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JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007

It's the arrogance of the subtext: The province of human affairs is a field best left to dilettantes' extraordinary gift for the feigning of paralysis. For saying nothing at all. For daydreams of black-tie affairs at Rideau Hall. An acceptance speech. Sustained applause.

hifi posted:

i think if you say phoenix failed at hockey then pittsburgh is right up there too with potentially selling the team

the yotes are inexplicably hanging out where they ought not

I don't much care whether Vegas succeeds or fails, but I'm interested as hell to see what kind of team they draft

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Metapod
Mar 18, 2012



If Vegas doesn't build a team around explosive high risk high reward offense and poor defense I'm going to be disappointed

pizza valentine
Sep 19, 2007


Grimey Drawer

Kyrosiris posted:

Welcome to being a "non-traditional" hockey market fan.

Thanks friend. I, for one, can't wait to cheer for my bad team while drinking with co-workers and friends and having a good time for a few hours.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".

pizza valentine posted:

Thanks friend. I, for one, can't wait to cheer for my bad team while drinking with co-workers and friends and having a good time for a few hours.

I mean more in the sense of having to deal with unending "hurr what if you folded or relocated lololol" jokes, but yeah, it's a good time other than that.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

LET'S GO PREDATORS BABY!
PREDATORS!!
PREDATORS!!!




FIRE THERRIEN


On the bright side, the Vegas team will probably still be better than the Leafs and Oilers.

Yaya
Nov 14, 2012

Preparing for Submarine-like standings


My hot take is that its possible Vegas doesn't work out but its a huge victory for the NHL to get into that market before the NBA did, because if it does work out it'll be a massive success.

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally


Contract all teams south of the 49th. They don't truly understand hockey anyway. Rebuild the league the way Gord intended.

pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007


hifi posted:

i think if you say phoenix failed at hockey then pittsburgh is right up there too with potentially selling the team

Has Pittsburgh ever been a successful hockey market without 2 of the top 5 players in the world?

Rotten Cookies
Nov 11, 2008

gosh! i like both the islanders and the rangers!!! :^)


So who's gonna be the GM/Coach for this team? Who y'all got at the top of the Craps?

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT


Dallas is a terrible city

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008


Rotten Cookies posted:

So who's gonna be the GM/Coach for this team? Who y'all got at the top of the Craps?

apparently vegas is interested in penguins assistant gm jason botteril. currently his main responsibility is managing the salary cap for the penguins iirc and he's assumed to be one of the leading candidates to replace rutherford whenever he steps down, but obviously that doesn't preclude him deciding to go "gently caress it" and go to vegas instead of waiting around

hifi
Jul 25, 2012


maloney makes a lot of sense but who knows

Stretch Marx
Apr 29, 2008

I'm ok with this.

The Las Vegas Sand People



Replace staff with a hockey stick.

Lessail
Apr 1, 2011

Life. Love. Lowry.


https://twitter.com/SinBinVegas/sta...105911131791360

I'm cool with that

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007

It's the arrogance of the subtext: The province of human affairs is a field best left to dilettantes' extraordinary gift for the feigning of paralysis. For saying nothing at all. For daydreams of black-tie affairs at Rideau Hall. An acceptance speech. Sustained applause.

they'd be sharing a name with both an AHL and OHL club; guess there's nothing wrong with that, but I figured they'd try to distinguish the brand

mentholmoose
Nov 4, 2009

YKNOW THERES ONLY ONE DIRECTION I KNOW AND THATS DRIVIN STRAIGHT TO THE NET


The Las Vegas Aces would be a better name, but, eh, Knights isn't bad.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

Let's* go Blackhawks! The Blues and Red Wings suck.

I can see Vegas succeeding the same way the Thunder have in Oklahoma City. Only game in town.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

Goal, assist, fight.

Mike_V posted:

I can see Vegas succeeding the same way the Thunder have in Oklahoma City. Only game in town.

And when the NFL and NBA come?

Stiev Awt
Mar 20, 2007



If Subban gets traded, can I join Vegas Argument Stadium?

Heaf
Jan 15, 2008

People say we suck at sports but they don't understand
It's hard to catch with holes right through your hands

JawKnee posted:

they'd be sharing a name with both an AHL and OHL club; guess there's nothing wrong with that, but I figured they'd try to distinguish the brand

There isn't an AHL team called the Knights

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007

It's the arrogance of the subtext: The province of human affairs is a field best left to dilettantes' extraordinary gift for the feigning of paralysis. For saying nothing at all. For daydreams of black-tie affairs at Rideau Hall. An acceptance speech. Sustained applause.

that'll teach me to only glance at google results

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

Could people please stop fighting the avatar war over my avatar. I really appreciate people being nice about it but I'm feeling crappier that people are wasting money because someone is an asshole than I am about the avatar in the first place.


I was gonna say there was a British Hockey team named the London Knights but apparently that one died, leaving only the Canadian London Knights.

Turdsdown Tom
Dec 16, 2011

NEVER count me out!


