahpalinonline.com/soap/?username=spacetoaster As to your claim that negative reinforcement causes the opposite effect 99% of the time? Source?
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 21:55 |
Someone else drew it for me based on a photo of mine.spacetoaster posted:As to your claim that negative reinforcement causes the opposite effect 99% of the time? Source? http://www.jstor.org/stable/1127099?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents posted:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000578940580111X posted:A matching law reinforcement model of individual differences in social aggression was developed and tested. Ten hours of interaction were observed in each of ten aggressive and ten nonaggressive sons with their mothers. Consistent with the matching law, the relative probability of maternal termination of conflict (negative reinforcement) contingent on sons' tactics in dyadic conflict during an earlier time period was significantly correlated with the relative probability of the sons' choice of those tactics during a later time period. Comparable matching relationships were found between maternal choice of conflict tactics and sons' negative reinforcement of their mothers' tactics. Significant between-group differences were found in the relative probability with which mothers and sons negatively reinforced each other's aggressive conflict tactics. http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx posted:“It’s a very controversial area even though the research is extremely telling and very clear and consistent about the negative effects on children,” says Sandra Graham-Bermann, PhD, a psychology professor and principal investigator for the Child Violence and Trauma Laboratory at the University of Michigan. “People get frustrated and hit their kids. Maybe they don’t see there are other options.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids posted:Nevertheless, some studies have been done. In one set of analyses with young children in the laboratory, time outs worked just as well as spanking for (immediate) subsequent compliance on 30 tasks assigned by the mother. Long-term compliance is decreased after spanking (Gershoff, 2002; Gershoff & Grogan-Kaylor, 2013). Idk there's really just tons of data showing that negative reinforcement doesn't teach the kid anything other than don't get caught while causing all kinds of other psychological harm. Animal training is the same way 95% of the time. Negative reinforcement just doesn't work. Roylicious fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 22:14 |
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Roylicious posted:Animal training is the same way 95% of the time. Negative reinforcement just doesn't work. anyone who has ever tried to train an animal to do anything knows this
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 22:17 |
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Roylicious posted:
So the spartans had it all wrong. Makes you think. According to my kids my methods are the worst/most damaging. I send them to the hellscape known as "outside". And I take away their tablets which seem to be some kind of life support mechanism. (and if I really want to be horrible I'll turn off the wifi)
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 22:21 |
spacetoaster posted:So the spartans had it all wrong. Makes you think. See that's fine though I'm not trying to be like 'negative reinforcement is anything that makes them mad/sad/whatever.' The stuff I linked mentioned that time outs are fine for example. It's just when people have to use pain/fear/violence as a tool to enforce their will because they can't figure out how to teach their kids what to do otherwise that's when it gets bad. Like 'do X or else, doesn't matter WHY just do it or I'll hit you.'
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 22:23 |
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spacetoaster posted:So the spartans had it all wrong. Makes you think. From the articles quoted above, there was the bit that said time-outs were just as effective short-term as rear end-whipping, without the long-term negatives. I assume that the removal of luxuries and liberties falls in the same category as time-out. So, I guess long-term it doesn't do much to change behavior as the compliance enforced by punishment erodes, but it can get you some breathing room so you don't go nuts as a parent. I survived getting booted off of the Nintendo, but I guess I also survived spankings too. I know which one I dreaded more: no Nintendo or PC. Getting praised for good work, doing good deeds without being prompted and assigned chores with even just a hug, a kiss or an "I love you," afterwards worked wonders for my behavior. My parents stopped using corporal punishment over time (never a lot to begin with though) as my father's military career took my parents away from their emotionally and physically abusive families and the weird culty Christian sect my mom grew up with. They are mega-chill these days.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 23:08 |
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Spank my rear end, teach
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 23:34 |
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I bet if more kids were spanked by their parents the less ADHD bullshit medication they'd end up being on.
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 23:36 |
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From how my mom described it corporal punishment just seemed like a way for some of the pervert teachers to get their rocks off
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# ? Jun 21, 2016 23:57 |
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My Q-Face posted:"For some reason" is there are plenty of fundies in Australia. In fact, we make it a point to import them from the other former colonies, like Australia and South Africa to the US. Dr. Ben Carson enjoys traveling to NZ and Australia to peddle his snake oil, too. The reason I stumbled on the "World's Strictest Parents" videos is because I was looking for links between the AFA (US) and New Zealand's Family First organization. That group has been waging a decade long battle against NZ's anti-smacking legislation. Which sounds adorable in a kiwi accent, but actually they want to remove barriers to parents and other adults beating the hell out of kids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTRdhGhj0q8
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 00:25 |
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vyst posted:I bet if more kids were spanked by their parents the less ADHD bullshit medication they'd end up being on. you dont even have a belly button why should we listen to you?
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 00:30 |
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Roylicious posted:Lotta 5-10 year olds getting arrested during their developmental years? No. They get arrested later - which is done by force, if necessary. The fact is, the properly constituted authority CAN use force to make people comply. There may be other problems with spanking, but kids learning that is not one of them.
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# ? Jun 22, 2016 00:38 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 14:57 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:From the articles quoted above, there was the bit that said time-outs were just as effective short-term as rear end-whipping, without the long-term negatives. I assume that the removal of luxuries and liberties falls in the same category as time-out. So, I guess long-term it doesn't do much to change behavior as the compliance enforced by punishment erodes, but it can get you some breathing room so you don't go nuts as a parent. I survived getting booted off of the Nintendo, but I guess I also survived spankings too. I know which one I dreaded more: no Nintendo or PC. Getting praised for good work, doing good deeds without being prompted and assigned chores with even just a hug, a kiss or an "I love you," afterwards worked wonders for my behavior. I took my son's tablet PC away for an entire month once. It sat on the bar the entire time. I forget exactly what he did, but it was bad (lied about something important I think). I'm pretty sure that's the worst punishment I ever did to him (he's 7). Now his older sister is another story. I'll withhold a shopping trip or movie night and you'd think I stabbed her in the chest with a steak knife.
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