Lessail posted:

The team doesn't even have a drat name and you're all "likely event Vegas fails" ffs

why are you getting all emotional and weird about the new Worst Franchise in the NHL

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011


Las Vegas Knights is a decent pun

Mike Works
Feb 26, 2003


AsInHowe posted:

And when the NFL and NBA come?
They'll move to Oklahoma.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

Hey, Sid. Is it normal for the inside of your bung-hole to itch?

Kinda curious how bad the Vegas team will end up being in their first season. With the expansion rules the way they are, they're pretty much guaranteed to get a halfway decent goalie, and there might be some other teams that are willing to try to offload players that are still good but are vastly overpaid.

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!


Ginette Reno posted:

Kinda curious how bad the Vegas team will end up being in their first season. With the expansion rules the way they are, they're pretty much guaranteed to get a halfway decent goalie, and there might be some other teams that are willing to try to offload players that are still good but are vastly overpaid.

Vegas will be in a conference with Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver and Anaheim. They'll be really bad but probably end up with more points than you'd otherwise expect.

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT


Fighting is gonna rise as goons have to fill spots

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012



Mike Works posted:

They'll move to Oklahoma.

Nods in approval

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X


pseudodragon posted:

Has Pittsburgh ever been a successful hockey market without 2 of the top 5 players in the world?

As a Pens fan I really want to say "of course don't be an idiot" but truthfully it's hard to give an emphatic yes. They were broke and about to move when they got Mario, and they were broke and about to move when they got Crosby. Of course they went bankrupt WHILE THEY HAD JAGR AND SOMETIMES LEMIEUX and were still a high seed every year, and Lemieux ended up with a big stake in the team because when it filed for bankruptcy he was a major creditor from years of unpaid salary. So a lot of it was just that previous ownership was spectacularly incompetent. They were selling seats those years.

I think in Pittsburgh there's always going to be a problem where when the team is bad things will get real bad because most of the city doesn't really begin to pay attention to hockey until after football season is over, and if the Penguins are out of serious contention by then, no one but the real diehards will even give them a glance.

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause


Wrong thread

Dead Snoopy
Mar 23, 2005


Eric the Mauve posted:

As a Pens fan I really want to say "of course don't be an idiot" but truthfully it's hard to give an emphatic yes. They were broke and about to move when they got Mario, and they were broke and about to move when they got Crosby. Of course they went bankrupt WHILE THEY HAD JAGR AND SOMETIMES LEMIEUX and were still a high seed every year, and Lemieux ended up with a big stake in the team because when it filed for bankruptcy he was a major creditor from years of unpaid salary. So a lot of it was just that previous ownership was spectacularly incompetent. They were selling seats those years.

I think in Pittsburgh there's always going to be a problem where when the team is bad things will get real bad because most of the city doesn't really begin to pay attention to hockey until after football season is over, and if the Penguins are out of serious contention by then, no one but the real diehards will even give them a glance.

Don't forget that prior to Crosby, Pens hoped a new arena w/ an attached casino would do the trick & that was vote down as well

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Zo Cubs Zo!



I'll be a Vegas fan

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Zo Cubs Zo!



How long until Vegas fans are bandwagoners?

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

Hey, Sid. Is it normal for the inside of your bung-hole to itch?

Has Jagr demanded a trade to Vegas yet?

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

i'm so fuckkin pumped now arty i'm seein these big numbers next to my name it's like i outscored the guy we got traded for... whoa nasher you look like you had a rough season, you could use a vacation, i bet cally's got a lot of free time down in tampa.

An expansion draft is going to be pretty different than the last one for two reasons:
-The salary cap and floor. The new team needs to spend 55m, and competitive teams might want out of the later years of a big, long contract (i.e. Rick Nash)
-Teams are deeper than two lines now. Bottom six are no longer just "checking lines" where guys who aren't good get put, and the decline of the goon has led to more opportunity for the second/third line tweeners who were once top-six-or-bust.

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009



Zodijackylite posted:

An expansion draft is going to be pretty different than the last one for two reasons:
-The salary cap and floor. The new team needs to spend 55m, and competitive teams might want out of the later years of a big, long contract (i.e. Rick Nash)
-Teams are deeper than two lines now. Bottom six are no longer just "checking lines" where guys who aren't good get put, and the decline of the goon has led to more opportunity for the second/third line tweeners who were once top-six-or-bust.

I think I read that they need to get to at least 48 million? But it's still a good point. Also, teams have to expose certain amounts of salary too

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X


Is that really true? I think championship caliber teams have always tended to have more than six good forwards.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008


all the fans of cap strapped teams with bad contracts are going to be really disappointed when vegas picks a player who is actually decent instead of the lovely guy on a $5 million multiyear contract and on top of that causes the salary cap to stagnate or even drop as hockey related revenue is now split 31 ways instead of 30

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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



AsInHowe posted:

And when the NFL and NBA come?

NFL wants $750 million to do it, so nope.

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